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"New" Dominant ...... "Common" Mist... - 8/27/2009 9:42:34 AM   
UKEvolutionary


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1) Assume that EVERY submissive has to "bow down" to you

2) Listening too much to other Doms instead of your inner self

3) NOT being clear and firm from the start in what you expect from your
submissive, and any rules you need them to adhere to

4) Trying to appear more impressive than is within your being

5) Trying to obtain a submissive too soon with too limited knowledge and ability

6) Not learning enough about the lifestyle by reading, talking to other
Dominants or submissives.

7) Being too "eager" to own a submissive

8) A mistake I have seen many make is as the emotions between the Dom
and submissive begin growing, the Dom has tended to not be as
strict or consistent as He was in the beginning. Maybe in fear of
losing her but forgetting that is the reason she craved Him in the
first place.

9) Not recognising a new subs inability to take responsibility for
their own safety. Through enthusiasm and an eagerness to please,
new subs can be their own worst enemy. A good Dom/me will recognise
the signals and take responsibility for them.

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RE: "New" Dominant ...... "Common" ... - 8/27/2009 9:53:56 AM   
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disparagingly questioning my submission. you're not really a slave because... who made you the expert?

calling yourself a master while lacking the capacity to articulate what you've done.

judging someone by the proliferation of slashy speak. because only real dominants and submissives exercise their pinky.

basing your understanding or experience in the lifestyle on chat room participation and fictional tales.

failing to recognize that dominance and submission are choices not rights.

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RE: "New" Dominant ...... "Common" ... - 8/27/2009 10:08:14 AM   
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Sorry I want to address these because it is not an End All Be All Concept when it comes to Dominance

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ORIGINAL: UKEvolutionary


1) Assume that EVERY submissive has to "bow down" to you


I am right with you on this one, what I think is a bigger mistake is that they see the entire Dominant/submissive dynamic as construct of orders and compliance to orders. They see Dominance as this Image rather than the Responsibility that it really is.

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ORIGINAL: UKEvolutionary

2) Listening too much to other Doms instead of your inner self


Disagree Completely, Again many NEW Dominants don't ask enough questions they again see Dominance as an IMAGE and not as a responsibility and a way of life, because of this they make assumptions and tell themselves that this is what it is supposed to me I have to do this to be Dominant and don't take a look at the journey that many others have already started and are well on thier way. It is when they only want to listen to what they THINK this is all about and not learn about the OTHER ways this can and is done all the time that they come across as Chest Thumping Douche Bags.

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ORIGINAL: UKEvolutionary

3) NOT being clear and firm from the start in what you expect from your
submissive, and any rules you need them to adhere to


Gunna have to go 50/50 on this one. Where as I agree that it is important to have consistency and integrity and having a firm understanding of what you expect in the initial stages of any relationship there needs to be a equalizing period where a person gets USED to how things work and being clear about something and towing the line are offten difficult I think more than being CLEAR they need to be PATIENT with the transition of going from an Concept to a Reality.

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4) Trying to appear more impressive than is within your being


This I agree with completely. If you are more concerned with how you are seen then with how you are conducting yourself then you are failing not only your submissive but yourself. If you do not know how to use a Bull Whip..... That is okay you aren't less of a Domiant because of this, and Owning a Bull Whip is not a Prerequisite for being a Dom. Also there is a line between Arrogance and Confidence and it isn't as fine as some people pretend it to be. If you take the time to learn a skill and you know you are good at it let your ability speak for itself not your Mouth. If you feel you have to Brag about how good you are with something then I have to ask who you are trying to convince other people or yourself?

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5) Trying to obtain a submissive too soon with too limited knowledge and ability


To this I will only say everyone has to learn sometime and there are certain dynamics you will NEVER understand until you are in them. I agree that deciding on Wednesday that you wanna be a Dom and putting a collar on a sub on Friday seems a little fast but hopefully it will work out and if it doesn't hopefully you learn something from the experience.

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ORIGINAL: UKEvolutionary

6) Not learning enough about the lifestyle by reading, talking to other
Dominants or submissives.


No Argument on this one however I wish to point out the conflict with this and # 2 because you say in too not to listen to much to other Dom's and here you are saying they aren't learning enough from them. I think I read Screw the Roses, and every piece of literature on BDSM even the things I wasn't interested in 20 plus times just trying to understand it all better.

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ORIGINAL: UKEvolutionary

7) Being too "eager" to own a submissive


I agree with this as well but want to expand. Being So Eager that you are willing to compramise the things that you want and require just to "Have" a submissive, the same goes for submissives seeking a Dom, when you want it so bad that you ignore all the things that you say you want but are willing to do without because you are lonely or just don't want to be single anymore then you are missing the biggest part of BDSM and that is that it should be everything that you want and none of what you don't as long as you are willing to be honest with yourself and others.

