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RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches - 8/7/2009 12:50:42 AM

Loki45

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OK, Dude. Tell you what. I'll make you a deal. How about you pull one of those kinds of articles up from about, oh, let's say thirty years ago. You know, from a time period where domestic violence laws weren't quite as effective. Tell Me about the huge advantages that women had back then.

Non consensual physical abuse of anyone is wrong. Let's see if we can agree on that and then we can continue.

Why would I pull up an article from 30 years ago? I don't live in the past. I don't seek to punish an entire gender for what happened decades ago. Do you?

By your request for an article from 30 years ago, you appear to be saying that men must go through years of this kind of treatment because of the way things were back then. Is that correct?

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RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches - 8/7/2009 12:58:24 AM

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No. What I'm saying here is that you have a very slanted view. The gender here shouldn't be that much of an issue. Unfortunately, I tend to think that you want to make more of it than what it should be.

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RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches - 8/7/2009 1:04:26 AM

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No. What I'm saying here is that you have a very slanted view. The gender here shouldn't be that much of an issue. Unfortunately, I tend to think that you want to make more of it than what it should be.

On the contrary. What I am making is purely based on the responses I replied to. I agree with the last line of your post. However, it's in my nature to reflect back the dark and 'uncool' views others have in an effort to show them why their stance may be a bit....biased. To that end, when I see a post slanted one way just a 'bit' too far, my natural response is to slant in the equal and opposite direction.

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RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches - 8/7/2009 1:16:07 AM

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You can't have it both ways. Look back or don't.

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RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches - 8/7/2009 2:00:09 AM

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Considering what? Considering that since I have no need for female companionship or a need to 'get into a girl's pants' I don't feel I need to sugar-coat or hide my points of view?
Then it would probably surprise you to know that I actually have more female friends than male friends. Even more odd is the fact that most of my female friends A) know my views aren't of them as individuals and B) agree with most of my views.

Most folks who aren't you probably understood where I was going with that.
That said, if you state those views the same way IRL that you state them here, it would indeed surprise me. All I, or anyone else here, has to go on is the words you post, and you come across (to me), as a paranoid mysogynist who takes any and every opportunity to whine about how badly men are treated in today's society.

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This statement is something I agree with but often in a reverse context. The reaction to which is usually so severe, it would be a thread hijack to even go into it. So I shant.

You shan't? I rather believe you already have, more than once. Might as well go whole hog with it, eh?

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RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches - 8/7/2009 2:35:00 AM

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You can't have it both ways. Look back or don't.

This makes no sense. You were the one who asked that I provide an article from 30 years ago, not me. The link I posted (at another poster's request) was from 2006. That's 3 years ago. Three years vs thirty. Not even a close comparisson.

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RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches - 8/7/2009 2:52:01 AM

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Most folks who aren't you probably understood where I was going with that.
That said, if you state those views the same way IRL that you state them here, it would indeed surprise me.

Oh I know where you were 'trying' to go. And it's the same road many women before you have attempted to walk as sort of a back-door way of insulting me for my views. I know it full well, that's why I chose to respond the way I did. I recognize it for the snark that was intended. I've seen it before. I don't care what your views are on my personal/relationship choices because I made them for me, not you.

The ironic thing in all of this is that I do, in fact, hold and present the same views in public. It's why my friends have the 'endearing' name "ass" they like to call me. They of course say it with a smile as I've already informed them I very much try to be an asshole. This is from years of being the 'nice guy' and being living proof that they do finish last.

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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt
All I, or anyone else here, has to go on is the words you post, and you come across (to me), as a paranoid mysogynist who takes any and every opportunity to whine about how badly men are treated in today's society.

So women can whine about the way they're treated in today's society, but men can't? Ahh there's equality for you. Oh "only" the women have it soooo hard, right?

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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt
You shan't? I rather believe you already have, more than once. Might as well go whole hog with it, eh?

Well then, since you asked...

