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ORIGINAL: Arpig
Simple, she can stand up and preach it because she believes it.

She believes it despite medical and societal evidence to the contrary.

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ORIGINAL: Arpig
The fact that her daughter chose to disregard her teachings is in noway relevant. So why the double standard.

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Simple, she can stand up and preach it because she believes it. The fact that her daughter chose to disregard her teachings is in noway relevant. Assume you are opposed to the recreational use of heroin, and  one of your kids becomes a junkie....does that mean you are some sort of hypocrite? That you should now support the recreational use of heroin? No,of course not. So why the double standard.

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This is apples and oranges. She's not just 'for abstinence,' she's for teaching it over and instead of anything else. And she has an example in her own home about why that doesn't work. You can 'suggest' abstinence and you can harp on it all you like, but if you don't teach kids the 'other ways' of preventing pregnancy when they have sex.....they won't be preventing pregnancy......they'll just be having sex.

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Her daughter is a living example of why her approach to sex education doesn't work. She (presumably) taught and preached only abstinence in her home. So when her daughter made the choice to have sex anyway (as teens often do) she didn't know about how to prevent pregnancy and viola....pregnant.

That, to me, is irrefutable proof that her way doesn't work. And that just makes her look more and more stupid.

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In her mind it's 'ok' to trot out her downs kid to win sympathy for her lies. But it's not ok during the election to question her morals based on the fact that one of her unwed teen daughters was pregnant while still in high school.

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4) As for Palin, accepting her as any kind of expert on any kind of political subject is like accepting Fred Flinstone as a factual source about prehistoric life and conditions. Yabba Dabba Doo.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Well, wait a minute. Sarah Palin has more executive experience than Obama, and I am sure she is considerably more intelligent than Obama, especially judging by the way Obama is handling the current health care debate.

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Arpig, the projections from the White House and the Congressional Budget Office ten years out predict massive spending increases for the proposals that are on the table, adding between a trillion and a half to two trillion to the deficit ten years out.

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Well, wait a minute. Sarah Palin has more executive experience than Obama, and I am sure she is considerably more intelligent than Obama, especially judging by the way Obama is handling the current health care debate.
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Arpig, the projections from the White House and the Congressional Budget Office ten years out predict massive spending increases for the proposals that are on the table, adding between a trillion and a half to two trillion to the deficit ten years out.

That's because the present proposal is for the government to assume the burden of insuring those who cannot afford to pay, while those who can afford to pay will continue to pay the insurance companies. The government assumes responsibility for the expenses without accessing any of the income. If they were to go to a single-payer system, they could charge a reasonable premium to everybody, and thus fund the insurance system. Come on people, this is not rocket science, its simple as can be, and it works.
I can't find a simple total $ amount for what is spent by individuals and employers on health insurance premiums, but I am going to assume it is around 1 trillion each year (given the numbers I could find, which were 2.4 trillion in 2007 for total health care expenditures). Now if the government needs 2.5 trillion over ten years, well they can tap into that 10 trillion+ that is not being spent on insurance premiums. As I have pointed out before, which nobody seems to notice, single-payer health insurance is an insurance plan, a very,very large group health plan. And like any other health plan,you pay premiums. This can be done directly, by having an annual fee accessed as they do in Germany, Japan, and some Canadian provinces, or it can be done indirectly through special health care taxes, as they do here in Ontario. The method of paying the premiums in no way changes the fact that the premiums are paid. And just as with private insurance, the bigger the risk pool covered by any individual plan, the cheaper the plan is and the more comprehensive the coverage offered. Like I said before, imagine a comprehensive group coverage policy with 300+ million members.

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And the CEOs of the insurance companies no longer get salaries of $11 million, $17 million and $30 million a year respectively.  Those salaries go to ..."gasp" ...health care.

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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales

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Well, wait a minute. Sarah Palin has more executive experience than Obama, and I am sure she is considerably more intelligent than Obama, especially judging by the way Obama is handling the current health care debate.
ORIGINAL: Sanity

We have just left the realm of plausible discussion and into the realm of fantasy. As for executive experience, she must have had enough because she quite the governor's office to go do who knows what, betraying the very people who voted for her. Sounds like a perfect person to listen to.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

  The conservative victim mentality.  I love it, RML.  If you are going to spout horseshit, by all means, go big.

The bigger the lie, the apt people are to believe it.

Pretty soon, black will be white, and wet will be dry.

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And the CEOs of the insurance companies no longer get salaries of $11 million, $17 million and $30 million a year respectively.  Those salaries go to ..."gasp" ...health care.

Well seeing as under a single-payer system, private health insurance is solely for supplemental coverage, the market is smaller, and I assume the overall profits are as well, so it follows that the CEOs would have their compensations adjusted accordingly, however, the profit margins are increased, since the plans are often rather expensive,and the things they cover are not the big ticket items. Supplemental health insurance under a comprehensive single-payer system is more of a luxury item than a necessity.  I can't find any numbers as to profits for health insurers in Canada (Google is not being friendly to me today), but there apparently are over 140 private health insurance companies in Canada, so there must be a decent amount of money to be made.

~ Edited because my space bar isn't working right...I need to go dig up another old keyboard.

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The problem here is, the deficit. Financially, the United States is on a runaway train headed over a cliff.  We can't pay for the social programs we have now, Social Security and Medicare are fast running out of money, and this vast new entitlement initiative will just be adding more fuel to the fire without finding any realistic kind of a way to pay for it all.

That's why I'm saying that after everyone is on Obama's single payer system, the sacrifices that will potentially have to be made in order to keep it going are dreadful to have to consider. We can't pay for the programs we have now, and so its really the wrong time to be adding any more to the problem.

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We can't pay for the programs we have now, and so its really the wrong time to be adding any more to the problem.

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Whenever Obama tries to speak without his teleprompter in front of him every other word out of his mouth is "uh" and he stupidly steps on his dick every time, and so I advise those of you who claim to support the man to do everything you can to avoid rather than generate debates revolving around, uh, general, uh, intelligence.

Uh, seriously.

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Whenever Obama tries to speak without his teleprompter in front of him every other word out of his mouth is "uh" and he stupidly steps on his dick every time, and so I advise those of you who claim to support the man to do everything you can to avoid rather than generate debates revolving around, uh, general, uh, intelligence.

Uh, seriously.

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We can't pay for the programs we have now, and so its really the wrong time to be adding any more to the problem.

Sanity, why don't you answer Arpig's entry as to the single payer system?

Also, include in the answer what you mean by "adding."