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Moonhead -> RE: The Conservative Bible (10/7/2009 9:45:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales Just look at the bibles that say “God the parent” instead of “God the father” and you’ll see what I mean. According to my rabbi, who is a scholar, the original term is not "God our Heavenly Father" but translates more accurately into "Our motherly father" and the patriarchal translations were so done to convey political/patriarchal feelings at the time. The original shows the duality of God, the encompassing nature in as much as I can remember of his sermon. Scholars in liturgical Hebrew did not write the King James. That was a translation from the Vulgate Latin, which was a translation from classical Latin, which was a translation from Greek, which was a translation from Aramaic, which was a translation from ancient liturgical Hebrew which is a language without vowels or punctuation. Basically it was a game of telephone where enormous errors entered in over the two thousand years. Very true. I've always felt it's the attempts to resolve this sort of fuzziness through excessive translations into clear and sharp English that gives the King James version its snap, though. There's a delight in language there that you just don't get from the Good News Bible, which was touted as being a lot more accurate (and comprehensible, obviously). Kitara: I hear you. Sadly the Religious right (and even the barking mad elements of the Religious right) have bossed the Republican party since Reagan started licking his lips when they unzipped their flies in 1980. That's an even worse legacy for the lad than his deficit, I'd have said. It really wasn't a good idea to start courting these people, and it's done the Republicans no favours at all, even if it has provided a solid core of voters who wouldn't dream of voting for anybody else.

elegantcdgoddess -> RE: The Conservative Bible (10/7/2009 9:49:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: elegantcdgoddess quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig ~FR~ quote: "There was a reading from the gospel, and the pronoun used to refer to a child in this translation was 'it'," he said. "So this translation of the gospel referred to a child as an 'it,' a thing. And that is liberal, it's offensive and it's incorrect." Why is referring to a child of unspecified gender as "it" liberal? I would have thought that was simply grammatically correct. I guess it just shows the extremes that people will go to, to turn anything into a left vs right problem. And true conservative should make few versions of bible. In my humble oppinion they need PG-13, and R at least. Right needs to act to prevent our innocent children from being exposed to graphic violence and sexual acts. I dont think there is any true right wingnut who will allow his or hers child to even look at old testament. Probably liberal left added that. Daddy what did Ham do to naked drunk Noah in Genesis 9? You can argue left vs. right in bible forever, lol. Maybe if you explain what a "true conservative" is, this will make more sense. Oh and where are they teaching kids graphic violence and sexual acts. I must have missed that sunday. Go figure. Seriously? Genesis. Including sex with minor, incest, sex with drunk person, rape. Now for graphic violence, hmmm. Entire Revelation maybe? Including stripping naked, killing, eating human flesh, cooking human flesh. It is book people, what is the big issue. One of the greatest literature of the human civilization.

Kirata -> RE: The Conservative Bible (10/7/2009 9:53:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead Kitara: I hear you.... Off topic, but forgive me. What is it with this "Kitara" shit? Spinner, you fucker, cover your face when you sneeze! K.

Moonhead -> RE: The Conservative Bible (10/7/2009 9:54:38 AM)
I remember seeing an interview with Lou Reed from the late '80s (I think he was plugging New York at the time) where he suggested the Bible as the ideal book to start with if you're going to start banning stuff. he probably isn't far wrong: the Song of Solomon is just the sort of salacious smut that encourages teen pregnancies, isn't it?

kdsub -> RE: The Conservative Bible (10/7/2009 9:54:39 AM)
If you take the votes in the article you will see that 70 percent consider themselves religious and 80 percent are thumbs down with a translation...so why insinuate this as a conservative majority movement?..Just another crackpot...heh he would fit in here just fine. Butch sorry this was to the OP

Moonhead -> RE: The Conservative Bible (10/7/2009 9:56:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead Kitara: I hear you.... Off topic, but forgive me. What is it with this "Kitara" shit? Spinner, you fucker, cover your face when you sneeze! K. Sorry. There's a fictional character of that name, and I'm occasionally prone to spoonerisms. I beg your pardon.

Kirata -> RE: The Conservative Bible (10/7/2009 10:08:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead Sorry. There's a fictional character of that name, and I'm occasionally prone to spoonerisms. I beg your pardon. Really? I always thought it was just carelessness. It never occurred to me to look it up! BTW, according to Wikipedia... Kitara can refer to: Empire of Kitara - a kingdom founded by the Bachwezi Dynasty. Kitara - the nickname for the Sapporo Concert Hall. Kitara (musical instrument), a 3rd Bridge zither created by Harry Partch I guess if its the name of a fictional character too, they must have missed that one (though the Empire of Kitara appears to be myth). Take it easy and have a good day. No hard feelings, was just sayin... [:D] K.

Kirata -> RE: The Conservative Bible (10/7/2009 10:29:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery I was (and really still am, I suppose) moderate.... Yanno, I don't know what I am, just "me" I suppose. On political quizzes (you may want to sit down) my score always tends to fall somewhat off-center into the Liberal/Libertarian sectors. K.

