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Venatrix -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/28/2009 10:18:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ElanSubdued

PeonForHer,

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LadyHibiscus:
I am deeply relieved to know that it's all Peon's fault after all.

PeonForHer:
At last!  773 posts, but we got to the nub of the issue in the end.


You're to blame for all of this!  Gender inequality, woe begotten dommes, etc.  What power you hold and wield! 


I don't know about power; I tend to think of Peon more as the Typhoid Mary of the BDSM world.



PeonForHer -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/29/2009 1:25:49 AM)

 
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ORIGINAL: Venatrix
I tend to think


Yes you do, and well done indeed, V!  I've carefully recorded the dates when it's happened, so let no scoundrel challenge it. 



Starbuck09 -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/29/2009 1:55:49 AM)

Morning Venatrix it was a good evening, though Bruno wasn't as great as i'd hoped though his peace mission between Israel and Palastine was well worth the price alone! Also my iceblast gambit worked perfectly  and I finally manged to enjoy my own[;)]. I understand what you're saying and I completely agree with you, the only reason I made my last post was to demonstarte that I don't hate or fear women.
Tiggresse there is nothing wrong with a dominant wanting complete power over their submissive if that is what both parties want. I have no problem with any aspect of B.D.S.M. [not that I enjoy it all] as long as both parties agree and enjoy the parameters of their relaonship. What I am arguing against is that those who do not want to give up total power are in some wy cheap or their own predilections for a relationship in the B.D.S.M. community are somehow inferior to those who do have total power exchange. When I sleep with transexuals I do not think my sex life is better than those who do not want to. I do not view myself as superior in my life or experiences. It is simply what I alone desire to do and B.D.S.M. relationships are no different. I do not want to be a slave nor do  want to give up total control. I am a switch and I like the same from those that are submissive towards me, I do not want total control of them. That does not make my relationships any less rich. One of the best litmus tests for this is that I am happy with my relationships. I do not complain about the men and women that I date with because I have a great fulflling time with my partners.
Akasha there is no anger or protesting in my posts I am simply debating a point one that you disagree with. Disagreeing with your thinking does not make me angry. If you have interpreted any ofmy posts in that way then quote th offendng passage and I will do my best to phrase it in different terms. As for who drives women who want money and tribute I disagree that it is men who fuel it, I believe it is  a two way thing as it always is between the needsad desires of bot genders. Regardless of who drives it my own personal feelings toward the practice should not and are not determined by anything other than how I alone feel.



Starbuck09 -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/29/2009 2:01:45 AM)

Allright Peon i'm in complete agreement with you here old boy[;)] Plus I still think regardless of your attitude you'd get even more  prospective partners if you simply changed your avatar to the one with your abs out. Flaunt it Peon flaunt the fuck out of it!



PeonForHer -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/29/2009 2:31:26 AM)

Thank you, but less of the 'old', matey. [;)]  I'm glad your date went well, despite Bruno not being all that you'd hoped.

By the way, re my attitude: it's worth noting that whenever I take the p out of a domme on this forum, I get a sudden increase in friendly cmails from dommes.  Tut.  Things just don't work the way they're meant to work, do they?



PeonForHer -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/29/2009 3:50:21 AM)

Cheers to you Mr. Peon, :-)
 
And to you, Mr Elan. 




Starbuck09 -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/29/2009 6:49:30 AM)

Noreen drawing the conclusion that because I disagree with you on this issue that I cannot handle or somehow dislike ''strong, opinionated and smart women..'' is not only deeply offensive to me but the female partners that I take. You appear to imply from this logic that smart, strong and opinionated women are defined by this issue which is a further insult to women in general. The woman I took out last nigt is from Poland. She studied architecture in Naples [becoming fluent in Italian along the way] She then moved to England whereupon she became a landscape gardener [having become fluent in English to a degree most native speakers cannot emulate]. She is also an anarchist and her political views are anaethma to mine, we are politically diametrically opposed. However that is what makes our time together so fun because we can debate different sides of an argument without hurling abuse at one another because we disagree. She is intelligent, passionate, well informed and very strong willed and we get along famously. She also is quite content with the fact that people will often stop and simply stare at her in the street as her appearace is so striking.



