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RE: Dems: GOP rooting against America - 10/5/2009 12:33:30 PM   
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To be fair, I don't think Los Angeles or Atlanta made a loss on it.

Atlanta actually came out pretty good on the gamble, yes. The operative word, however, remains "gamble". And remember, when we're talking about Chicago, we're talking about Chicago politics.

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RE: Dems: GOP rooting against America - 10/5/2009 12:41:19 PM   
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Let me tell you how it looks from where I sit on one of the worst days I've had in a long time.... I spent the morning laying off the 6 people on my team while the other 2 team leaders did the same to their teams.

I'm sorry, DK... that sucks, I know. No matter what the circumstances are, when it's not for cause it just sucks.

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RE: Dems: GOP rooting against America - 10/5/2009 12:42:01 PM   
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The rest of your post was partisan posturing. I don't recall hearing much about the Democrats pushing Chicago's bid, either. Frankly, I would be inclined to think it was pretty much a non-issue for both sides before the depth of the current economic situation, and more worryingly what may potentially be ahead for us, became clear. But in any case, as I pointed out in my response to the subject of this thread, I don't think the Olympics per se really has much to do with it.


The difference is, while the democrats didn't push the issue, they didn't break out into hysterical sobs when the bid was rejected. I agree that the Olympics per se didn't have much to do with it. This is why the uproarious applause when it became a possible rock to hurl at Obama, even if it meant America lost out to Rio, can give the perception that there is a "failure is ok as long as we can use it" attitude.

But hey, don't even give it a moment's thought. The only paritisans are on the left. The right is filled with saints. The GOP will regain the majority in '10. There is nothing that the GOP needs to do to repair itself. And santa will bring you a puppy for christmas. All is well.

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RE: Dems: GOP rooting against America - 10/5/2009 12:44:05 PM   
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they didn't break out into hysterical sobs when the bid was rejected.


What is "GOP rooting against America" if not representing a "hysterical sob"?

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RE: Dems: GOP rooting against America - 10/5/2009 12:44:17 PM   
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 This isn't about agreeing or disagreeing with the administration. This is about people who cheer at the fact that the administration is facing serious problems. So, what's YOUR explanation for applauding with glee when bad shit happens? Is it a sign of mental imbalance, lack of maturity, and moral ineptitude? I reckon it is.
Mental imbalance, lack of maturity, moral ineptitude?  Is that how you explain Michael Moore, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, et.al when they were talking about how "patriotic" it was to decry the Bush administration and "Bush's America"?

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RE: Dems: GOP rooting against America - 10/5/2009 12:44:54 PM   
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The only paritisans are on the left. The right is filled with saints. The GOP will regain the majority in '10. There is nothing that the GOP needs to do to repair itself. And santa will bring you a puppy for christmas. All is well.


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RE: Dems: GOP rooting against America - 10/5/2009 12:47:43 PM   
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 This isn't about agreeing or disagreeing with the administration. This is about people who cheer at the fact that the administration is facing serious problems. So, what's YOUR explanation for applauding with glee when bad shit happens? Is it a sign of mental imbalance, lack of maturity, and moral ineptitude? I reckon it is.
Mental imbalance, lack of maturity, moral ineptitude?  Is that how you explain Michael Moore, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, et.al when they were talking about how "patriotic" it was to decry the Bush administration and "Bush's America"?


Does it make you rejoice that there's bad shit happening, and that a Democrat has been clearing up the mess your guy left :-) ? If you cross the "yes" box, the post of mine that you quote from applies to you.

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RE: Dems: GOP rooting against America - 10/5/2009 12:48:42 PM   
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 This isn't about agreeing or disagreeing with the administration. This is about people who cheer at the fact that the administration is facing serious problems. So, what's YOUR explanation for applauding with glee when bad shit happens? Is it a sign of mental imbalance, lack of maturity, and moral ineptitude? I reckon it is.
Mental imbalance, lack of maturity, moral ineptitude?  Is that how you explain Michael Moore, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, et.al when they were talking about how "patriotic" it was to decry the Bush administration and "Bush's America"?