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ORIGINAL: UKEvolutionary

8) A mistake I have seen many make is as the emotions between the Dom
and submissive begin growing, the Dom has tended to not be as
strict or consistent as He was in the beginning. Maybe in fear of
losing her but forgetting that is the reason she craved Him in the
first place.


I disagree, Relationships evolve. What was started for kink can easily be continued for love and the Power Dynamic can start to become secondary to the Love Dynamic. When this happens it is only inportant that both people are moving at the same speed toward the same direction. I do not think that loving is a Mistake, but rather that it takes both people sharing the same concept of love that matters. It is okay to love your slave and eventually move from a Power Dynamic to a Love Dynamic but both parties should be honest about what they want and where they are going on a regular basis. In Most cases Communication can make everything clearer even if the clear picture is that termination of the relationship is the only happy solution as the other party is not able to give the other party what they need anymore.

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ORIGINAL: UKEvolutionary

9) Not recognising a new subs inability to take responsibility for
their own safety. Through enthusiasm and an eagerness to please,
new subs can be their own worst enemy. A good Dom/me will recognise
the signals and take responsibility for them.


Remove the words Sub & Dom/me and replace them with the word People & Person and realize that this is a double edged sword and that many new Dom/me's are not educated enough to determin their targets safety as they are not completely aware of what they themselves are doing, and that when it comes to Eagerness and Enthusiam regardless of which side of the Kneel or Whip that you are on if you are more focused on the IDEA then you are the Reality of the EXPERIENCE then someone is in dange be it yourself or your partner, knowing what someone wants and knowing what you want to get out of a situation and knowing the pitfalls and dangers of the possible outcomes is the responsibility of all people involved not just the Dom and not just the sub.

Steel

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RE: "New" Dominant ...... "Common" ... - 8/27/2009 10:24:42 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: UKEvolutionary


1) Assume that EVERY submissive has to "bow down" to you

2) Listening too much to other Doms instead of your inner self

3) NOT being clear and firm from the start in what you expect from your
submissive, and any rules you need them to adhere to

4) Trying to appear more impressive than is within your being

5) Trying to obtain a submissive too soon with too limited knowledge and ability

6) Not learning enough about the lifestyle by reading, talking to other
Dominants or submissives.

7) Being too "eager" to own a submissive

8) A mistake I have seen many make is as the emotions between the Dom
and submissive begin growing, the Dom has tended to not be as
strict or consistent as He was in the beginning. Maybe in fear of
losing her but forgetting that is the reason she craved Him in the
first place.

9) Not recognising a new subs inability to take responsibility for
their own safety. Through enthusiasm and an eagerness to please,
new subs can be their own worst enemy. A good Dom/me will recognise
the signals and take responsibility for them.



Good thread UKEvolutionary, I hope you get lost of responses.

I don't think these things particularly relate to 'New Dominants' I have seen Dominants that have been around for eons and still make these same mistakes.

I wanted to pick up on number 8/ because this is very relevant to me.
Some years ago I started going out with a very well known Dominant man. He was a well respected guy that had formed a reputation for being good at what he did. I spent four years with him and in that time he Dominated me just the once. He made every excuse under the sun as to why it all stopped as quickly as it started and for some time I believed him. Gradually I began to realize that he liked his own image but when it came to the act he got stage fright. He was terrified of getting it wrong and losing me and so it was easier for him not to do it at all.
Now this is someone who has an impeccable reputation on the scene. This is someone who gives advice to the newbie and even not so newbie Doms. I don't resent him and I don't even blame him for leading me up that garden path because I can't blame him for his own self consciousness.

When I met Stephen he was relatively new to this scene. He had played around a little but nothing serious. He had no stage fright, no fears of losing me because he could clearly connect with me and this nearly new Dom blew my brains and still does every single day. The difference between the two is confidence in themselves. Confidence makes the skill of Dominating easy, self consciousness makes it near on impossible.

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RE: "New" Dominant ...... "Common" ... - 8/27/2009 10:54:44 AM   
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Mixed responses and I thank you for ALL, Whether I agree or disagree is irrelevant, it just shows the diversity of peoples understanding of D/s, M/s and BDSM relationships, it's a question of looking for "the piece of jigsaw that fits in YOUR puzzle" !!!

The Post I made was just that of observation of people whom I see as "New Dominant..........."Common" Mistakes !!
Once again, a "PERSONAL" view !! but one that's caused thought among the community !!