Venatrix -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/29/2009 7:27:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

By the way, re my attitude: it's worth noting that whenever I take the p out of a domme on this forum, I get a sudden increase in friendly cmails from dommes.  Tut.  Things just don't work the way they're meant to work, do they?


Ah, yes, Peon.  Insulting your target audience is such a successful dating strategy.  You've had exactly how much BDSM experience again?  If I'm following your posts correctly, I believe it still stands at zero.  Well, just in case any of the other men who read your posts think of following your advice, let me say that I wouldn't take you on as a sub if you were the last man on earth and I had no hands left with which to masturbate. 

Please do carry on with your strategy of telling dominant women to "sit and twirl on it," as I believe you once so charmingly said in a post; I'm sure we'll all look forward to hearing of your continuing success with the ladies.



XYisInferior -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/29/2009 8:35:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ElanSubdued

You're to blame for all of this!  Gender inequality, woe begotten dommes, etc.  What power you hold and wield!  I now proclaim you the anti-sub!  (Well, gee... the "not a sub" card is seemingly soon ready for play once more. 


It's not really a "not a sub" argument, but it seems more like a question of experience or motive, and logically so.

I think it's pretty obvious by reading these threads who gets it and who doesn't. That may sound like "one true wayism," but it's really not. The ideas behind tributing or repeatedly giving to a dominant Woman you adore aren't hard to figure out.



PeonForHer -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/29/2009 10:56:21 AM)

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Well, just in case any of the other men who read your posts think of following your advice, let me say that I wouldn't take you on as a sub if you were the last man on earth and I had no hands left with which to masturbate.


Noted and accepted.

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Please do carry on with your strategy of telling dominant women to "sit and twirl on it


My remark wasn't directed at 'everyone who disagrees with me' (as Inferior cast it), nor every femdom (as you cast it), nor even every 'tribute domme'.  It was a shout of defiance at the idea that demanding tribute is part-and-parcel of the way that D/s has to be done.  It was a defence of the way I conduct my relationships, not an attack on the way others conduct theirs. 



PeonForHer -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/29/2009 10:58:41 AM)

She is also an anarchist and her political views are anaethma to mine, we are politically diametrically opposed.

What?  Are you a goosestepper, Starbuck?!



Venatrix -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/29/2009 11:38:14 AM)

Peon, my point was that bragging about taking the piss out of dominant women is not likely to make you an attractive partner to a dominant woman, no matter how many friendly e-mails they may send you.  I just can't imagine one of us wanting to own a sub with a track record of rudeness to the very segment of society he claims to want a relationship with.   



PeonForHer -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/29/2009 12:00:40 PM)

OK V.  I'm sure I shall remember your comments about rudeness, and bad behaviour generally, on this thread and elsewhere.





ElanSubdued -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/29/2009 12:07:11 PM)

Venatrix and Peon,

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Venatrix:
I don't know about power; I tend to think of Peon more as the Typhoid Mary of the BDSM world.

PeonForHer:
Yes you do, and well done indeed, V!  I've carefully recorded the dates when it's happened, so let no scoundrel challenge it.


I've only recently become aware of the tryst between you two.  Flirting and romance as prelude to the fall season... how perfectly lovely. :-)

Elan.



ElanSubdued -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/29/2009 12:08:45 PM)

Shakti,

Oops! :-)  Usually I proofread, but yesterday I was multi-tasking (typing in between other, concurrent tasks) so I posted sans checking.  I missed two, significant errors in my previous post, as follows:

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ElanSubdued:
I wasn't speaking from the point of view of apologists (white or otherwise), but rather from a broader, sociological view.  Indeed though, you're likely correct that statistically the gender hiring pendulum is still biased.


