RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE".....

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NoreenSwan -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/19/2009 11:16:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer Whatever. You need a glass of wine and a little bit of tolerance.

PeonForHer -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/19/2009 11:22:20 AM)
So we think that giving is a one way street with dominant's? That all we do is take? That all we want to do is take? That kinky sex or our dominance has a price? Hey, no we don't think that. By 'we' I mean most of us - D's and s's, from what I've seen. I can't find anything to disagree with in your post. I'm with you: Say "NO" to being anal!.

NoreenSwan -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/19/2009 11:22:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NoreenSwan quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: NoreenSwan Well now, you should relax and not be so defensive about the subject of submission. if you only play a subby in bed good for you. I'm sure SmartStrongSub can handle it and doesn't really care one way or the other. Take a deep breath because he didn't jump to define you or the way you play as right or wrong. Have a glass of wine. It'll relax you and open you up and stuff like that. Such a condescending little post, where do I begin. I asked someone to clarify their post. If you have a problem with that, please by all means block me. Of course you would see it in a negative way, it's your way it seems often on here. No, I don't want to block you. I feel alright about you disagreeing with me and I am okay if you yell at me. It's not a big deal. I only concerned if I offended you and I'm sorry if this is how it is so. But I just want you to know you don't have to get defensive or feel threatened and start to come off as mad in replies. I really think you just don't like his perspective on consensual slavery and D/s relationships and that's really why you are defensive and nit picking. He really does not come across as hostile, unlike red and yours comments which seemed out of context in the level of excitement the comments reached. I'm sorry you and him couldn't understand the context his argument was couched in but I think it's clear to everyone SmartStrongSub is a respecting, intelligent poster, here in good faith and he writes in a very non-confrontational way and does not get personal. That's a good skill. But really I think everyone knows yours opinions are yours and if you don't like the practice of slavery or full time D/s relationship well then fine, that still doesn't impact someone else's reality who believes differently. And so, their opinions on how things should be, is just that, their opinion and that should have no bearing on you or what you like to do. The world is big enough to handle different strokes in folks. Don't be so defensive and threatened because someone makes a good argument that you don't agree with. He can feel his way is best as you can feel your way is the best. It doesn't matter and doesn't affect the other if they can be open and secure in their own positions and other people's differences. No need to get bitter because StrongSmartSub writes well, and represents a different kind of perspective on slavery that goes outside playing in the sheets. He does not appear to be a troll and he does not seem angry so you don't have to be so defensive and confrontational. Take a deep breath, you'll going to be okay. Allow yourself to not be threatened so easily by other people's feelings on D/s matters. If your power exchange stops in the sheets and someone takes it on a deeper level, learn to live with that. You don't want to come across as rigid and paranoid do you?

thishereboi -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/19/2009 11:25:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer Eh? Well, thanks for your observations on my psychological state, Noreen. Even if they were correct, though, I'd still be a little puzzled as to why you think they're relevant. Whatever. Getting back to the subject: In the section of SSS's post that I quoted in my last post, do you, or do you not, think he was implying that there are those who subscribe to his definition of 'slavery', while others who don't subscribe to it are merely 'playing at' slavery? I would have to agree and even when he clarifys it, it still sounds like you either do it his way or accept that your not going to get the complete experience. Now if this works for him that's great. But to say it's the only way to be, doesn't work for me. quote: ORIGINAL: SmartStrongSub If one desires to experience the mysterious joys of a bdsm Owner/slave relationship, one has to be prepared to embrace the realities of that trasfer of power and control. The more limits one places on the relationship, the less authentic and less complete the experience. The more one surrenders, the more one genuinely experiences and more fully enjoys the dynamic.

PeonForHer -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/19/2009 11:26:04 AM)
You need a glass of wine and a little bit of tolerance. Nope, what I need is someone who wants to engage in reasoning with me, Noreen, and stop trying to do amateur psychology on me. Jeez, I mark essays in politics for a living. You've got to do your trick very well indeed for it to work on me. [;)]

thishereboi -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/19/2009 11:28:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer Thishereboi, It's a standard trick. The way to 'win an argument' is to ignore what one's opponent is saying and just cast aspersions on his/her mental state instead. It's got to be done subtly, though . . . (note, Noreen!) Thanks, I wondered what exactly we were supposed to be threatened with.

