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ThorsHammer -> Flogger Cleaning and Leather Care (8/25/2004 8:02:50 AM)

In a recent thread the question was raised “how to clean floggers” to remove any body fluids that might have accumulated upon them. (My search abilities are somewhat limited … can’t seem to locate that thread.)

On a recent visit to my “kink friendly leather supplier” I ask the owner that question. Here is her suggested solution. This only works on non-suede leather. She didn’t have any suggestions how to clean suede.

1. Make a bleach solution in the ratio of 1:10. (One part chlorine beach to 10 parts water.) When I make this solution, I use distilled water. The water where I live is very hard and I do not want any dissolved mineral to be left upon my leather toys.:

2. Using a lint free cloth, wipe each tail of the flogger. Be sure that you wring out the cloth so it is fairly damp but not saturated. (I purchased some very inexpensive “flour sack dish towels” at Wal-Mart for under $3.00 for a pack of 6 towels.)

3. When finished, hang the floggers in a well ventilated area to dry.

4, When dry, use another lint free cloth to wipe each tail with Neatfoots Oil. (WARNING: Be sure it is PURE Neatfoots Oil. If the label says Neatfoots Oil compound, DO NOT use. Real the label for ingredients. If has any petroleum distalents, DO NOT use. If the use directions tell you to use in a “well ventilated area” DO NOT use. Petroleum distilents will eventually dry out the leather and cause it to crack.)

5. Once again, hang to let dry in a ventilated area.

6. When dry, store.

As we all know, leather is a porous material. As a result, there is NO perfect way to sanitize it. However, according to my source, the above method is about the best that can be done.

Just as an aside …. I make much of my leather gear. I have used neatfoots oil to keep my gear soft, pliable, and in good shape. Let’s be honest, leather is not inexpensive. It makes good sense to maintain it in as good shape as possible.

Just thought I would pass on what I learned.

Donn



LadyShoshin -> RE: Flogger Cleaning and Leather Care (8/25/2004 8:38:36 AM)

A friend of mine sells a leather and vinyl cleaner. The active ingredients are allcyl-dimethyl benzy ammonium chloide 0.1% Di-isobutyl phenoxy ethoxy ethyl dimethyl benzy ammonium chloride 0.1% It disinfects, cleans & revitalizes.

Hoever, no matter what you use, if the implement breaks skin, it becomes a one sub toy, while it has never happened to me, I would give the toy to the sub to be used only on them.

I also have used a 10% alcohol solution.



Destinysskeins -> RE: Flogger Cleaning and Leather Care (8/25/2004 10:31:41 AM)

Greetings,

Just thought i'd make mention of the leather cleaner/conditioner that's worked better for me than Neatsfoot Oil (Neatsfoot will break down stitching in time). Lexol Cleaner & Conditioner - separate bottles. The Cleaner is only for use in removing general dirt, grime, mold, etc though. I've taken some old bits of leather that were moldy, stiff and brittle and had wonderful results with them using this stuff.

Well wishes



stef -> RE: Flogger Cleaning and Leather Care (8/25/2004 11:30:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyShoshin

Hoever, no matter what you use, if the implement breaks skin, it becomes a one sub toy, while it has never happened to me, I would give the toy to the sub to be used only on them.


That depends entirely upon the implement in question. If it's a rattan cane, yes. If it's a delrin rod, perhaps not. The latter can be sterilized without compromising the material.

~stef



GoddessJules -> RE: Flogger Cleaning and Leather Care (8/25/2004 12:13:41 PM)

Hello,

I've had serious questions about this. People say (or tend to be of the belief) if a toy "breaks skin" or "gets into contact with blood" . . .it is no longer safe to use on other people. While yes, we should all err on the side of caution. . .My question is: How long can a blood borne pathogen live outside of the human body? If the said toy was out of comission say, for two weeks or three. . .what are the chances that some "creepy crawly" is still alive on them? Lets keep in mind that these leather toys that we are talking about were never "sterile" to begin with. . .I'm thinking that after a certain length of time. . .you'd go back to having a "baseline" amount of "creppy crawlies" on it from say. . .when you originally bought it.

No, I'm not a microbiologist or a germ pathologist. If someone here is, I'd love to hear what they have to say.

Cheers

~Jules~



SherriA -> RE: Flogger Cleaning and Leather Care (8/25/2004 4:45:53 PM)

Depends on what the "creepy crawlie" is. Hepatitis virus, for example, can live in lousy conditions for very long periods of time. HIV, otoh, is pretty fragile and isn't likely to survive for very long outside ideal conditions.

My biggest concern (and my physician agrees) is Hep, not HIV.



stef -> RE: Flogger Cleaning and Leather Care (8/25/2004 5:04:21 PM)

While HIV has been kept viable outside the body for as long as 15 days (in a highly concentrated form while under optimum laboratory conditions), it is a very fragile virus. The CDC reports that drying the HIV virus reduces the viability of the virus between 90-99% within several hours. Exposure to hot water, soap, alcohol or bleach will kill it outright.

The larger risk comes from hepatitis. The current CDC guidelines state that HBV can maintain viability outside the body for a week or more, and HCV for up to 4 days. Soaking items in bleach for at least two minutes will kill HBV, but ten minutes or more is required to kill HCV.

~stef



LadyShoshin -> RE: Flogger Cleaning and Leather Care (8/25/2004 5:30:52 PM)

That is why it is important to know the people you are playing with. While still a sub, I was being considered by a Dom with hepatitus C, I read everything I could get my hands on. My decision to end the consideration process was because I had the distinct feeling he was looking for a free caregiver and because no matter how careful we would be, daily contact could result in my contracting Hep C. I was less worried for myself than for my grandchildren who I love dearly. I didn't want to run the unnecessary risk of exposing them knowingly to the hazard of Hep C. Would I play with someone I know has hep A,B, or C? Yes, with their own toys, I would also ensure the equipment we used would be properly cleaned & sterilized after we used it, or put a rubber barrier between the sub & the equipment. This would be RACK, risk aware kink and I would have to err on the side of caution for those using the equipment after we did.



stef -> RE: Flogger Cleaning and Leather Care (8/25/2004 5:44:52 PM)

The risk of contacting HCV is by anything other than blood-to-blood contact is miniscule. It's incredibly unlikely that normal day to day contact with a HCV infected individual would have put you at risk, but since there is no vaccine for HCV, I can understand your reservations.

~stef



MasterSnowBeard -> RE: Flogger Cleaning and Leather Care (9/17/2004 6:17:31 PM)


Thanks for all that have posted in re to cleaning of toys
and safety from STD's and AIDS
It is good knowledge to also know about the life of these virus
I am very careful about the cleaning and care of all my toys.
And this has given Me even more wisdom.
Sad that we have to be so careful these days
compared to the 60's and 70's
where the worst thing you could get was herpies...
With the treat that someone could die from AIDS virus
we all need to know about correct safety procedures.
Myself as a Dom I try to learn how to do everything safely
Before I attempt to do it with others.

Thanks for the insight and knowledge
Namaste
Larry MasterSnowBeard



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