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RE: Collaring without influence - 9/11/2009 6:34:07 AM

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Well, OK, they don't get to say 'no' within certain limits. Which is another way of saying that they do get to say 'no'. Take no notice of my former statement, LP, I was a different man when I wrote it.

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RE: Collaring without influence - 9/11/2009 9:23:44 AM

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Concerning most Mistresses (and Masters) a true slave allows his or her owner to cross some of their boundaries.

Some of their boundaries? I would instead say all, or at least all those that are relevant to servitude.

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As a result of this, I am questioning myself whether a true slave is allowed to say 'no' whenever someone desires to collar him/her? In short I would say a true slave would, on the other hand....

That other hand may be where you'd want to start. Of course we all know that an individual has the choice to walk through that gateway; that choice consists of the actualized desire to be a slave, and that desire is relative to the individual who has captured her, so to speak. Consensual slavery requires two well fitting instruments in the form of two minds and bodies in which there is complete surrender in one and complete rule in the other. This can only be reached with formidable interest—and effort—from both sides.

Now where one has walked through that gate of slavery can become another story. There are depths of psychology inherent in M/s that challenge and outright contradict our established ideas about free will and choice. In that rarely tapped stratum, a declaration is all that is needed—but that is not how one begins that journey.

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RE: Collaring without influence - 9/11/2009 11:14:00 AM

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a true slave allows his or her owner to cross some of their boudaries. As a result of this, I am questioning myself whether a true slave is allowed to say 'no' whenever someone desires to collar him/her? In short I would say a true slave would, on the other hand....

okay, since i'm not caffeinated i'll shoot straight from the hip. wtf is with the true slave thing? do you consider yourself one, know any, or is this some makeshift term you've concocted while typing?

i'm asking because the slaves i know are too busy attending to their owner's needs to bother posting drivel like this. the mere fact you refer to slavery in this context makes me question who's training you. slavery is a progression from submission, not instead of it.

signed. a very true slave with credentials.

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RE: Collaring without influence - 9/13/2009 10:53:08 AM

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Actually if he collared me knowing my boundaries, and then immediately proceeded to violate them once I was collared, I wouldn't remain collared. How could I trust my well being to someone who chose as a first act to prove that he didn't care about my well being?

I don't pull my hard limits out of a hat, they are there for a reason and violating them is harmful to me. When word and action disagree, trust actions.

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RE: Collaring without influence - 9/13/2009 4:19:40 PM

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Dear all,

Concerning most Mistresses (and Masters) a true slave allows his or her owner to cross some of their boudaries. As a result of this, I am questioning myself whether a true slave is allowed to say 'no' whenever someone desires to collar him/her? In short I would say a true slave would, on the other hand....

In the first place, what is a "true" slave? There are as many different definitions of that as there are, well, anyway....... I would think that, once the Master/Mistress has offered the collar, it's up to the slave whether or not to accept it. There are stories of kidnapping slaves and making them One's own whether or not the slave agrees, but this is real life, not fiction.

As for boundaries, I would think the Master/Mistress would already know the slave's hard limits before the collaring and should work within them. I don't know about others' hard limits, but I have mine for a reason.....my mental and/or physical health. And if my Dominant cares so little for me that He would cross those limits, I would not only not remain collared, I would probably leave totally.

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RE: Collaring without influence - 9/13/2009 5:15:42 PM

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I've been sold at a slave auction several times already. I've always had the ability to say no..

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