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DomImus -> RE: Sex, Money & Horney Patty (9/1/2009 6:09:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero
Relationships inherently are business transactions.


With no guarantee of getting what you "paid" for.




Level -> RE: Sex, Money & Horney Patty (9/1/2009 6:15:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


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ORIGINAL: Level

There's nothing wrong with kink for money (nor sex for money, for that matter), but yeah, it's good to know it for what it is.


Actually, if we take Horny Patty's experience as an example, there is something wrong with it -- namely that its unfulfilling. It promises satisfaction, but in the end leads only to the prospect of further, expensive addiction. Ray made HT feel great in the moment, but made her feel worse afterwards -- ergo her analogy of the experience to cocaine.


Yeah, cb, but you can't make that a universal claim. I've, uh, heard of people that had whores, and expected nothing more than what they got, and it fulfilled a need.




cloudboy -> RE: Sex, Money & Horney Patty (9/1/2009 7:33:37 PM)


Not a universal claim, but an insightful observation. All of the focus in the debates tends to be about the propriety of charging for BDSM, but very little has been written about those who have paid for experiences and how it affected them.




Lockit -> RE: Sex, Money & Horney Patty (9/1/2009 8:36:17 PM)

Many who have paid continue to go back for more. If it left a wound... well maybe they didn't know what they were getting into or won't do it again, but I doubt it is a life scar. It surely would be a life lesson, but I also doubt a life lesson so important that they would have to dwell on it and fight it and make it such a great deal that it became a life scar.

We're all adult's here.




stella41b -> RE: Sex, Money & Horney Patty (9/2/2009 1:01:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

What role do you think money plays in your own BDSM relationship? Should it play any role at all, and if so, what?



The way I see it there's people, money, sex, and BDSM and I don't feel you can really discuss any one component here without taking into consideration the other three.

BDSM doesn't really offer us any escape here, we are all people who are part of society and conditioned by varying degrees by gender roles, social ones and also societal stereotypes. Being aware of our kinks and fetishes doesn't necessarily mean that we don't also bring our social prejudices with us to these boards and like it or not there's just as much class warfare and social prejudice on these boards as there is anywhere off them.

Case in point elsewhere on this very board there's also that excessive acronym thread just like that humungous tribute thread in Ask A Mistress. This is not even mentioning what you find in the Politics and Religion section.

I don't believe money is the primary motivating factor in most people's behaviour and I believe that sex is just as powerful as money when it comes to motivating most people. We are made aware of this not just by the way many advertisers create their commercials but also there's an army of tradesmen out there who are busy unblocking drains, mending fences, tidying gardens, rewiring houses, painting walls not for money but simply for nookie.

Nothing changes the behaviour of most people more than when they feel they are not getting enough money or enough sex, or they feel they aren't. Our social stereotyping and reinforcement of gender roles creates conditions for the power struggle between men and women so that it would seem from a certain perspective that men and women in society are playing each other at chess and white queen is money and black queen is sex. Though many of us seek to release ourselves from such conditioning and despite the fact many succeed attitudes from such conditioning still remain in varying degrees and still influence our attitudes and behaviour.

Life isn't fair, and neither is society. Women still struggle for equality when it comes to earning power and money and while this may not be the case in middle America, middle England or anywhere else evidence still exists that it does and that evidence grows the further down through society you go. Men are also affected, and some would even argue that a man in advanced years who doesn't have any money, no possessions, and who isn't especially attractive might as well chop his dick off as many would consider him a failure.

BDSM by its own esoteric situation in society has come to show that it can replace or stand alongside sex in this power struggle between the genders, irrespective of whether it actually contains sex or not.

While I don't fully agree with NihilusZero's statement that all relationships are a business transaction - there are some people out there trading in love and some of these relationships are one-sided - I feel that generally given the fact that most are still subject to their conditioning it's still a very valid statement. This is backed up by AlexadraLynch's statement regarding tributes - for many people a relationship is a business transaction and when they are required to pay for something they tend to appreciate and value it more.

In my own personal BDSM relationships money doesn't play much of a role but then a large part of my experience has been spent in service to pro-dommes as their personal submissive in service type relationships. I have never paid a pro-domme, in fact on a couple of occasions I have been paid by a pro-domme for my service, but almost entirely our relationships were formed as lifestyle relationships and no money was involved. In fact, had it not been for the existence of pro-dommes, I cannot say for sure whether I would be here.






allthatjaz -> RE: Sex, Money & Horney Patty (9/2/2009 1:13:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally

There is a difference between a client/provider relationship and a personal relationship.

In my relationship money plays a role in that neither of us have any.


Can we join your club Lilly cos neither of us have any either [8D]




Reigna -> RE: Sex, Money & Horney Patty (9/4/2009 12:15:01 PM)

I was brought up to believe that money is an improper basis for intimate relationships. I was subject to the socialization that most of us relatively prosperous working class American girls were, but with a twist: One of my uncles married into a very wealthy family. His parents--my grandparents--were, on a superficial level, proud of his "accomplishment." But a deeper undercurrent ran through the family dynamics; the truth was that he was despised despite having "done pretty well for himself."

Of course, I was also brought up to believe that you shouldn't beat the one you love, and I do that pretty regularly. So I'm not about to condemn anyone for practicing what I don't preach.




monaslave -> RE: Sex, Money & Horney Patty (9/5/2009 10:09:02 AM)

So how do you tell if somebody is trying to use you instead? if you agree to a gift or transaction, or if you agree you save money and your Top takes care of it/saves it,and you later find out they just used it? you keep pouring money out,and have no idea they are gone right away? especially,if youre not living together.How do you prevent such things to happen?




happylittlepet -> RE: Sex, Money & Horney Patty (9/5/2009 10:26:16 AM)

How about by taking time to develop the relationship first.

To really, and I mean really, get to know the other person and to find that over time he/she is honest, reliable, looking out for your well being, not only out for him/herself, has worked through (if needed) fear, anger, and trust issues. Whether he/she has patience to let you work through yours, has the desire to know you for who you are, not for what you can give. Giving/receiving from one another has to be a two way street, not a one way.

To take a step back from wanting a D/s or M/s dynamic and find out if there is compatibility without it. To eliminate the 'rush' of finding someone and acting too quickly.

It is important that each partner knows him/herself first, and is able to live a fulfilled life alone. 

Edited for typo.




misspersialynn -> RE: Sex, Money & Horney Patty (9/8/2009 11:07:31 AM)

Every relationship is give and take. For every relationship there are different requirements. Only you can choose what you really want. you get what you pay for.




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