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If you have any question on european healthcare - 9/8/2009 4:43:29 AM

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...You can ask me

I surely do not know all the answers, but been there and done that etc. I can give you some insight.

I quite surprised by the way European Healthcare is described in the US media and especially by the way it is disparraged by the Republicans.

Healthcare systems in Europe face serious problems too, but they are never mentionned.

So, if you are interested in what the Swissification of Healthcare means,

just post here.

Take (health)care

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RE: If you have any question on european healthcare - 9/8/2009 7:24:21 AM

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It's a gracious and sensible offer, but I'm afraid you're not likely to get any takers. It's been tried before. Most Americans who are ignorant about this issue insist on remaining ignorant. They like it that way. They know what they know, and they don't listen to anything that contradicts their preconceptions. If some conservative twit tells them that people in Europe are dying like flies because there's a 12-year wait for a heart transplant and nobody over age 50 is allowed to see a doctor, and someone from Europe tells them that this is not true, they're going to believe the conservative twit because he's telling them what they want to hear. And they'll simply tell you that you're the one who's misinformed.

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RE: If you have any question on european healthcare - 9/8/2009 7:29:39 AM

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...You can ask me

I surely do not know all the answers, but been there and done that etc. I can give you some insight.

I quite surprised by the way European Healthcare is described in the US media and especially by the way it is disparraged by the Republicans.

Healthcare systems in Europe face serious problems too, but they are never mentionned.

So, if you are interested in what the Swissification of Healthcare means,

just post here.

Take (health)care

Henry

Okay, thanks for the offer.

Can I go to any caregiver of my choosing (such as a midwife for births?)?
Am I free to shop around for the best price for the care I'm looking for?

If I am a health care professional, can I open up my own shop?
What kind of regulations would I be subject to?

Those are just off the top of my head.

Thanks, again.

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RE: If you have any question on european healthcare - 9/8/2009 7:36:43 AM

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Can I go to any caregiver of my choosing (such as a midwife for births?)?

Will you be judging them on how big their hands are?

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Am I free to shop around for the best price for the care I'm looking for?

The best price is zero.

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If I am a health care professional, can I open up my own shop?

Sure. There is always some people that would prefer to pay more thinking they'll get a better service.

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What kind of regulations would I be subject to?

The same as everyone else.

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RE: If you have any question on european healthcare - 9/8/2009 7:48:16 AM

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The best price is zero.

That's nice, but there is no such thing as free health care. Someone is paying for it somehow.

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RE: If you have any question on european healthcare - 9/8/2009 7:59:09 AM

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It's free on the basis that some will pay for it but not need it i.e. just like insurance but on such a bigger scale that the premiums cost less for everyone.

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RE: If you have any question on european healthcare - 9/8/2009 8:02:48 AM

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It's free on the basis that some will pay for it but not need it i.e. just like insurance but on such a bigger scale that the premiums cost less for everyone.

Can anyone opt out of paying? So they can find health care on their own terms?

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RE: If you have any question on european healthcare - 9/8/2009 8:04:50 AM

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I should add that I believe that over reliance on insurance is a major problem for health care in the U.S.

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RE: If you have any question on european healthcare - 9/8/2009 8:13:44 AM

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I should add that I believe that over reliance on insurance is a major problem for health care in the U.S.

Over-reliance on insurance?????????????

Are you wealthy?

Because if not you obviously have never been sick or seen anyone close to you get sick.

Do you have any idea of the exorbitant health care charges?

I had an accident, spent 1 and 1/2 days in the hospital for "observation" and the bill came to $16,000.

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RE: If you have any question on european healthcare - 9/8/2009 8:17:47 AM

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It's free on the basis that some will pay for it but not need it i.e. just like insurance but on such a bigger scale that the premiums cost less for everyone.

Can anyone opt out of paying? So they can find health care on their own terms?

No obviously not because some will not act responsibly and pay for alternative means of cover, just like I can't say I want to opt out of state pensions contributions unless that contribution is paid to a private pensions fund.

I have no problem with private hospitals seeking government funding to cover a certain area of expertise what I have a problem with is insurance companies taking bets on who’ll need treatment to make profit, the errors of which gets passed to the customers not the shareholders. It's like car insurance they never lose just put the premiums up to cover the risks that have occurred.

Take a young male driver in virtually any car he’ll be almost uninsurable. Now apply the same risk measuring methods to an elderly patient with a family history of cancer. That patient will be punished based on their unavoidable circumstances as judged by the insurer. It isn’t fair because different people at different stages of life or with a certain family histories (all unavoidable factors) need differing levels of healthcare.