Musicmystery -> RE: The Conservative Bible (10/7/2009 10:32:42 AM)
Yes--I suspect you, like me, and probably like many, are much more of an "issue by issue" thinker, not a piece of a platform. Live well, Tim

Moonhead -> RE: The Conservative Bible (10/7/2009 10:36:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead Sorry. There's a fictional character of that name, and I'm occasionally prone to spoonerisms. I beg your pardon. Really? I always thought it was just carelessness. It never occurred to me to look it up! BTW, according to Wikipedia... Kitara can refer to: Empire of Kitara - a kingdom founded by the Bachwezi Dynasty. Kitara - the nickname for the Sapporo Concert Hall. Kitara (musical instrument), a 3rd Bridge zither created by Harry Partch I guess if its the name of a fictional character too, they must have missed that one (though the Empire of Kitara appears to be myth). Take it easy and have a good day. No hard feelings, was just sayin... [:D] K. No worries, Kirata. Very bad manners on my part.

thishereboi -> RE: The Conservative Bible (10/7/2009 10:49:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: elegantcdgoddess Seriously? Genesis. Including sex with minor, incest, sex with drunk person, rape. Now for graphic violence, hmmm. Entire Revelation maybe? Including stripping naked, killing, eating human flesh, cooking human flesh. It is book people, what is the big issue. One of the greatest literature of the human civilization. I didn't ask for bible passages, I asked what church you went to where they taught you that in sunday school? I still remember most of the stories they taught us, but nothing like what you are talking about. Oh and I asked for your definition of a "true conservative".

Kirata -> RE: The Conservative Bible (10/7/2009 12:57:57 PM)
~ FR ~ Apropos my earlier comment, I just found this gem of self-serving blather in "The Trustworthy Encyclopedia". a conservative is willing to learn and advocate the insights of economics and the morality of the Bible for the benefit of all Somebody shoot me. K.

tazzygirl -> RE: The Conservative Bible (10/7/2009 1:07:27 PM)
~grins is that a command, Master Kirata?

DomKen -> RE: The Conservative Bible (10/7/2009 1:30:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: elegantcdgoddess Seriously? Genesis. Including sex with minor, incest, sex with drunk person, rape. Now for graphic violence, hmmm. Entire Revelation maybe? Including stripping naked, killing, eating human flesh, cooking human flesh. It is book people, what is the big issue. One of the greatest literature of the human civilization. I didn't ask for bible passages, I asked what church you went to where they taught you that in sunday school? I still remember most of the stories they taught us, but nothing like what you are talking about. Oh and I asked for your definition of a "true conservative". Actually as a child going to Baptist Sunday school I was encouraged to read the bible verse by verse, had a chapter a day textbook to go along with it. Now IIRC the authors of the textbook tried to put a spin on the more egregiously vile and despicable stuff but I remember quite clearly asking my Sunday school teacher what the crowd was supposed to be doing with Lot's daughter's so as to let him talk to the angels in peace and quiet. Of course around the time I was 9 or 10 I got bored with a chapter at a time and read the whole thing. It's what got my kicked out of church. I dared ask the preacher why god sent bears to rend 40 children to pieces for making fun of a bald prophet and my 'impertinence' earned me a grabbed ear which got him a kick which got me a backhand at which point my father invited the preacher to slap him instead if he was man enough.

DomKen -> RE: The Conservative Bible (10/7/2009 1:33:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata ~ FR ~ Apropos my earlier comment, I just found this gem of self-serving blather in "The Trustworthy Encyclopedia". a conservative is willing to learn and advocate the insights of economics and the morality of the Bible for the benefit of all Somebody shoot me. K. The Conservapedia and this conservative's Bible are creations of the same man. Andrew Schafly. He's the son of Phyllis Schaffly who runs the Eagle Forum, claims sole credit for defeating the ERA and is one of craziest conservatives out there.

Kirata -> RE: The Conservative Bible (10/7/2009 2:09:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen The Conservapedia and this conservative's Bible are creations of the same man. Andrew Schafly. He's the son of Phyllis Schaffly who runs the Eagle Forum, claims sole credit for defeating the ERA and is one of craziest conservatives out there. In my view, if things have come to the point where people who apparently favor a Christian Theocracy are called "conservatives" then the word is no longer of any use in intelligent discourse. K.

Moonhead -> RE: The Conservative Bible (10/7/2009 2:43:57 PM)
You do wonder what they're conserving, true enough.

DomKen -> RE: The Conservative Bible (10/7/2009 4:04:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen The Conservapedia and this conservative's Bible are creations of the same man. Andrew Schafly. He's the son of Phyllis Schaffly who runs the Eagle Forum, claims sole credit for defeating the ERA and is one of craziest conservatives out there. In my view, if things have come to the point where people who apparently favor a Christian Theocracy are called "conservatives" then the word is no longer of any use in intelligent discourse. K. I tried for a lng time to call them the Religious Right, which IMO is a better description, but I got complaints about how that had negative connotations. Then I used Christian Reconstructionists and Dominionists and got called a conspiracy theorist. I doubt lunatic evangelicals will be view more favorably and considering how it is increasingly difficult to tell when the theocratic right leadership ends and the mainstream conservative leadership starts...

kdsub -> RE: The Conservative Bible (10/7/2009 4:23:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen The Conservapedia and this conservative's Bible are creations of the same man. Andrew Schafly. He's the son of Phyllis Schaffly who runs the Eagle Forum, claims sole credit for defeating the ERA and is one of craziest conservatives out there. In my view, if things have come to the point where people who apparently favor a Christian Theocracy are called "conservatives" then the word is no longer of any use in intelligent discourse. K. There is never an intelligent discourse on religion...as improvable and undeniable there is too much room for arrogance on both sides as to the existence of deities. It is best to keep religion in your heart and actions and your mouth shut. Let others make their own decisions and find their own way through life. I only defend my religion not try to convince anyone else to follow my beliefs. I am wise Butch

Kirata -> RE: The Conservative Bible (10/7/2009 5:10:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen I tried for a lng time to call them the Religious Right, which IMO is a better description, but I got complaints about how that had negative connotations. Well, that's not an unfair objection. Simply being religious and conservative in one's politics is not really what we're trying to characterize. It's their sanctimonious presumption of moral superiority that galls. How about, the Righteous Right? K.

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