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Our beloved Obama..... - 8/9/2009 9:23:58 AM   
gift4mistress


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Status: offline 		Lookie at what Obama is doing for AMERICA.

http://www.borgenproject.org/globalpovertyact.html

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56405

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-global-tax-proposal-up-for-senate-vote/

http://concealed.wordpress.com/2009/02/03/obamas-senate-bill-s2433-global-poverty-act/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PePbtEABzGk&feature=related

he Global Poverty Act requires the President to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day (this is all money NOT leaving America)

Does the Global Poverty Act cost money? No. The Global Poverty Act does not allocate any funding. Rush Limbaugh and other partisan talk shows are under investigation by Media Matters for knowingly reporting false information about the bill. (Bull Sh*t)

From Aim.org   "The legislation would commit the U.S. to spending 0.7 percent of gross national product on foreign aid, which amounts to a phenomenal 13-year total of $845 billion over and above what the U.S. already spends."


Do some reseach on the something that the U.N proposed called the millennium declaration.

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RE: Our beloved Obama..... - 8/9/2009 9:28:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Geee ... since the US isn't the "world's policeman" ... and should stay out of the internal workings of all other nations ... by what right do we have to take on the responsibility to "eliminate world wide poverty"?

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RE: Our beloved Obama..... - 8/9/2009 9:33:56 AM   
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We aren't the world police. It isn't our job to get rid of poverty in other nations. I mean, we as a nation started out very poor after separating from Britain. Who went in to America giving us aid? I also find it pitiful that you use a stupid pitty argument to somehow approve of OBAMA sending over 855 Billion dollars of our own money to other nations when we are in trillion's of dollars of debt. In addition, Obama promised us that he would keep MONEY in AMERICA. This man keeps lieing to the people and yet so many refuse to accept that fact. Adolf Hitler "it's better to tell a big lie to a big group of people than a small lie to a small group of people." 

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RE: Our beloved Obama..... - 8/9/2009 9:34:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		i understand your point as far as wanting to make the world a better place, and all but...."Beloved"????

i have relatives that aren't even beloved, i can't imagine referring to someone i never met in that way.  
Besides maybe the beloved in a hawt way, Michael Jordan....that i understand.

Beloved seems kind of dangerous in terms of politicians....just my humble opinion.  Respect.... maybe even admiration would suffice for me. Beloved....a bit much.

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RE: Our beloved Obama..... - 8/9/2009 9:38:34 AM   
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since the US isn't the "world's policeman" ... and should stay out of the internal workings of all other nations ... by what right do we have to take on the responsibility to "eliminate world wide poverty"?


I'm not convinced the U.S. usually pays much attention to what international rights we have. Certainly it didn't stop invasions or treaty violations.

Maybe better questions that might promote discussion rather than setting up political camps:

*Does a nation whose inhabitants define themselves primarily as Christians have a moral responsibility? Certainly the moral responsibility argument was used to "spread Democracy" by invading Iraq.

*Is addressing global poverty in our own long term best interests? After all, these would then become expanding markets. Further, economically secure people are less likely to engage in desperate terrorist actions, since the rule of law benefits (generally) those holding assets.


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RE: Our beloved Obama..... - 8/9/2009 9:41:19 AM   
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since the US isn't the "world's policeman" ... and should stay out of the internal workings of all other nations ... by what right do we have to take on the responsibility to "eliminate world wide poverty"?


I'm not convinced the U.S. usually pays much attention to what international rights we have. Certainly it didn't stop invasions or treaty violations.

Maybe better questions that might promote discussion rather than setting up political camps:

*Does a nation whose inhabitants define themselves primarily as Christians have a moral responsibility? Certainly the moral responsibility argument was used to "spread Democracy" by invading Iraq.

*Is addressing global poverty in our own long term best interests? After all, these would then become expanding markets. Further, economically secure people are less likely to engage in desperate terrorist actions, since the rule of law benefits (generally) those holding assets.




You make a valid point. However, you have to ask yourself this question. Do we as a nation have the fund and resources necessary to decrease or get rid of poverty throughout the world. Is it true that many states are becoming or are financially bankrupt? Would it be worth destroying our country for the expense of the world impoverished?


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RE: Our beloved Obama..... - 8/9/2009 9:44:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Begs the question, and adds a perfectionist fallacy.

All of these things need attention, of course. Personally--I argued we couldn't afford Iraq and Afghanistan, but we're stuck now. But even with economic woes at home, it's not realistic to pretend the rest of the world doesn't affect matters within our borders--especially economically.


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RE: Our beloved Obama..... - 8/9/2009 9:49:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Begs the question, and adds a perfectionist fallacy.

All of these things need attention, of course. Personally--I argued we couldn't afford Iraq and Afghanistan, but we're stuck now. But even with economic woes at home, it's not realistic to pretend the rest of the world doesn't affect matters within our borders--especially economically.




