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RE: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan? - 10/2/2009 11:25:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity

This is nothing but theatrics, at best a red herring. Instead of addressing actual issues Democrats are trying to distract.




Democrats are trying to distract????????????????

The whole article was about the fact Republicans have nothing to offer on the issue and their whole goal has been distraction.

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Here's the issue: Dems want the same people who run the post office to take over health care, they want to in essence burn down what we have now and start everything from scratch.

They are proposing drastic changes, changes that most Americans have clearly demonstrated that they do not want.


Yes, you've made this claim before and been proven wrong time and again, yet you keep repeating it.

Anyone who wants to retain their current, private coverage will be allowed to do so.

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Conservatives are asking for minor tweaks to the existing system to make health care more affordable and easier to obtain. What we have proposed is common knowledge to anyone with an open mind who pays attention, things such as tort reform, tax credits, easing restrictions on who may obtain group coverage rates, and allowing insurance companies to compete across state lines.



OK Sanity, I'll keep an open mind.

Show me these proposals and give me me statistics and documented facts on how this will "make health care more affordable and easier to obtain".

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RE: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan? - 10/2/2009 11:40:38 AM   
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Well maybe you should just check out the proposals I listed.
Starting with HR3400

And here are the rest of the various proposals admittedly they are piece meal and some are repeated in other proposals in various ways.

H.R. 77; H.R. 109; H.R. 198; H.R. 270; H.R. 321; H.R. 464; H.R. 502; H.R. 544; H.R. 917; H.R. 1086; H.R. 1118; H.R. 1441; H.R. 1458; H.R. 1468; H.R. 1658; H.R. 1891; H.R. 2520; H.R. 2607; H.R. 2692; H.R. 2784; H.R. 2785; H.R. 2786; H.R. 2787; H.R. 3141; H.R. 3217; H.R. 3218; H.R. 3356; H.R. 3372; H.R. 3400; H.R. 3438; H.R. 3454; and H.R. 3478.

There is your start point for what the republicans have countered with rather than just parroting the party line as is so often charged of the conservatives.



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RE: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan? - 10/2/2009 11:56:35 AM   
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That is just awful, maybe once the democrats take control of the house, they can do something to stop those godless repubs...oh wait, they do control it.


I'm as amazed as you are, Boi....trying to get democrats to work together is like trying to herd cats.

The really hilarious thing is that Obama is still grovelling and fawning to the Republicans over this, even after the kicking he got from them for trying that over the stimulus package. You'd have thought that he'd have realised that was pointless by now.

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RE: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan? - 10/2/2009 12:49:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		At least, when it finally comes down to doing reconcilliation on the bill, the Dems can rightfully say (if you'll pardon the expression) that they tried everything to get these anti-Americans on board. Obama's already said that he will own the legislation, good or bad. To me, that means he's willing to get it pushed through... despite the GOP idiocy.

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RE: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan? - 10/2/2009 1:07:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Archer

Rulemylife

Well maybe you should just check out the proposals I listed.
Starting with HR3400

And here are the rest of the various proposals admittedly they are piece meal and some are repeated in other proposals in various ways.

H.R. 77; H.R. 109; H.R. 198; H.R. 270; H.R. 321; H.R. 464; H.R. 502; H.R. 544; H.R. 917; H.R. 1086; H.R. 1118; H.R. 1441; H.R. 1458; H.R. 1468; H.R. 1658; H.R. 1891; H.R. 2520; H.R. 2607; H.R. 2692; H.R. 2784; H.R. 2785; H.R. 2786; H.R. 2787; H.R. 3141; H.R. 3217; H.R. 3218; H.R. 3356; H.R. 3372; H.R. 3400; H.R. 3438; H.R. 3454; and H.R. 3478.

There is your start point for what the republicans have countered with rather than just parroting the party line as is so often charged of the conservatives.



I have an honest question--

Then why don't they simply say so?

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RE: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan? - 10/2/2009 1:13:58 PM   
Archer


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Status: offline 		The facts are on the record, they have said we have offered alternatives and even made statements of what those alternatives are.
But it makes better press to parrot the liberal LIE that they have no plan.
They have offered up legislation that Pelosi has back burnered and refuses to consider.
They have been to the whitehouse and offered up the list as well and we have all seen how many of their suggestions have been dismissed out of hand because they don't go far enough.

The list of offered legislation is out there to be found, hell if I can locate them so can you and so can the media. But it sells more soap to parrot the lie that they have offered nothing.

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RE: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan? - 10/2/2009 1:20:29 PM   
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H.R. 77 is is a bill that says that anyone above the federal minimum wage should be taxed by the government on the cost of the company healthcare benefits they recieve.

So, couple things, NOW the repubs are trying to increase taxes (while saying they are not) CLAIMING THAT DEMOCRATS ARE doing it, and secondly, this makes it more affordable how, and what exactly is the reform that is taking place?

This is a rather loose way of saying that republicans are trying to make healthcare more affordable.