How is celebrating that people would lose their jobs and that other people would not get new jobs in any way comparable to decrying a politician's positions?

It is definitely patriotic and respectable to express your difference of opinion with a politician. Celebrating the bad fortune of your fellow Americans is not patriotic or respactable.

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RE: Dems: GOP rooting against America - 10/5/2009 12:51:44 PM   
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Unh, because some people (including a lot of Chicagoans) viewed it as a financial gamble that could blow up in our faces. Note, for example, the analysis in Time. What the fuck is so sinister about reasonable people holding different views, and being glad to see them prevail?

K


There is nothing wrong with reasonable people holding different views and being glad to see them prevail. However, there is a perception that the GOP has decided to take every Obama failure as a personal victory. I think this will be one of their difficulties in the upcomming elections. I do not think it is only democrats who have this perception that the GOP would rather see the country get worse than Obama have a victory. I do, however, think that it will be argued by conservatives that the very idea of this perception is completely unfounded and paranoid. What remains to be seen is how the independents, who hold all modern elections in their hands, end up thinking.
Sort of like the perception the republicans had that the Democratic party would rather see the country get worse than allow Bush a victory?  Gee...some conservatives will argue that the perception is unfounded and paranoid...just like it was argued that conservatives were paranoid and their beliefs were unfounded as we listened to the praises sung of Michael Moore's cinematic brilliance and Al Gore's ever-so-truthful mock...errrrrrrrrr, documentary about Global Warming....and Dan Rather came out with "the facts" about Bush's time in the military. 

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RE: Dems: GOP rooting against America - 10/5/2009 12:52:58 PM   
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RE: Dems: GOP rooting against America - 10/5/2009 12:59:11 PM   
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RE: Dems: GOP rooting against America - 10/5/2009 12:59:36 PM   
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 This isn't about agreeing or disagreeing with the administration. This is about people who cheer at the fact that the administration is facing serious problems. So, what's YOUR explanation for applauding with glee when bad shit happens? Is it a sign of mental imbalance, lack of maturity, and moral ineptitude? I reckon it is.
Mental imbalance, lack of maturity, moral ineptitude?  Is that how you explain Michael Moore, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, et.al when they were talking about how "patriotic" it was to decry the Bush administration and "Bush's America"?

How is celebrating that people would lose their jobs and that other people would not get new jobs in any way comparable to decrying a politician's positions?

It is definitely patriotic and respectable to express your difference of opinion with a politician. Celebrating the bad fortune of your fellow Americans is not patriotic or respactable.
No one is celebrating the bad fortune of fellow Americans...as a matter of fact, I hate the fact that Obama's policies...doomed to failure...left Americans in the lurch.  And if celebrating an administration's failures is also celebrating the results---your conclusion, not mine...then wouldn't their celebration of Bush's failures also be their celebration of the results of whatever his failures were?

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RE: Dems: GOP rooting against America - 10/5/2009 1:00:48 PM   
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NOBODY could come out with facts about Bush's time IN the military, there wasn't any.

Ron
And yet...the "facts" brought forward led to Dan Rather's dismissal.

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RE: Dems: GOP rooting against America - 10/5/2009 1:04:27 PM   
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NOBODY could come out with facts about Bush's time IN the military, there wasn't any.

Ron
And yet...the "facts" brought forward led to Dan Rather's dismissal.




So, what does one have to do with another? What Dan Rathers 'facts' were that led to his dismissal, have no bearing on the fact that George W Bush was an AWOL.

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RE: Dems: GOP rooting against America - 10/5/2009 1:07:14 PM   
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Sort of like the perception the republicans had that the Democratic party would rather see the country get worse than allow Bush a victory? Gee...some conservatives will argue that the perception is unfounded and paranoid...just like it was argued that conservatives were paranoid and their beliefs were unfounded as we listened to the praises sung of Michael Moore's cinematic brilliance and Al Gore's ever-so-truthful mock...errrrrrrrrr, documentary about Global Warming....and Dan Rather came out with "the facts" about Bush's time in the military.


