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RE: Lesbian racial play bdsm - 9/29/2009 1:03:02 PM   
PeonForHer


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Status: offline 		As a white submissive with ancestry mostly from the British Isles, my problem is that I can't point to an obvious oppressor group for race play scenarios.

OK, it's not race, but it is about oppression . . . What about a Gestapo interrogation scene with yourself as an airman?  After all, though the Germans never got as far as oppressing the British populace, as such, it did give a few of our chaps a rather rough time during that awkward 39-45 period.

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RE: Lesbian racial play bdsm - 9/29/2009 1:06:10 PM   
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We can get Hengst and Horsa to work you over. Or, if you prefer us Vikings can rape and pillage and plunder you. Or, in your case you might do a role reversal with Indians or other Middle Easterners, or have an american prang your bloody kite.

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RE: Lesbian racial play bdsm - 9/29/2009 3:28:53 PM   
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RE: Lesbian racial play bdsm - 9/29/2009 3:38:51 PM   
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RE: Lesbian racial play bdsm - 9/29/2009 6:25:26 PM   
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RE: Lesbian racial play bdsm - 9/29/2009 8:51:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Anit75

Hi all,

My name is Anita and I'm a black lesbian sub interested in racial play.
I like to be dom and used a salve by a white dominant lesbian experienced in racial play.
Are there many white mistresses enjoying this fetish? Does anyone know any website on this subject?
Kisses all


This type of play has the potential for some serious repercussions. Why would one desire such play? I would be very careful when chosing someone for this. I can't help but think that one who desires this type of play truly has issues serious issues with the person's race


That's like saying everyone in Daddy/girl relationships has daddy issues.

To which... I have no comment >_>

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RE: Lesbian racial play bdsm - 9/29/2009 9:17:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Wheldrake
I'm sure this is true as far as public attitudes are concerned, but race play (or any other kind of play) being done in private only has to work for the individuals involved. Some Armenian kinksters might be too uncomfortable with their history with the Turks to want to "go there" even in role-playing, and some might be so indifferent to their ethnicity and heritage that this type of play wouldn't have any emotional impact, but in between those extremes there are probably some people who would get a submissive thrill out of having to lick the boots of a scary Turkish oppressor or a dominant thrill out of having the opportunity to take kinky revenge.


Indeed I mean to refer to scenarios where others are present and do not grok race play. I learned about the Turkish and Armenian rivalry from a domme who used to enjoy this type of play with a Turkish sub.

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I do think this premise could be hot - because it would put some additional emotional distance between myself and my tormentor, and because it would encourage her to see me as "the other" and treat me with appropriate harshness.


I agree there as well. I think race play falls amongst a type of play I call rival play. I recall that in college one of my fantasies was watching a football game with gals of a rival school, and for achieving the distance and being the other, as you describe.

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: Lesbian racial play bdsm - 9/30/2009 12:44:15 PM   
Wheldrake


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
OK, it's not race, but it is about oppression . . . What about a Gestapo interrogation scene with yourself as an airman?  After all, though the Germans never got as far as oppressing the British populace, as such, it did give a few of our chaps a rather rough time during that awkward 39-45 period.

Awkward to say the least. I suspect the Japanese might actually work a little better for this kind of thing... some of their POW camps were pretty hardcore.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
We can get Hengst and Horsa to work you over. Or, if you prefer us Vikings can rape and pillage and plunder you. Or, in your case you might do a role reversal with Indians or other Middle Easterners, or have an american prang your bloody kite.

A plundering Viking (or at least a stern Scandinavian with a bit of Viking spirit) might be perfect, although there's the same problem of extreme historical distance as with the Romans. Ultimately I think role reversal is probably the way to go, especially since I have no idea what "prang your bloody kite" means. Just to clarify, it's only my DNA that's predominantly British - I'm actually Canadian. Unfortunately, we Canadians don't have much of a history of oppression and genocide, either as perpetrators or as victims, so I have to fall back on my earlier heritage.