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RE: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan? - 10/2/2009 1:21:15 PM   
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At least, when it finally comes down to doing reconcilliation on the bill, the Dems can rightfully say (if you'll pardon the expression) that they tried everything to get these anti-Americans on board. Obama's already said that he will own the legislation, good or bad. To me, that means he's willing to get it pushed through... despite the GOP idiocy.

Surprised to see it documented that the Democrats against the Bill are represented as "anti-Americans", and lumped in with the "GOP idiocy".

Idiocy or reality?

Sen. Thomas Carper (D.-Del.), a member of the Senate Finance Committee, told CNSNews.com that he does not "expect" to read the actual legislative language of the committee's health care bill because it is "confusing" and that anyone who claims they are going to read it and understand it is fooling people."I don't expect to actually read the legislative language because reading the legislative language is among the more confusing things I've ever read in my life", Carper told CNSNews.com

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RE: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan? - 10/2/2009 1:33:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

well, just the first one..........

H.R. 77 is is a bill that says that anyone above the federal minimum wage should be taxed by the government on the cost of the company healthcare benefits they recieve.

So, couple things, NOW the repubs are trying to increase taxes (while saying they are not) CLAIMING THAT DEMOCRATS ARE doing it, and secondly, this makes it more affordable how, and what exactly is the reform that is taking place?

This is a rather loose way of saying that republicans are trying to make healthcare more affordable.

Ron


Not the way I read it, I read it as In a state where the minimum wage is higher than the federal minimum wage that the employer can use whatever health insurance costs as a means to reach that minimum wage.

Ie if the state minimum wage is $10 and the federal is $8 then the $2 difference can be made up in the amount the Employer pays towards an approved health insurance plan for those employees.

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RE: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan? - 10/2/2009 1:37:34 PM   
mnottertail


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And that then, as I understand reality will work like tips for waitresses, that is, the fuckers taxable.

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RE: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan? - 10/2/2009 1:40:28 PM   
Archer


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Status: offline 		Why would you think that since Employer provided healthcare is not taxable income now?

Unless I missed something in the bill which is entirely possible.

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RE: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan? - 10/2/2009 1:53:33 PM   
Archer


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Status: offline 		Not saying the bill is a great idea or even a good one really it's a small thing and pretty narrow, but it is something that the GOP proposed and thus a part of their "plan" as disjointed as it may be at the moment.

I'm just pointing out the fact that the republicans have offered up proposals. They have offered them up and they have been summarily dismissed by the Pelosi /Reid alliance as not going far enough. or in a case or two items in them have been co-opted into one of more of the democratic bills with less than due credit.
Things like the tax on "premium level insurance plans".


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RE: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan? - 10/2/2009 3:19:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		The dems will not go the reconciliation route. It is against senate rules to use that tactic except for budget matters. If the dems break the Senate rules to ram this through, all hell will break out.

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RE: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan? - 10/2/2009 7:06:30 PM   
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They have offered them up and they have been summarily dismissed by the Pelosi /Reid alliance as not going far enough.


Do they then have (or plan to have) a plan that does go far enough? Or is their position that they don't want health care to go that far? In which case, wouldn't it be fair to say they oppose the coverage (in that instance)?

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RE: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan? - 10/2/2009 8:07:49 PM   
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The dems will not go the reconciliation route. It is against senate rules to use that tactic except for budget matters. If the dems break the Senate rules to ram this through, all hell will break out.
ORIGINAL: servantforuse


You mean the calm, rational, reasonable discourse the right wing has been indulging in will end and things will start to get nasty? Oh heaven forbid!


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RE: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan? - 10/2/2009 8:53:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Great idea. Let the fuckers die. Dog eats dog. It's a jungle out there, and God told you so. If you can't afford healtcare, it means that you are poor, and therefore, morally bankrupt, so curl up and die on the wayside: that's evolution for ya!



Hey, Kitten?  I came across something interesting.  It seems that people who automatically label any thought, idea, worldview, or paradigm other than their own with the most vicious interpetrations and hate-labels are called xenophobes.  I just thought that was funny, because I see you use that word too.

Irony makes me laugh.   

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RE: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan? - 10/2/2009 9:38:24 PM   
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Hey, Kitten? I came across something interesting. It seems that people who automatically label any thought, idea, worldview, or paradigm other than their own with the most vicious interpetrations and hate-labels are called xenophobes. I just thought that was funny, because I see you use that word too.
ORIGINAL: TheHeretic




That's funny, Heretic. I thought they were called conservatives.


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RE: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan? - 10/2/2009 10:37:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales
That's funny, Heretic. I thought they were called conservatives.


Perhaps a better dictionary?

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RE: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan? - 10/3/2009 5:15:21 AM   
SpinnerofTales


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Perhaps a better dictionary? ORIGINAL: TheHeretic




Perhaps better conservatives?

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RE: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan? - 10/3/2009 5:27:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
Hey, Kitten?  I came across something interesting.  It seems that people who automatically label any thought, idea, worldview, or paradigm other than their own with the most vicious interpetrations and hate-labels are called xenophobes.  I just thought that was funny, because I see you use that word too.

Irony makes me laugh.   


Really? And there was me thinking that xenophobia is an irrational fear and hatred of foreigners.

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