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RE: If you have any question on european healthcare - 9/8/2009 8:21:58 AM

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I should add that I believe that over reliance on insurance is a major problem for health care in the U.S.

Over-reliance on insurance?????????????

Are you wealthy?

Because if not you obviously have never been sick or seen anyone close to you get sick.

Do you have any idea of the exorbitant health care charges?

I had an accident, spent 1 and 1/2 days in the hospital for "observation" and the bill came to $16,000.

Yes, and part of the reason for that is that there is no price competition to push costs down. And that is because of an over reliance on insurance.

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RE: If you have any question on european healthcare - 9/8/2009 8:23:57 AM

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It's free on the basis that some will pay for it but not need it i.e. just like insurance but on such a bigger scale that the premiums cost less for everyone.

Can anyone opt out of paying? So they can find health care on their own terms?

No obviously not because some will not act responsibly and pay for alternative means of cover, just like I can't say I want to opt out of state pensions contributions unless that contribution is paid to a private pensions fund.

Thank you. You've answered my question. And I think you can guess what I think of state pension plans, too.

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RE: If you have any question on european healthcare - 9/8/2009 8:29:24 AM

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I think what you really have to ask yourself is who pays for the ones that refuse to insure themselves?

It's not like they won't be treated but they'll say those medical bills you can whistle for. So de facto you have the same thing but the only difference is we are cutting out a layer of risk games in terms of cost.

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RE: If you have any question on european healthcare - 9/8/2009 8:31:20 AM

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If you have any question on European health-care

What is the specific procedure when you feel you are a victim of medical malpractice?
How many lawyers specialize and advertise for clients?
What are the fees involved?
How long does the process take?
Who has the burden of proof?
What is the cost involved?
Is it ruled by a jury or judge?
Provide some examples of recent published awards
What was the most recent 'class action' medical or drug company law suit?
How many commercials per hour appear on European TV that compare to; "ATTENTION YAZ or YAZMIN USERS - You may be entitled to money damages! Call Attorney or www.yazfirm.com now!"?
How are these costs handled by the 'European' system?
What happens if you, as the plaintiff, lose?

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RE: If you have any question on european healthcare - 9/8/2009 8:35:34 AM

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You'll find most injury lawyer adverts on during the daytime since it's cheap and they'll expect people out of work due to injury to be a captive audience at that time. You make it sound as if nobody has a legal right to claim malpractice or they'll be unsuccessful, is this seriously your viewpoint?

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RE: If you have any question on european healthcare - 9/8/2009 8:51:43 AM

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You'll find most injury lawyer adverts on during the daytime since it's cheap and they'll expect people out of work due to injury to be a captive audience at that time. You make it sound as if nobody has a legal right to claim malpractice or they'll be unsuccessful, is this seriously your viewpoint?

I did? Only the answers would indicate that, not the questions. I thought the OP was here to answer questions not duck them? Why is my viewpoint a factor in your answer? It was represented that the OP "been there and done that". Well...

I'm not surprised that you want to limit discussion to only certain aspects of the subject; unfortunately you can't make a legitimate comparison unless ALL factors contributory to access and cost are addressed. Here's "insight" concerning comparing a European system with a USA system; you can't just change the plug on any electrical device and use it here. The same problem exists when 'access' is the only aspect of health-care being discussed. You can't 'plug in' one part of the system and expect it to work.

The agenda which sees any argument as "disparaging" and political party specific to me is pragmatic analysis.

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RE: If you have any question on european healthcare - 9/8/2009 8:56:28 AM

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There is no European healthcare..it is different from country to country.
And for sure different from the American system....but Europe is not a unity when it comes to healthcare.

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RE: If you have any question on european healthcare - 9/8/2009 9:06:05 AM

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I should add that I believe that over reliance on insurance is a major problem for health care in the U.S.

Over-reliance on insurance?????????????

Are you wealthy?

Because if not you obviously have never been sick or seen anyone close to you get sick.

Do you have any idea of the exorbitant health care charges?

I had an accident, spent 1 and 1/2 days in the hospital for "observation" and the bill came to $16,000.

Yes, and part of the reason for that is that there is no price competition to push costs down. And that is because of an over reliance on insurance.

Then you are going to have to explain that further because I'm not getting it.

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RE: If you have any question on european healthcare - 9/8/2009 9:09:34 AM

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I wish the guy who started the thread would come on and answer some of the questions posed, rather than the snarky replies by somebody else.

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RE: If you have any question on european healthcare - 9/8/2009 9:13:20 AM

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there was an interview on NPR with an author who has recently published a book detailing several of the European models as well as India and China (I think). Can't for the life of me remember the name of the book and have been searching the NPR site to try to find. Will post here if I find it and anyone is interested in the comparisons and facts contained.

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