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Or he can just be invited to a tea party...

I thought those "tea parties" were directed more against the current U.S. government than anyone else, although I admit I haven't been paying a lot of attention. This idea did make me think that tarring and feathering in the traditional revolutionary style could make an interesting BDSM scene, though.


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RE: Lesbian racial play bdsm - 9/30/2009 4:03:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm delighted to see that a couple of people have left suggestions for me. It's always nice when others are kind enough to help come up with scenarios for my torment, abuse and degradation.
 
I'm always glad to help a fellow submale, Wheldrake, even if he is only a colonial.



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RE: Lesbian racial play bdsm - 10/1/2009 5:08:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Wheldrake
A plundering Viking (or at least a stern Scandinavian with a bit of Viking spirit) might be perfect, although there's the same problem of extreme historical distance as with the Romans.


Being the Compleat Viking Geek, there was about zero historical distance between England and the Vikings.  The reason the east of England was called "the Danelaw" was because it was under Scandinavian control and law. York today has a lovely Viking Center.

If you want a couple of great examples of the kind of dommes the Viking world might hold, you should look at Sigrid the Proud and Freydis Eiriksdatter, the sister of Leif the Lucky.

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RE: Lesbian racial play bdsm - 10/1/2009 2:30:46 PM   
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Being the Compleat Viking Geek, there was about zero historical distance between England and the Vikings.  The reason the east of England was called "the Danelaw" was because it was under Scandinavian control and law. York today has a lovely Viking Center.

Maybe I expressed that badly. I meant the historical distance between Viking times and the present - after a thousand-odd years, marauding Norsemen (or better yet, marauding Norsewomen) have lost some of their emotional impact. That doesn't preclude the possibility that it might be fun to selectively re-create the past, of course.

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ORIGINAL: Drifa
If you want a couple of great examples of the kind of dommes the Viking world might hold, you should look at Sigrid the Proud and Freydis Eiriksdatter, the sister of Leif the Lucky.

Thanks for the links! Two fascinating women... though I have to admit a clear preference for Sigrid. Freydis seems to have been rather underhanded and vicious. I'll bet spending an evening with either of them under the right circumstances would have been exciting, though.

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RE: Lesbian racial play bdsm - 10/2/2009 7:43:36 AM   
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I don't think that is necessarily true, though it is a genuine worry.
I know of one Mistress who is a 'German Officer' and her sub is a 'Jewish girl'. It caused shock horror when they first came out but once you understand that its the Domme 'German Officer' that is in fact a Jewish woman in real life then you can perhaps understand that this is only role-play and nothing more.



Otto Preminger and Werner Klemperer (german jews) often marveled at the fact that their most famous roles were that of German Prison Camp Kommandants.

They seemed to have survived that roleplay in grand style.

Sgt. Schultz


Oh I know all about it being Jewish myself! but I also know what our capabilities in war are and it doesn't stop at the Commanding Officers orders but if we role-played an English soldier torturing and raping a prisoner of war I should think we would find that much more acceptable.
We don't find the black Dom offensive and yet people tread very gingerly when it comes to black slaves because its getting too close to reality and a disturbing history that we in many ways still feel responsible for
As a Jewish woman I would not be offended by someone playing the part of the gestapo because I understand the difference between reality and fantasy. I also understand that fantasy within this kind of realm normally has nothing to do with prejudice.



I agree with allthatjaz. We are taking this all too serious. Although they were real world tragedies (the Jewish and Black Holocausts) we here are in a world of fetish and fantasy. We are not about the real world. I would not be surprised to learn that many Blacks are reluctant to admit their submissive fantasies because of the History. I do not see many black subby men on CM but I know of no reason to assume they are not out there. I say give the lady a break and let her pursue her fetish without shame.

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RE: Lesbian racial play bdsm - 10/2/2009 7:48:04 AM   
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I understand what she is saying and think it is great!