I agree that Iraq was a very stupid move on behalf of George Bush. And yes, to some extent we are stuck in those two countries. Which is exactly my point. We don't have the resources or money to distribute 850 billion of our own money to get rid of poverty. Thus, you are arguing the same point I am, no?

Iraq, Afghanistan, health care reform, economic recession, war on drugs, war on terrorism, and the list goes on. We are spending large sums of money that we don't have in order to instill what? Getting rid of poverty throughout the world? I also would like to point out that Terrorism is in my opinion, a small problem compared to all the other problems we are having.

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RE: Our beloved Obama..... - 8/9/2009 10:17:25 AM   
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you are arguing the same point I am, no?


No.

My costs are rising too, and I'm tightening things over here. But I still pay the electric bill.

And I still invest, both in my retirement account, and in household initiatives--my orchard, cold frames for the vegetable gardens to extend the growing season, fences and netting to keep out rabbits and birds, trellises for the berries and grapes, and so forth.

Not thousands, though. I have to look at the cost before a project, but I don't kill a project that will ultimately produce.

The exact amounts the government should spend and on what priorities can go back and forth forever. That's what governance ultimately is--making choices, none of them ever perfect.

You, though, oppose any such investment on principle. Here I disagree. I think we have no realistic choice but to address it.

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RE: Our beloved Obama..... - 8/9/2009 11:27:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: gift4mistress

Interesting that you read all the articles and watched the you-tube video in 5 minutes.


We aren't the world police. It isn't our job to get rid of poverty in other nations. I mean, we as a nation started out very poor after separating from Britain. Who went in to America giving us aid? I also find it pitiful that you use a stupid pitty argument to somehow approve of OBAMA sending over 855 Billion dollars of our own money to other nations when we are in trillion's of dollars of debt. In addition, Obama promised us that he would keep MONEY in AMERICA. This man keeps lieing to the people and yet so many refuse to accept that fact. Adolf Hitler "it's better to tell a big lie to a big group of people than a small lie to a small group of people." 

I forgive you. You are new here.

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RE: Our beloved Obama..... - 8/9/2009 11:30:53 AM   
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You, though, oppose any such investment on principle.



Investment on principles out side of this country should be conducted at the bottom of the list. What should be dealt with first is our own problems here at home and the problems that directly effect us significantly. As a result of government spending and over government production of our money, we are in a huge financial crisis and a huge economic recession. Thus, leading our very own people in to poverty.

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My costs are rising too, and I'm tightening things over here. 



The government is not tightening any spending in any way shape or form. Instead, they are continuing to spend money; in fact, they are spending even more than ever before.

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I don't kill a project that will ultimately produce



I agree that killing a project that would produce to be a dimwitted decision. However, I have two points to your argument. Number one, I don't see how spending 850 billion plus dollars of money we don't have on getting rid of world poverty is going to produce us a return. In fact, do you really believe that 850 billion dollars is going to be enough to get rid of all poverty or even a majority of it? Number two, nothing is guaranteed in life; especially, an investment. I am sure you out of all people should understand that considering that you invest.





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RE: Our beloved Obama..... - 8/9/2009 11:35:17 AM   
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I forgive you. You are new here.

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My, thank you firm hand.

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RE: Our beloved Obama..... - 8/9/2009 12:39:31 PM   
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RE: Our beloved Obama..... - 8/9/2009 2:09:08 PM   
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The government is not tightening any spending in any way shape or form.


http://www.collarchat.com/m_2750162/mpage_2/key_/tm.htm#2750579

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RE: Our beloved Obama..... - 8/9/2009 2:52:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: gift4mistress

Wait, were you being sarcastic in your first post firm? I am confused! 

I am in support of your basic position.

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RE: Our beloved Obama..... - 8/9/2009 5:00:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Where are all you pro Obama people? It seems to me that most of you have realized who he truly is, a fallacy president that is dooming this country to its extinction. He is no different then Bush or any president prior to Bush or after Roosevelt (excluding Reagen).

I have been saying this for the passed 3 years. What is happening to America is a change in direction. A possible revolution gleams in the future (this is a question not me screaming revolution)?  

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RE: Our beloved Obama..... - 8/9/2009 6:35:58 PM   
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He is no different then Bush or any president prior to Bush or after Roosevelt (excluding Reagen).


Is this the same Reagan who, in just eight years, turned the largest creditor nation in the world into the largest debtor nation in the world? The one who decided we should arm Osama bin Ladin? The one whose own economic team finally admitted trickle-down economic policy didn't work? The one who told you not to worry, just picture a shining city on a hill? That one?

Welcome to the real world. It's not as cool as the fantasy one, but you get to touch stuff.

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RE: Our beloved Obama..... - 8/9/2009 7:07:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am sorry. I shouldn't have said Reagen. That was an ignorant statement on my behalf. 

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