I missed a word:  "indeed though, you're likely correct that statistically the gender hiring pendulum is still biased *binarily*."


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ElanSubdued:
Examine second and first world countries and the playing field becomes very different.  Certainly, I'll admit, I'm speaking from the perspective of one who lives in a privileged country - a country where individual freedoms and gender equality are respected and constantly under review.


I meant:  "examine second and *third* world countries and the playing field becomes very different."


Sorry if these errors caused confusion.

Elan.



Venatrix -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/29/2009 12:41:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ElanSubdued

Venatrix and Peon,

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Venatrix:
I don't know about power; I tend to think of Peon more as the Typhoid Mary of the BDSM world.

PeonForHer:
Yes you do, and well done indeed, V!  I've carefully recorded the dates when it's happened, so let no scoundrel challenge it.


I've only recently become aware of the tryst between you two.  Flirting and romance as prelude to the fall season... how perfectly lovely. :-)

Elan.



Elan, you know I mean this in the nicest possible way, but . . . fuck off.



PeonForHer -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/29/2009 1:46:22 PM)

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OneMoreWaste -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/29/2009 8:25:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha
What is more telling is that you can tell a sub, for example, "For the first romantic date, when you pick me up, you need to be wearing a butt plug" and he's a-ok with that. You say, "You need to arrive with my favorite bottle of wine" and suddenly you are a pay-for-play femdom and that's not ok.  They gladly accept any "command" if it is one that arouses them, but if it pleases the lady and costs them a few bucks, she's a fake.


Depends. If there isn't *anything* she would like the sub to do for her that doesn't involve him spending money, well... then I donno. Seems like there must be some common ground between "tell me to do something overtly sexual" and "buy me something". [&:]

Honestly, the seemingly irreconcilable gulf between "If you want money you're a fake Domme" and "If you won't give me money you're a fake sub" really makes the whole Femdom/malesub thing seem so maladaptive. It's gotta be a cosmic/higher power joke, there's just no other explanation.



cloudboy -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/29/2009 8:39:23 PM)

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"If you won't give me money you're a fake sub"


Even though women on this thread are defending this, my sense is that's not how they are in person with actual people. I've been reading this board for a few years, and pretty much no one has this attitude, but for some odd reason the ladies seem to be defending it here --- mainly as a right -- but not as an actual practice in their own relationships.

The elephant in the room is actually whether a man and woman click, and there's much more to this than money and BDSM. Those are just sub components.



cloudboy -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/29/2009 9:11:34 PM)

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Men who claim to be "submissive" to women and think that feminism and D/S don't mix are...funny, yes. Kind of the way that a carton of sour cream that has been in the back of the fridge for three thousand years might get a little...funny.


First of all, feminism is a pretty amorphous term, but one way of looking at it is to treat the sexes equally. So, how exactly can you reconcile equality with female supremacy, tributes, and D/S?

Yes you can argue that BDSM is about personal choices and self determination -- and that these are components of feminism --- but ironically this was the point Sea argued and made and you dismissed it.

Frankly, I think you use "feminism" as a bludgeon to put men on the defensive when in fact the subject matter (BDSM) is more about personal choices and individual ethics. (How one person should tread another.) That's why your use of it has struck me as largely funny on this thread. You seem to be arguing that ideological concerns should govern individual decision-making.

One last point. If women wrote that some men are wife beaters and abusive -- this is nothing more than an accurate fact. Its not right of me to try and characterize the women who point this out as "bashing men." I think your posting is very guilty of making this mistake.

As stated earlier -- sure guys are intimidated by Cadillac subs and the women who cherish them -- and in some cases they overreact -- but on balance the guys posting here have been even handed IMO. The basic laws of economics and scarcity mean that only about 2 out of 8 guys have that kind of income anyway. So, they need something else to pin their hopes on other than big bank account generosity.

P.S. I know TM thinks generosity comes in many forms -- and a positive reading of her OP is to model that form of giving as best as one can.




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