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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) - 8/18/2009 12:16:46 PM

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And if their mistress were truly of the right mind not to break the bond between herself and her sub, she would never try to abuse them like that.

Getting a submissive to do something they do not want to isn't abuse, if you only submitted to that which you enjoy you are not submitting just doing what you like

See that's where I don't get it.. there are some things people just can't do. They can't get into the mental framework to commit an act that wholly disgusts or upsets them mentally. Now not to say I'm not one of a curious nature myself. But to say a submissive/slave isn't a true sub or slave cause they only do what turns them on is about as sensible as saying that the sky is green and apples are blue. People have limits, yes some people bend or break their own limits, but there are those who won't and likely will lose their relationships with whomever they are with if those lines are crossed.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) - 8/18/2009 12:38:39 PM

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My pleasure

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OOoo abuse, great first post by the way *giggles*

What has the right mind got to do with anything? I am totally grounded, and sound in mind and spirit, so the best pervert I can be

Wait aren't we the ones technically supposed to be grounded? *snickers* And thank you ma'am.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) - 8/19/2009 2:45:31 AM

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See that's where I don't get it.. there are some things people just can't do. They can't get into the mental framework to commit an act that wholly disgusts or upsets them mentally. Now not to say I'm not one of a curious nature myself. But to say a submissive/slave isn't a true sub or slave cause they only do what turns them on is about as sensible as saying that the sky is green and apples are blue. People have limits, yes some people bend or break their own limits, but there are those who won't and likely will lose their relationships with whomever they are with if those lines are crossed.

Ok so this is where the idea of limits come in, there are things I can't do, I tell my partner that, there is a difference imo with things you 'cant' do and things you don't really want to do.

I didn't say 'true' at all, but submit means to yield to anothers will, selective submission isnt being in a power exchange relationship, ok here is an example

Dominant: I am going to suck/lick you
Sub: yes M
Dominant: Ok now you suck/lick me
Sub: oh I dont really feel like that

You aren't submitting are you? You are just using the words, that isnt the same thing. There will be some lines for most people that should never be crossed, but if the dominant is totally limited by the sub, how can they actually be dominant.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) - 8/19/2009 8:21:23 AM

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Kregain, there's a big difference between being a submissive and expected to *only* do things you dislike, or having demands that you break your hard limits, and being willing to do something that you don't especially enjoy (but which isn't a limit) because your dominant asks/demands it of you.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) - 8/20/2009 11:31:00 AM

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hetero guys don't suck cock it's the definition!

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) - 8/20/2009 7:56:04 PM

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This is mainly to answer those who ask, why would someone, Domme or Sub, even consider this?

This is something that "sort" of came up.

A girl, who loves watching gay guys and the like, mentioned, as a joke, she would get some help, tie me up, and get some gay guy to "have his way" with me.

Now, I'm not attracted to guys at all. I'd never consider the idea. And the idea first made me grossed out, BUT

but...

Then came the thought of her actually enjoying it, watching what happens.

I was rather confused by this, because I had two conflicting thoughts.

On one hand I was turned on by the idea she could like something so "perverted".

Whilst I was horribly turned off and afraid at the idea of being raped by a guy.

(I've gotten into BDSM because I simply like to please. I have no interest in being pleased. Anything that doesn't cause real harm, that she wants to do, is what I live for. It's never the act I like. I don't really get excited over BDSM things, UNLESS she REALLY wants to do such things, then it suddenly becomes the biggest turn on.)

It's hard to really give a good answer to this kind of question.

All I could possibly think of is two scenarios were I could ever possibly be apart of this.

(1) If I really loved her, and this was VERY important to her. Not just a small idea, but something she has always wanted, and never had.

(2) I was fully forced by every means of the word. (This being the scenario where I have not yet gotten that deeply into the relationship, to love her that much.)

And when I say forced, I'm sure if they actually pried my mouth open, they had already thought about biting, and figured out a way to prevent it, be it a threat, or gag.

If I ever was forced... I know I wouldn't be trusting of her ever again, and for not having a deep relationship, I'd leave.

