Which came first; Deceit or Ego

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cpK69 -> Which came first; Deceit or Ego (8/16/2009 4:36:46 PM)
I’ve been wondering, does ego cause deceit, or does deceit cause ego to lie? Six of one, half dozen of the other? Perhaps it can’t be answered? Kim

angelikaJ -> RE: Which came first; Deceit or Ego (8/16/2009 5:04:31 PM)
I think fear often causes deceit.

cpK69 -> RE: Which came first; Deceit or Ego (8/16/2009 5:10:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ I think fear often causes deceit. I agree. Being an emotion, fear stems from ego; therefore, in the case of fear, ego causes deceit. Would that be accurate? Adding; hard to know when our feelings start to hurt us. Kim

DarkSteven -> RE: Which came first; Deceit or Ego (8/16/2009 7:05:56 PM)
Why do you say that ego cause deceit? IMO, deceit is caused by people of poor character trying to instantly fool others rather than trying to fix their issues.

Musicmystery -> RE: Which came first; Deceit or Ego (8/16/2009 7:24:29 PM)
Why would ego cause deceit? "I'm so great I don't need to lie" for example. Deceit comes from insecurity with the truth--however the person acts.

shadowowl -> RE: Which came first; Deceit or Ego (8/16/2009 7:29:22 PM)
aninmals have no real ego but they do have deciet from my understanding. or maybe they do have ego I don't know lol. but monkeys will steal and hide what they stole not from ego but because they dont' want to get caught. do they not want to get caught cause of ego? possible but i don't see the connection :P

cpK69 -> RE: Which came first; Deceit or Ego (8/16/2009 7:52:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven Why do you say that ego cause deceit? IMO, deceit is caused by people of poor character trying to instantly fool others rather than trying to fix their issues. I agree with what, MM, said. I am wondering when it starts in an individual; from the beginning, or along the way? Kim

Arpig -> RE: Which came first; Deceit or Ego (8/16/2009 8:19:01 PM)
Life is an illusion, illusion is deceit, therefore life causes deceit.

cpK69 -> RE: Which came first; Deceit or Ego (8/16/2009 8:21:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig Life is an illusion, illusion is deceit, therefore life causes deceit. I can agree it is all 'just someone's dream', but an illusion? I'm not understanding how that works. (that was toward life) I have to think on the part about deceit. I believe it is similar to the effects of a piece of art, or 'magic'. Kim

chiaThePet -> RE: Which came first; Deceit or Ego (8/16/2009 8:22:19 PM)
De chair causes deceit. What? chia* (the pet)

cpK69 -> RE: Which came first; Deceit or Ego (8/16/2009 8:24:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chiaThePet De chair causes deceit. What? chia* (the pet) ... or pushing.. giggles

lovingpet -> RE: Which came first; Deceit or Ego (8/16/2009 8:30:15 PM)
Take this for whatever it is. Fear is NOT an emotion. It is a primal instinct. When a person realizes there is a "right" and "wrong" (the function of ego to make those distinctions for us), those things within the person that do not fall into the category of "right" result in stress. If this stress is of great magnitude, it activates the primal instinct of fear and an ego defense initiates. That defense usually takes the form of some wall, mask, or other protective construct to conceal the "flaw". Now ego must continue to protect those defense and that can result in deceit. I would say ego. lovingpet

ShaharThorne -> RE: Which came first; Deceit or Ego (8/16/2009 8:37:15 PM)
It is a nasty little circle: deceit chasing ego, ego chasing deceit. There is not begining and there is no ending. Thank Madoff, Enron and AIG...shuts mouth before getting too political

Arpig -> RE: Which came first; Deceit or Ego (8/16/2009 8:41:03 PM)
quote: I can agree it is all 'just someone's dream', but an illusion? I believe Gautama said it, and for no reason I can pin down, tonight it rings true to me...All life is an illusion, nothing is real.

LadyPact -> RE: Which came first; Deceit or Ego (8/16/2009 10:42:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Why would ego cause deceit? "I'm so great I don't need to lie" for example. Deceit comes from insecurity with the truth--however the person acts. Bingo.

cpK69 -> RE: Which came first; Deceit or Ego (8/17/2009 12:06:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovingpet Fear is NOT an emotion. It is a primal instinct. For the sake of clarity, when you say fear is a primal instinct, is it in reference to ‘fright response’? I am now confused as to what constitutes emotion. Interesting… Kim

pahunkboy -> RE: Which came first; Deceit or Ego (8/17/2009 12:18:14 PM)
deceit. A kid can con an extra piece of chocolate out of an adult- but is not old enough to have an ego.

lovingpet -> RE: Which came first; Deceit or Ego (8/17/2009 12:22:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 quote: ORIGINAL: lovingpet Fear is NOT an emotion. It is a primal instinct. For the sake of clarity, when you say fear is a primal instinct, is it in reference to ‘fright response’? I am now confused as to what constitutes emotion. Interesting… Kim What we tag as "fear' is actually the response of startle that initiates fight or flight. When startle becomes extended for whatever reason, it becomes labelled fear. It's something meant to keep us alive. With further development of brain function, however, it can sometimes serve to do the opposite. It may or may not be an emotion, but it is instinct driven, rather than cognitively driven. That difference is key I think. lovingpet

lovingpet -> RE: Which came first; Deceit or Ego (8/17/2009 12:24:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy deceit. A kid can con an extra piece of chocolate out of an adult- but is not old enough to have an ego. Ego would be expressed by the fact that the kid knew he would HAVE to con that candy out of the adult. He knew it was not an appropriate time or thing for him to have, so he acted accordingly. lovingpet

pahunkboy -> RE: Which came first; Deceit or Ego (8/17/2009 12:34:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovingpet quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy deceit. A kid can con an extra piece of chocolate out of an adult- but is not old enough to have an ego. Ego would be expressed by the fact that the kid knew he would HAVE to con that candy out of the adult. He knew it was not an appropriate time or thing for him to have, so he acted accordingly. lovingpet Good point. When my sister was a toddler- I told her candy gave her the tummy ache. She said "NO candy is GOOD". She was very convinced that since it tasted good that it was good.

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