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RE: "New" Dominant ...... "Common" ... - 8/27/2009 11:01:47 AM   
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Being a submissive or slave means you have no voice, you are not allowed to think or speak for yourself.
The Dom/me fails to respect the Subs feelings or morals because they are the boss

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RE: "New" Dominant ...... "Common" ... - 8/27/2009 11:09:53 AM   
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What I see is, new, covering up their insecurities about their lack of knowledge with rude arrogance. They often strut and bluster, spouting off a lot of, one true way. Generally making asses of themselves. Unable to take any guidance or criticism, afraid it will make them look less. When really, it is their arrogant blather that does it.

< Message edited by LaTigresse -- 8/27/2009 11:10:14 AM >


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RE: "New" Dominant ...... "Common" ... - 8/27/2009 11:15:56 AM   
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Oh, shut the fuck up you lezzie bitch, you just ain't had no REAL MAN cock.

On you nees, know!!!!!

XO

edited to daa:

Sorry it isn't all caps, I was masterbatng


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RE: "New" Dominant ...... "Common" ... - 8/27/2009 11:25:52 AM   
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Damn it Ron,

Not Funny, I almost Choked to death.

Steel

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RE: "New" Dominant ...... "Common" ... - 8/27/2009 11:27:28 AM   
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Yanno, long as I have been here, I can find all kinda spitters and chokers, not one goddamn swallower yet though, Steel.

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RE: "New" Dominant ...... "Common" ... - 8/27/2009 11:28:15 AM   
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TOP 10 Common Mistakes of "New" Dominants:

10 a. Using CM or other source as a 'bible' defining the 'one-true-way'.
10 b. Wasting energy defining, or worse arguing about, words such as; 'limits', '24/7', 'slave', 'Master', etc.

9. Not considering to personal or relationship 'evolution'.

8. Believing announcing; "I am Dominant!", makes it so.

7. Creating a mental image of an 'ideal' submissive partner before ever having shared anything with any partner.

6. Thinking they never have to serve again once they find a submissive partner.

5. Planing for failure but not success by eliminating, or at minimum appreciating, all factors outside of the Dominant's influence or control.

4. Thinking, "I am Dominant" eliminates "I am wrong" from their vocabulary.

3. Feeling the necessity to 'act' dominant.

2. The inability to laugh at themselves.

And the #1 common mistake.....Not having enough FUN!

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RE: "New" Dominant ...... "Common" ... - 8/27/2009 11:32:02 AM   
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Sandals with socks.  Do not do this guys.

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RE: "New" Dominant ...... "Common" ... - 8/27/2009 11:36:15 AM   
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8 year old girl pants on a 30 year old man wearing more makup than mom is just a little scary too for that matter.

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RE: "New" Dominant ...... "Common" ... - 8/27/2009 11:40:12 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

8 year old girl pants on a 30 year old man wearing more makup than mom is just a little scary too for that matter.

Steel


8 year old girl pants? how would a man fit in them?


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RE: "New" Dominant ...... "Common" ... - 8/27/2009 11:44:09 AM   
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It is the Popular style right now in the states.

The Can't button them so the just wear boxers and get them as high up as the can so that look so tight they will need to be cut off and then they grow thier hair out and refuse to keep it brushed.

Apparently it's a Statement, I just don't know what kind of statement other than I'm wearing my kid sisters clothes and I don't like showers.

I just don't get it. However lots of Highschool and College Students sport this particular look daily.

Steel

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RE: "New" Dominant ...... "Common" ... - 8/27/2009 11:46:09 AM   
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Oh doesn't sound great. Ive not seen it here thats why I was a little baffled (and I always forget pants mean trousers to you)

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RE: "New" Dominant ...... "Common" ... - 8/27/2009 11:53:29 AM   
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failing to recognize that being in control of someone entails a responsibility for the direction or their life and their well being, rather than being a simple matter of self fulfillment 

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RE: "New" Dominant ...... "Common" ... - 8/27/2009 11:54:01 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Apocalypso

Sandals with socks.  Do not do this guys.



Or worse, naked with socks on in front of women. This is not sexy.

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RE: "New" Dominant ...... "Common" ... - 8/27/2009 11:55:34 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail


quote:

ORIGINAL: Apocalypso

Sandals with socks. Do not do this guys.



Or worse, naked with socks on in front of women. This is not sexy.



Sexier than minging toes/feet

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RE: "New" Dominant ...... "Common" ... - 8/27/2009 11:56:23 AM   
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My toes are not mingers, they are fit, very fit!!!!!!!!!

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