Your comment:

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ORIGINAL: WyldHrtWhile I don't condone the action these women took, I can understand their motivation. He's actually very lucky that they didn't do something much worse. Given the nature of humans, folks who make a habit of jerking people around by their emotions shouldn't really be surprised when one or more turn around and bite them in the ass.

...smacks of something I've long been a believer in. Unfortunately, my similar views often cause an uproar....largely because they're misinterpreted. Allow me to sum up (to minimize the hijack).

You said "given the nature of humans, folks who make it a habit of jerking people around by their emotions shouldn't really be surprised when one or more turn around and bite them in the ass."

Let's substitute some words for a moment, shall we? Let's replace the word "folks" with "women" and then you have a very common problem. There are women who make it a fun 'game' these days (or any days really) to go to clubs to dance/drink/etc taking absolutely no cash with them whatsoever with the full knowledge that men will buy their drinks. Now then, refer back to the female comedian I quoted earlier talking about men getting ready for an evening out wondering if they'll get laid while the women already know.

So then what you have is women who will go out, let multiple men buy them drinks and try their hands at winning their affection on into the night, knowing full-well ahead of time whether the guy will or won't be getting 'lucky.' These same women are usually dressed in any number of provocative ways to further enhance their appeal so they can get drunk on someone else's dime.

So now then you have a woman who's drunk, with a guy who's drunk and who's gone broke getting her that way, hoping she will become interested and affectionate and the woman is dressed....shall we say "appealingly" and yet people are suprised when rape occurs. You have a scantily clad woman, alcohol and raging hormones.

Honestly, what do you really expect?

Now then, as I've said in reply to LadyPact, I don't condone such things, nor do I say that the men have any right to do that to a girl. But, alcohol + hormones + toyed with emotions = what?

Would it not be safer for the women to buy their own drinks? To take more safety precautions? If you poke a lion, you'd expect to be attacked, right? If you taunt and lead on a drunk (and now broke) guy knowing full well you're just using him for alcohol.....do you expect a "thank you?"

If a man (or anyone) who toys with emotions (as in the OP) should reasonably expect it to "bite him in the ass" what should a girl who does this in a bar expect?

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RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches - 8/7/2009 2:52:44 AM

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It makes complete sense. Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it.

Please feel free to pull up extreme cases of reverse plights all that you want. You can not escape the truth that women in this country were abused by men for scores of years without notoriety. Domestic abuse laws have only been effective for a handful of years. Before that, people suffered and I can promise you that it was more than just the discomfort of someone who endured one instance.

The fact is that I already knew you couldn't pull an article from the time frame I suggested. That very fact is what makes your argument that women have the upper hand in such circumstances weak.

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RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches - 8/7/2009 2:55:12 AM

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It makes complete sense. Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it.

Please feel free to pull up extreme cases of reverse plights all that you want. You can not escape the truth that women in this country were abused by men for scores of years without notoriety. Domestic abuse laws have only been effective for a handful of years. Before that, people suffered and I can promise you that it was more than just the discomfort of someone who endured one instance.

The fact is that I already knew you couldn't pull an article from the time frame I suggested. That very fact is what makes your argument that women have the upper hand in such circumstances weak.

So you're saying then that you *do* believe that men should deal with the same problems women used to deal with to be 'fair,' right? You are advocating punishing this generation of men for the 'sins' of previous ones. Am I reading that correctly?

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RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches - 8/7/2009 3:00:50 AM

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No, you're not, but you're making a lovely attempt at twisting it. I'm saying that it wasn't right then and it wasn't right now. I'm saying that we, as people, should learn from our past mistakes as a society.

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RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches - 8/7/2009 3:17:40 AM

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No, you're not, but you're making a lovely attempt at twisting it. I'm saying that it wasn't right then and it wasn't right now. I'm saying that we, as people, should learn from our past mistakes as a society.

Then we appear to be in agreement, yet appear to be arguing different aspects of the same side. Why then do you suppose so many in this thread seem to think it was 'justified' that the women did this? I would suggest they have not learned from the past and instead are using the past as an excuse to justify such revenge-seeking in the present.