Congratulations, CD! You are the winner of the "whine about how Bush was treated" competition for this thread! You win a copy of the new DVD "We don't have to do it right because they did it wrong!" Thanks for playing.

As for your core theory...I don't much remember much cheering about the boys who died in Iraq because we were in a purposeless war that was being waged with incredible stupidity. When the economic policies Bush championed aided in the meltdown of our economy, I don't remember the applause as we watched wall street fall. In fact, I don't recall a single spontanious outpouring of approval when anything bad happened to our country. We were all rather upset about it.

But hey....stick with the victim schtick. It looks good on you.

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RE: Dems: GOP rooting against America - 10/5/2009 1:19:36 PM   
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No one is celebrating the bad fortune of fellow Americans...as a matter of fact, I hate the fact that Obama's policies...doomed to failure...left Americans in the lurch.  And if celebrating an administration's failures is also celebrating the results---your conclusion, not mine...then wouldn't their celebration of Bush's failures also be their celebration of the results of whatever his failures were?

Do I need to post the vids of the people applauding when it was announced? Or the archived web pages celebrating the loss?

Has there ever been a case where a significant number of americans celebrated the failure of such a endeavour before?

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RE: Dems: GOP rooting against America - 10/5/2009 1:56:31 PM   
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Has there ever been a case where a significant number of americans celebrated the failure of such a endeavor before?
Has there been a case where an American President put himself, or the nation, in a position for this to occur?

Not on the level of the Olympics for sure, but would Vietnam retreat be representative? I'm old enough to remember people "celebrating" that failure; complete with video of soldiers coming back to signs labeling them "baby killers".

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RE: Dems: GOP rooting against America - 10/5/2009 2:05:08 PM   
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RE: Dems: GOP rooting against America - 10/5/2009 2:13:21 PM   
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Has there ever been a case where a significant number of americans celebrated the failure of such a endeavor before?
Has there been a case where an American President put himself, or the nation, in a position for this to occur?

Not on the level of the Olympics for sure, but would Vietnam retreat be representative? I'm old enough to remember people "celebrating" that failure; complete with video of soldiers coming back to signs labeling them "baby killers".



Even if what you say is correct, Merc, and it by no means is, you're saying that you have to reach back in history nearly 4 decades to find behavior that approaches that of the modern day republicans. That's something to be proud of. Further, the celebration was not over America losing the Viet Nam war. It was over us finally getting out of that war. I know you will refuse to see the difference but it does exist.

As for a closer examination of more recent history, I gave a number of examples of failure in the past administration and I still don't remember a lot of cheering because those bad things meant a change of majority party.

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RE: Dems: GOP rooting against America - 10/5/2009 2:28:12 PM   
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Even if what you say is correct, Merc, and it by no means is, you're saying that you have to reach back in history nearly 4 decades to find behavior that approaches that of the modern day republicans. That's something to be proud of. Further, the celebration was not over America losing the Viet Nam war. It was over us finally getting out of that war. I know you will refuse to see the difference but it does exist.

Needing to spin the answer doesn't change it. The answer was off the top of my head, and the reference was what I remember seeing first hand. You assigned "pride" in what I remember; I found it reprehensible. Just like now, in fact more so considering many were drafted into service, the service men and woman deserved better from everyone - even those celebrating their President's failure. How warped and politically motivated must you be to assign your bigoted, party based, prejudices to everyone else?

I asked a question to illustrate a public failure by a President. I couldn't think of any so public, and single issue. Would President Bush's attempt at privatizing Social Security qualify? I remember plenty of "celebration" and relief on that issue. Not speaking, for or against the issue, but wanting to know what fits into your obviously very limited parameters regarding when and what happened.

I didn't put it in political party terms. Obviously it is your intent to do so. I never realized there were so many "modern day republicans" until this thread pointed to all the criticism, celebration, and dissent being shown and reported in various media sources.

ALL these people are "GOP rooting against America"? Wow, not that's an unexpected Obama accomplishment that wasn't affected by his limited time in office!

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