But unless there was some other threat, like STDs or anything else equally as bad caused by the situation, I would be too embarrassed to start legal action.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) - 8/20/2009 9:12:22 PM

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So from what everyone is saying, it really boils down to is:
1. How well you know your sub. Is he open to doing something that he would never do on his own.would it hurt him mentally, causing him to loose an essential part of his pyche.
2. How much the sub trusts you to keep him safe, for instance does he know that it wont change how you percieve him.
3. How far he has submitted to his Domme/Mistress, doing it just because you demand it of him.

Now as a Domme (wannabe), this is my conclusions so far. but they are fluid so may change in the future. talk talk and more talk, but eventually the sub will give in. Alright bad joke.. its the Sausy coming out in me.
But really listening to what your sub is saying has to be important. Isnt' everyone differant and need differant things to be content in there lives? What I'm curious about is ,,, How would you bring this up in the conversation?

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) - 8/21/2009 3:01:00 AM

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hetero guys don't suck cock it's the definition!

So when I kiss a girl it makes me a lesbian? Sorry that makes no sense, it is not the activity but the intent that forms sexuality.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) - 8/21/2009 10:37:59 PM

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My beloved Mistress spent quite a bit of time preparing me for my first experience. First she made sure that this was not a hard limit for me, then she started having me practice giving head to a dildo and then using a strap-on on me. After several months of this, she determined that I was ready to proceed to the next level. This consisted of having a male friend over who had been selected and checked out for any health concerns and I was told that this was the day! My Mistress and her friend spent the afternoon just lounging around the house while I tended to their needs as instructed. All day I thought about this new experience for me, would I hate it or would I enjoy it? Prior to this I had never even touched the cock of another man, much less thought about giving him a blow job. Finally in the evening I was instructed to approach the friend and ask if I might suck his cock, needless to say this was hugely embarrasing for me, but I did as I was told. My Mistresses friend readily agreed and he then stood up. I was then told to get on my knees before him and undo his pants and let them drop to the floor. This immediately meant that his cock was now in my face just inches from my mouth, it was a strange sensation to be in this position. My Mistress then asked if I saw anything that I liked? She then ordered me to reach out and kiss the head of his cock while I stroked it. Then I was ordered to begin in earnest and as I took his cock in to my mouth I was struck by how smooth the head was on my tongue. The Mistress then began to urge me on, to be a good subbie and do as I was told. I continued to suck and stroke his cock and it was obvious that he was enjoying the sensation as he began to moan. After several minutes he came in my mouth and the Mistress ordered me to swallow, which I did. His semen was slightly salty, but not at all objectionable. When it was over my Mistress looked at me and she had a huge smile on her face! This meant that I had pleased her and this submissive was very happy knowing that!! Did this experience turn me into a raging gay man, not at all!! I still love my Mistress and enjoy servicing her when I am allowed to. But if she directs me to give head from time to time I have absolutely no problem with that.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) - 8/22/2009 9:31:01 AM

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You know, based on what glynn012954 said, if a mistress here was curious to try this out with their sub, I can think of 1 method, that would keep the element of surprise, while making sure it's in their tolerance levels.

Start with something along the lines of chastity. After a long enough time passes, you need to get your sub in the mood. Maybe tie his hands behind his back, and a play with him.

The more turned on he is, the more he will except things he normally wouldn't. I've notice this in myself, and in others.

But make sure he does NOT cum.

If he does, this will backfire badly.

Next you bring in the other guy, while you are still playing with your sub.

Last, you will ask your sub, but give them the option to say no, at the cost of a longer chastity, also saying you wont ask him again if he chooses no.

His chances of saying yes will be based on how close he is to climax.

For a large number of unwilling guys, including myself, will find the sight, of a cock 2 inches from their face, too much to handle.

They might say yes at first, then are unable to do it.

The next idea that comes to mind is a blindfold. If your sub has it on from the start, it will help him not get a good view, and visually see it as grotesque.

If the blindfold works the first time, you could consider doing it again at a later date, but with out the blindfold.

I think this way, the mistress will be pleased with the results, and the larger percent of subs, who are unwilling, will be at least given the opportunity to say no.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) - 8/22/2009 11:53:17 AM

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I think this way, the mistress will be pleased with the results, and the larger percent of subs, who are unwilling, will be at least given the opportunity to say no.