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RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches - 8/7/2009 3:29:52 AM

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Where in this thread did I say these actions were justified? The closest that you are going to come to that is where I said I understood the concept of revenge. I didn't say I agreed with non consensual assault by any means.

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RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches - 8/7/2009 3:34:48 AM

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Where in this thread did I say these actions were justified? The closest that you are going to come to that is where I said I understood the concept of revenge. I didn't say I agreed with non consensual assault by any means.

Please note in my post where I asked why *you* felt *some* of the replies in this thread felt these actions were justified. I did not indicate yours was among them.

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RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches - 8/7/2009 3:39:18 AM

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I think you might want to read the thread again.

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RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches - 8/7/2009 3:49:02 AM

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I think you might want to read the thread again.

I have no interest in arguing over arguing. If you don't wish to offer an answer to my question, just say so. I'm quite through with the meaningless back and forth.

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RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches - 8/7/2009 4:08:30 AM

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Does revenge for a wrongdoing justify criminal activity?

How much different is this from sanctioned public stoning or disfigurement of "unfaithful" women in some Islamic-led countries?

Why is it again people feel that homosexuals would be the ones to ruin the sanctity of marriage?

1. I had my flirtations with vengeance and the idea of revenge. It isn't really worth it, but humanity is complicated and sometimes you -need- to free yourself somehow, or whatever other expression you'd like to use. In general though, I don't think that breaking the law is an appropriate response. If I'm wronged, well, I'd -try- to be the better person and not lower my convictions or morals for a fleeting moment of joy. But there are definitely situations in life where no judge, law, or moral code would be enough to keep me from striking back. Thankfully, the list of such things is very specific and -very- short.

2. Not terribly, in my opinion. Some men and women go to extraordinary measures to punish a partner that has cheated on them. I think this is ridiculous, and is nothing more then a knee-jerk reaction stemming from a powerful surge of emotion. Faithfulness though is... well the entire thing is complicated. What is the appropriate reaction? How far is too far? Why is it okay for serious or -very- serious illegal punishment in this situation and not others? It's all a case by case thing, I feel, and while I can certainly empathize with someone who has been cheated on, I am not going to be leaping to their defence (sorry, Canadian) when they get charged for assault or destruction of property or theft or whatever else. Again though, this is probably because of my personal morals in which I'd rather forgive someone and move on with life then stew and wring my hands together.

3. I dunno. It's probably because of the whole "God created Man and Woman to be together" and that most religious texts look poorly on homosexual relationships. The perfect unity I -think- was Man and Woman, because then both would be complete (the rib thing), however that's just my take on it.

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RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches - 8/7/2009 4:14:16 AM

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I think you might want to read the thread again.

I have no interest in arguing over arguing. If you don't wish to offer an answer to my question, just say so. I'm quite through with the meaningless back and forth.

Do not blame Me if you got a false impression. The fault is your own.

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RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches - 8/7/2009 4:22:38 AM

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Do not blame Me if you got a false impression. The fault is your own.

No, I just blame you for ignoring a question in leiu of continuing to argue semantics. Whatever. I'm going to sleep.

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RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches - 8/7/2009 4:25:22 AM

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The question was already answered here in My replies on this thread.

Sleep well. We'll work on that chip on your shoulder another day.

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RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches - 8/7/2009 6:49:48 AM

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It's funny how guys are suddenly "wronged" in the justice system in this case and yet, in every other facet of life they have the societal advantage. Guess they have to have the advantage here as well.

Here's one more link for you about the "societal advantage" we men have...

http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_25898.aspx

BTW your article admits to the consent of the boy who got the girl pregnant. The enforcement of child support payments is based on the consent of the individuals involved. The boy consented to sex as stated in your article.

http://www.pay-equity.org/

Here's the link to the efforts of getting equal pay for the same job. Let's not get into the traditional hiring gap.

boi

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