OttersSwim -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/19/2009 11:39:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer Thishereboi, It's a standard trick. The way to 'win an argument' is to ignore what one's opponent is saying and just cast aspersions on his/her mental state instead. It's got to be done subtly, though . . . (note, Noreen!) Thanks, I wondered what exactly we were supposed to be threatened with. Noreen threatens you with /almostcertainsheerannoyance/...make a saving throw at +10

MistressDarling -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/19/2009 11:46:48 AM)
Seriously? What's the big deal? If a "Domme" wants tribute, let her have it. If tribute is not your thing, look the other way. For such a liberal lifestyle that we live, some of you are very closed minded. If things aren't done your way, you assume that they are wrong. Let the chick accept tributes if she wants to. But, OP, I have to tell you that it is a little tacky to brag about gifts of any nature in mixed company. There are some things a Lady should keep to herself. I also have to ask this: Did you post this thread for the sole purpose of pissing people off? If so, I think you got what you wanted. LOL!

NoreenSwan -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/19/2009 11:50:28 AM)
Good to see you chiming in too. Welcome! Stay on track. It doesn't matter what you think of me. No matter what you think of me and my motives, most people here can see there's a lot of negativity and it's not needed. A lot of people on this board like to tear people down for what they express. You can debate without getting personal.

OttersSwim -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/19/2009 12:07:23 PM)
Noreen, it's a BDSM site, not Hello Kitty Island Adventure. It may have escaped your notice, but there are more than a few sadists here. When you are running with wolves, don't be surprised if you get nipped. [;)]

NoreenSwan -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/19/2009 12:11:26 PM)
Uh, don't tell me how I feel. You're not correct. I don't feel nipped at all. Getting personal is unnecessary. Stay on track. I know you got it in you.

Arillis -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/19/2009 12:13:39 PM)
Yea, running with wolves, you knock off the alpha and take over the rest of the followers. Its kind of like the gang-like mentality of many of the posters here.

NoreenSwan -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/19/2009 12:15:36 PM)
You're giving yourself way too much credit there.

XYisInferior -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/19/2009 12:29:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer Nope, what I need is someone who wants to engage in reasoning with me, Noreen... Ironic petition, coming from the political professor who recently gestured that anyone antithetical to his beliefs can basically fuck off and swivel on it. I generally agree that rational discussion is good on these threads. And speaking of swiveling on it, the negative spin here should probably take a breather.

Starbuck09 -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/19/2009 12:31:56 PM)
Noreen in te last two pages your debating style has suffered considerably. One of the oldest and least effective methods of winning an argument is to say things such as hey don't let me get to you, woah you sound bitter, e.t.c. e.t.c. ad nausem. People disagreeing with what smartstrong sub is saying is fair enough and as far as I can see every one of his arguments has been answered, whether you agree with the rebuttals or not is of course up to you. however your own reaction to people's counter arguments to his reflects that where rational debate and logic has failed you, attempting to rile people has been instated. You say it does'nt matter what people think of you? Fair enough. Then do not commit dreadful hypocrisy by continuing to post what you think of others rather than come up with actual arguments.

NoreenSwan -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/19/2009 4:13:26 PM)
Your lousy attempt at diminishing my posts has failed. Nice try though. Regardless, my points were made and heard whether you like it or not. Thanks for the advice on how to debate according to you. Truthfully your response to my arguments are pure drivel and more irrelevant than the original drivel by the posters you're defending.

Starbuck09 -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/19/2009 4:21:53 PM)
Hey Noreen don't let me get to you. Your personal bitterness is clouding your judgement. See what I mean? In the last two pages you have'nt made arguments you've just insulted people and attempted to upset and rile them in lieu of rational discourse. Notice as well that in your reply Noreen you failed to adress a single point I made. But never mind when you are ruled by your own inadequacies it is always easier to judge others [despite saying you should not be judged yourself].

NoreenSwan -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/19/2009 4:23:15 PM)
I'm not bitter.

Starbuck09 -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/19/2009 4:24:44 PM)
Of course you are not unlike those you hurl the term at. I'm sure you are simply misunderstood by all the ignorant masses that don't recognise yor brilliance. Don't judge other noreen lest you be judged yourself...and found wanting.

NoreenSwan -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/19/2009 4:27:37 PM)
This is thinly veiled troll baiting. All you do is repeat illogical arguments and personally attack ad nauseum instead of responding with reason and logic. Trollish.

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