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"I like to be dom and used a salve " This is kind of unclear. What are you saying exactly?


That's cool, maybe you could explain it to us, cause I am with Kal. Not really sure what that was supposed to mean.

Oh crap! Looks like a simple typo to me.

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RE: Lesbian racial play bdsm - 10/2/2009 7:56:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Wheldrake

Thanks for the links! Two fascinating women... though I have to admit a clear preference for Sigrid. Freydis seems to have been rather underhanded and vicious. I'll bet spending an evening with either of them under the right circumstances would have been exciting, though.




Women in the scandinavian countries had the right to divorce long before the rest of the world, pretty advanced in that. Additionally, the Vikings were equal opportunity enslavers, they would enslave anyone who wasn't Vik. That's not entirely true, they sort of enslaved them as well.

Slaves, slaves, it is just raining slaves up here in Norway.

Ron (Knute Angurvadel)

Drifa, Sigrid the Proud is aka Sigrid the Haughty, right? Been a while......

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RE: Lesbian racial play bdsm - 10/2/2009 8:07:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
Women in the scandinavian countries had the right to divorce long before the rest of the world, pretty advanced in that. Additionally, the Vikings were equal opportunity enslavers, they would enslave anyone who wasn't Vik. That's not entirely true, they sort of enslaved them as well.

Slaves, slaves, it is just raining slaves up here in Norway.

Ron (Knute Angurvadel)

Drifa, Sigrid the Proud is aka Sigrid the Haughty, right? Been a while......


Sigríð stórráða Tóstadóttir, where stór is an intensifier, "great", and ráða is "determined" or even "ambitious". Stórráða is glossed by Latin superbus. I translate it as proud, because haughty has a perjorative sense in English. Sigríð was totally not into taking shit from suitors, and was quick to punish an insult, so Victorian translations give it as "haughty" because to their eyes had she been a good woman she'd have shut up and done what some man told her to.

Freydís, on the other hand, was a scary woman who totally had her husband whipped in the mental sense, and is our first recorded European mass-murderer on the North American continent. Freydís is the one who drove off attacking Indians in the Vinland outpost by ripping open her dress, flaunting her bare breasts at the attackers, and slapping an axe across them, which apparently astounded and dismayed the Indians so that they ran away. Then she had a bunch of men in her party out and out slaughtered, and when none of the men in her service would kill the five women in the expedition, Freydís took an axe to them with her own hand.

Auð in Laxdaela Saga forces her husband to wear effeminate blouses that are so low-cut that they show his nipples and makes him a laughingstock, so there's another one of those strong kinky women.



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RE: Lesbian racial play bdsm - 10/2/2009 8:15:19 PM   
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What about a Gestapo interrogation scene with yourself as an airman?  After all, though the Germans never got as far as oppressing the British populace, as such, it did give a few of our chaps a rather rough time during that awkward 39-45 period.


I had *exactly* this sort of scene planned with someone who bailed out on me before we got to do it, which is a complete pity, as I found the whole idea very hot.  I even bought on eBay a genuine 1940s battle map of France, in German.  His safeword was going to be "Normandy Beach."   Silly git.  Doesn't know what he missed.

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RE: Lesbian racial play bdsm - 10/3/2009 2:20:34 PM   
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What about a Gestapo interrogation scene with yourself as an airman?  After all, though the Germans never got as far as oppressing the British populace, as such, it did give a few of our chaps a rather rough time during that awkward 39-45 period.


I had *exactly* this sort of scene planned with someone who bailed out on me before we got to do it, which is a complete pity, as I found the whole idea very hot.  I even bought on eBay a genuine 1940s battle map of France, in German.  His safeword was going to be "Normandy Beach."   Silly git.  Doesn't know what he missed.


Sounds like maybe he had second thoughts about rushing in where angels might fear to tread! And I mean that, by the way, entirely as a compliment.

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