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RE: Tactful - 9/18/2009 5:27:49 AM   
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Sometimes all you can do is be there and pick up the peices

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RE: Tactful - 9/18/2009 6:08:47 AM   
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Sometimes the only way to grow and conquer something is to learn the hard way.

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RE: Tactful - 9/18/2009 6:14:01 AM   
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Only giving My opinion IF directly asked....
there are ways that you can *ahem* manipulate a situation so it seems you are asked directly...thus letting the opinions flow.

For me...if i sense a truly dangerous situation i will not remain quiet. Otherwise, i keep my opinions to myself.


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RE: Tactful - 9/18/2009 7:14:25 AM   
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oh... so what i just suggested, you have already implemented?

I wasted all that perfectly good babble



No, not wasted at all. We've always done the morning strategy meeting. We discuss current jobs and scheduling, etc. Then the guys go off on their sports tangents and other misc whatever.

BUT, this morning, as soon as we were finished discussing work flow, I dropped the bomb. Some how, even after writing and rewriting (picture the crazy person with coffee cup nearby, surrounded by dozens of crumpled pieces of paper, muttering madly to herself in the middle of the night), I just flew by the seat of my pants with what came to me. Totally ignoring all my notes.

The bottom line, it worked and it worked very well. I managed to pull just enough tact out of my ass, to have a productive meeting about some very sensitive issues.


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RE: Tactful - 9/18/2009 7:20:54 AM   
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The bottom line, it worked and it worked very well. I managed to pull just enough tact out of my ass, to have a productive meeting about some very sensitive issues.

very good job, LeeAnn!!!!!!

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RE: Tactful - 9/18/2009 7:44:40 AM   
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Yes, it IS frustrating as hell, Raven.  There is someone on collarme who was once a close acquaintance of mine who I saw heading for trouble.  I tried to keep my mouth shut and then they asked me what I thought about something that just struck me wrong.  I told her that things about it rang untrue.  I got the cold shoulder.  Turned out I was right but they got past it after a lot of hurt and recriminations and some degree of mistrust.  As for her and I?  Well, she has contacted me a couple of times and we've discussed it but she seems to avoid speaking to me as she once did.  ~shrugs~  She is being honorable to the one she has chosen and at this point, I would try my hardest to say NOTHING, no matter what I saw happening.  She knows I am here to listen and offer support if it goes bust.

My oldest um is going through a rough time with her guy...the father of my granddaughter.  She's beginning to realize that she wants a bit more from life on an intellectual and emotional level than he does and that the chemical attraction that was so hot and "reallllllllly connecting, Dad" was due more to hormones and revenge upon a prior lover rather than true connection to him.  I wish she'd have learned this before she went ahead and had my granddaughter but if wishes were horses...  At this point, all I can do is speak to her of those things in her situation wherein I see similarities to past boondoggles of my own and even at that, I can't go too far. 

Frustrating as hell.

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RE: Tactful - 9/18/2009 7:50:40 AM   
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Frustrating as hell.
*nods* It is so hard to stand back and watch someone you love make a huge mistake. It is something we have all had to do, and will have to do again, in all probability.

The only comfort is that you can be there to help them up and dust them off.


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RE: Tactful - 9/18/2009 8:04:30 AM   
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That's what I was getting at CD. Yes the only course of action is to keep Your mouth shut however folks seem to assume that means You shouldn't feel frustrated.... But if You actually do CARE then that frustration is going to be there.

If You are one of these plastic shallow folks who doesn't care about anything other than Yourself, then fine You ain't going to get that frustration. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be one of those.


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RE: Tactful - 9/18/2009 11:02:20 AM   
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Being a parent of an adult can be the MOST frustrating thing in the world. It is a miracle I still have a tongue because I've bitten it to keep quiet, so many times.

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RE: Tactful - 9/18/2009 11:02:28 AM   
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even in that situation the info was ignored and ..... train wreck... boom!



Sometimes we know it's going to be a train wreck.... Sometimes we know others have a story to tell that could save us, but we all have that "it will be different this time" thought at some point in our lives.

And sometimes we
are such masochists we enjoy "train wrecks"....   This girl IS the Train Wreck enjoying masochist!



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RE: Tactful - 9/18/2009 3:31:59 PM   
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Yeah but RM, if she had a train wreck with you, it doesn't mean she hasn't learned from it. In this case she didn't, but nobody starts off all wise and making good decisions. You know the old line "good judgment comes from experience and experience comes from bad judgment".

If however people have repeatedly chosen the bad choices, and refuse to learn from their errors, then back off. They aren't worth dealing with.

LaT, if he doesn't come up to speed, you and the others could start a new firm and acquire all his customers. Because you know how to do it right and you're willing to.

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RE: Tactful - 9/19/2009 4:32:37 AM   
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Des, the meeting actually went very well. I know the guy has potential, he's just never had to step up to the plate. As his friend and manager of his company, I do feel a certain responsibility to give him the occasional kick in the pants and, to be honest, I have been complacent and letting him get away with too much. I scared him yesterday and he needed it. The rest of the crew felt free to chime in after I'd had my say and it really was a good thing. As though a large weight was lifted, a black cloud gone. Now, as his friend, I need to keep kicking his ass and as the owner, he needs to remember his responsibilities.