When dinosaurs roamed the earth, I used to play at being a sub. I'm pretty straight, and even back then I warned people up front that other women are a hard limit for me. As these things go, I inevitably ran into a clown or two who thought that his charms etc. could overcome this hard limit. And so from time to time I'd hear about how I really, really, REALLY needed to do a forced bi scene. I always found it easiest to take the first opportunity to say no by walking out the door.

But that's just me.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) - 8/22/2009 12:57:50 PM

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Nothing wrong with that.

For any person that it is a hard limit, it should always be optional.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) - 8/22/2009 1:10:51 PM

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I agree with you. A guy's sexual orientation does not change because he has a sexual experience that he doesnt want or like.
In prisons, Totally straight guys will force other totally straight guys to perform oral sex. This occurs because the straight guys need sexual release, but no females are available. After prison, both the guys who got sucked and the guys who sucked them go back to having sex with women.
So whoever said that 'not sucking cock is the definition of a heterosexual male' is unaware.
A hetero male submissive can put his own feelings aside and obey and perform oral sex on another male.How that can be a hard limit is beyond me; now, swallowing cum, THAT might be a hard limit for a straight guy.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) - 2/22/2010 7:35:39 PM

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If they are totally subserviant to their Mistress, a sub, slave will do as instructed without comment, whatever their sexuality.

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If they're truly heterosexuals, then they won't do it, not no way, not no how, Period, end of discussion. Speaking for myself, if that sort of activity were attempted to be sprung on me, it just isn't going to happen AT BEST, and at worst, if it were to be a case of truly forced, and my clenched jaws were prised-apart, then the other male in question is going to need to complete the sex-change operation, since he'd be painfully missing a penis.

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heterosexuals

Yes this. my Mistress has been talking to me about doing this in possibly the near future, as it will please her. i am completely heterosexual but i will do this for her because i am obediant and want nothing else but to obey and please her.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) - 2/22/2010 11:20:51 PM

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The only thing I want my sub licking is this pretty little clit on me. But another man sucking off another man does nothing for me, so I'd find it pointless and not worth pursuing.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) - 2/22/2010 11:57:03 PM

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It baffles me why a femdom would want her malesub to suck cock. Also, why would malesubs would want to do it? Is it because they're closet gays?

The reasoning behind this seriously elludes you Peon?

Isn't it blindingly obvious? For the extreme humiliation factor, and for the malesub to demonstrate his complete obedience in an act where the only enjoyment he is assured of, is the enjoyment of his owner.

No, they're not closet gays.

The man who he sucks off could be gay- he might just be a prop. But if the malesub himself was gay, then it wouldn't be humiliating for him, and it wouldn't be an imposition. The point is for the malesub to be doing something that's outside his comfort zone, for the dom's pleasure. That wouldn't work if the malesub was gay.

It is really strange to me that all the reasoning and the psychology behind it seems so obvious to me, and yet others miss it completely. Whats up with that? Why is the simple concept of a completely heterosexually oriented male, sucking cock to be obedient, humiliated and objectified for his owner's pleasure.... Why is that so hard to grasp?

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) - 2/23/2010 1:07:06 AM

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It baffles me why a femdom would want her malesub to suck cock. Also, why would malesubs would want to do it? Is it because they're closet gays?

The reasoning behind this seriously elludes you Peon?

Psssssssssst-I think that comment might not have been entirely serious...

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) - 2/23/2010 4:29:58 AM

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Oh my. It's like it were CM thread revival days or something.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) - 2/23/2010 5:49:06 AM

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The only thing I want my sub licking is this pretty little clit on me. But another man sucking off another man does nothing for me, so I'd find it pointless and not worth pursuing.

Is there such a thing as an ugly clit, tha? I find they all generally look OK with a bit of make-up.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) - 2/23/2010 5:50:45 AM

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It baffles me why a femdom would want her malesub to suck cock. Also, why would malesubs would want to do it? Is it because they're closet gays?

The reasoning behind this seriously elludes you Peon?

Psssssssssst-I think that comment might not have been entirely serious...

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