The type of work we do, I would not want to start a business in. It is not my passion. I honestly could care less about the product. For me, it is all about the people, both internally and externally. The product is nothing to me. If I was the owner, and responsible for sales, I should be passionate about the product.

I save my passion for my hobbies, photography (soon to be available for purchase as soon as I get my copywrite stuff taken care of) other art projects, a book on the toxic of corporate american, (about the horrid shift in mindset, treating employees as disposable, and yet to be named) that I am collaborating on with GD, and several others (fiction) in the works, my horses and other furry babies, the occasional potential female slave candidate, and most of all, my family.

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RE: Tactful - 9/19/2009 9:30:51 AM   
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Oye! Apparently I do not know how to spell copyright, at O-dark thirty.

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RE: Tactful - 9/19/2009 11:04:36 AM   
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There is no for sure happening of the train wreck, however, to me, in the situations the OP has described the INTERFERENCE WILL make the train wreck happen because in the end the person is interfereing in something that IS NONE OF HIS/HER BUSINESS, its the sad fact even if its good intentions. And it will just cause disharmony in their relationship where there may NOT be any or it may FEED disharmony in issues they may be working on.

person can many times BE DIFFERENT with someone else, old relationshipers don't want to admit that because then they would have to face the actuality that maybe THEY were part of the problem. Its not a nice thing to have to really look at yourself in that way. Even if she did something wrong in your eyes, it doesn't mean she will with this guy or maybe she has changed how she perceives things and her priorities. Its obvious you in your former relationship wasn't the priority -- her lying to you was.

I know many people who were complete screw ups in a relationship with one person and yet with another person they relationship THRIVED. In ANY RELATIONSHIP IT TAKES TWO PEOPLE -- so yes, a person CAN have a different relationship with another person and be a completely different type of person. In the end, everyone has stories of past relationships, everyone has opinions of people, however, in the end, it simply could be THE RELATIONSHIP meaning you yourself was a catalyst for some reason to a person being who they were with you. Maybe with this person they have what your ex needs or your former friends or known people needs to make the relationship work with the person than you did. Its a hard fact to swallow because its natural to blame the other person when a relationship ends or a friendship ends or see fault in who or what they are. However, different environment, different atmosphere, different understandings, beliefs, LIFE, can make a person different.

Also, the OP is assuming that the past of these people haven't been talked about with their partners. OR that YOUR OPINION of the past should somehow be significant to them. Its not. Sorry but it really isn't. You are very insignificant in other people's relationships.

Myself, with most of my ex boyfriends before meeting my Master i was a COMPLETE BITCH, queen bitch, and i treated them horribly, however, then comes along my Master and i was a completely different woman with him than with my exs and it was commented on while i was with him.

To me, IF you want to interfere than approach them BOTH at the same time and tell them BOTH of what you see as issues. Your ex, should have the right to face her accusor as you attempt to bring negative into her relationship.

Yes may a train wreck occur -- sure, that's what happens at times IN relationships, however, predicting a trainwreck and attempting to stop an alleged trainwreck prior to it happening to me is a sure way of making a trainwreck happen.


Now that being said, its also natural to wnat to protect people from what you deem harmful especially if you care about them. But sometimes you have to realize this may be something they HAVE to go through in their life. Like i said before, if you plan to interfere based on your supposed knowledge or feelings or opinions (in the end that's really ALL it is -- nothing more or less) make sure you do so with BOTH of them together instead of taking the one you care about aside to feed them a bit of juicy gossip about someone they have told you they care about. BUt its always a very tricky situation of when do you say something and when don't you.

With people you DON'T KNOW and only are rumored to be red flags -- stay out of it -- period. Its not fair for a new person to have people running up to them redflagging people. Sorry but its not. That is your OWN BIAS working and its not up to you to decide who should get to have relationships with whom just because you don't like someone.

WIth the ex, when you see them both, make it known you had a relationship and you can also imply it ended badly. IF the guy is that interested he will ask her and/or you about it then and there. If she is worried something may get back to him, she will tell him.

With the rest, it really is none of your business and unless you feel everyone who is your friend has the right to fill you or your girls head with NEGATIVE information about you guys in an attempt to get you to not be together, then go for it. If yo feel its not their place, then respect that for other people's relationships.

IF one or both of them come to chat with you, then be honest as to your opinion.

All in all it sucks to be in the OP's position but sometimes you have to let people find out they made a mistake or bad decision on their own and hope that they don't find this to be true in their currect situation.



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RE: Tactful - 9/19/2009 11:24:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: IrishMist


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ORIGINAL: RavenMuse

What would help is...

Keep mouth shut...

Watch the inevitable train wreck happen....

Take 6" of 2x4 and apply vigorously around the predator types head...
Feel lots better in the knowledge he can't hurt anyone else whilst he is in intensive care...

Pity there is laws against it, but it is a calming thought!


NOW you are talking


Agreed, and also one reason why I live in Georgia, the "license to kill" state.


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