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RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purcha... - 10/21/2009 1:10:25 PM   
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Nope, nothing to do with not liking what is brought up, its the way its brought up... Im laughing because what I see is my perception of a couple of petulent children... I may be wrong in your eyes but its my opinion and Im  expressing it...



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RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purcha... - 10/21/2009 1:23:29 PM   
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Where did the race card come from? Race was not mentioned by the Checketts group as a factor in dropping Limbaugh:

Checketts, the chairman of SCP Worldwide, announced that Limbaugh had been dumped toward the end of a news release.
"It has become clear that his involvement in our group has become a complication and a distraction to our intentions; endangering our bid to keep the team in St. Louis," Checketts said. "As such, we have decided to move forward without him and hope it will eventually lead us to a successful conclusion."

Of course Roger Goodell said the commentator's "divisive" comments would not be tolerated from any NFL insider, so it would only have been a matter of time before Rush was given the boot seeing as how divisive comments are what puts the money in his bank account.


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RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purcha... - 10/21/2009 1:55:41 PM   
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Nope, nothing to do with not liking what is brought up, its the way its brought up... Im laughing because what I see is my perception of a couple of petulent children... I may be wrong in your eyes but its my opinion and Im  expressing it...


Then you might want to take a look at comments made by rule and several on your side of the aisle in this thread and then look at mine again and see who sounds more like a child.  Then, as you suggested to boi, take a look in the mirror and ask yourself why it is you always come down on your side of the aisle, no matter how childishly they argue when presented with facts, repetitively or not.

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RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purcha... - 10/21/2009 2:26:02 PM   
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As usual when it comes to political threads, there are enough people on both sides acting like children that it's not even worth trying to figure out who "won" that particular competition.  It would be nice if everyone just stopped and asked "does this make me look like a reasonable adult or a cranky child" and editing where appropriate before clicking the OK button. 

I suppose I might as well wish for it to rain diamonds.

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RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purcha... - 10/21/2009 2:28:02 PM   
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Give me a break CD...If you would like me to rebuke anyone who offended me in this forum I would never get around to doing anything else.

I  respect more than a few on the "right" in this forum, because they bring something other than politics to the table. I respect a lot of the left side because of the same, but Im sure as hell not going to respond to everyone after every single  post, rebuking or applauding just because you think im one sided.
I come down on the left side mostly because that is how I vote, think and live my life.
Our realities are totally different... doesnt mean either of us is wrong or that we should live the way the other does...
Both of us can act somewhat childishly .... mr pinnochio....




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RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purcha... - 10/21/2009 2:34:27 PM   
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Sorry Madame 11, I didnt see your post, ..Lucy behave now...no corner time wanted, thanks:)

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RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purcha... - 10/21/2009 6:13:14 PM   
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Sharpton would ask to be rectally probed by space aliens on prime time TV if he though he could get on prime time TV.

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RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purcha... - 10/21/2009 6:15:37 PM   
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Sharpton would ask to be rectally probed by space aliens on prime time TV if he though he could get on prime time TV.


Hahahahahahahahaha

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RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purcha... - 10/22/2009 8:28:48 AM   
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Interesting opportunity ,post NFL-bid for Rush,the Texas Rangers are available.Perhaps Rush should look into buying Bush's old  baseball team....i'm not sure MLB would be any more welcoming than the NFL...but if nothing else it would keep the fat man in the eye of the storm...and we all know how much he needs that.
By the way....go Yankees!!!!!!!!!

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RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purcha... - 10/22/2009 9:04:46 AM   
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I'm saying the veracity of his statement is null and void in your world because he used the word black. Take it out of his quote however, and some, probably you among them would cry racism anyway because McNabb happens to be black.

Rabid. Foaming at the mouth. And if anything, a following quote nails it perfectly.

"It means "I got my fat ass fired from ESPN because I don't know when to keep my racist comments to myself". "

There is so much wrong with that statement and the mindset that fosters it that explaining what and why is hopeless.



Yes Stranger, you are definitely the intellectual voice of reason here, giving your non-partisan, non-biased, non-prejudiced viewpoints.

And let me just take a moment to thank you for that.

Although I'm sorry to disappoint you, but when I hear a fat, racist prick being a fat, racist prick I'm going to say he is a fat, racist prick.






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RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purcha... - 10/22/2009 9:14:30 AM   
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I see. So by that same logic when we fire Obama in 2012 it will also be proof that he is a racist.



Only if you have some racist quotes made by him.

Not the exact quote (which can be found)..."My grandmother was a typical white person..."
Are white people typical?


Wow.

You truly can try to stretch any innocent remark into something sinister.

You've missed your true calling.

I would consider a second career at Fox News.

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RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purcha... - 10/22/2009 9:35:20 AM   
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It really isn't all that difficult to understand, rule...especially when you consider what the term "racist" means.
To start with:
  • based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks"
  • a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others
  • discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion
    wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

    Now then, can you tell me how stating that someone is being hyped by the media because he is black (which hits at the media, not the person) fits in with the above?  Does the remark indicate that Rush feels he is superior to McNabb because he...Rush...is white?  Nope.  Does the remark keep McNabb from doing his job or living in a manner he wants to?  Nope.

    Let's go further.
    Racism is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race. ...
    Does the remark made by Rush in any way indicate a belief that only white quarterbacks are any good or that white quarterbacks are superior to black quarterbacks?  Nope.  It slams the media for wanting a black quarterback to succeed and therefore attributing more of the credit to McNabb for the Eagle's success than to the team which deserved it.

    Let's go further.
  • racism - the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races
  • racism - discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race

    Again, did Rush's remark state that he believed whites are better than blacks?  Was it implied in any way?  Or was it a slam at the mindset of the media?
    Did his remark discriminate against McNabb...hold him down from seeking out his career, stop him from continuing on with his career, could it reasonably be construed as causing him emotional or mental trauma?  Nope.  If any of this were true, he'd have been hauled into court by a D. A. seeking to make a name for himself since discrimination based on color or religion is illegal.

    Finally, let's look at this...
    Playing the race card is an idiomatic phrase that refers to the act of bringing the issue of race or racism into a debate, perhaps to obfuscate ...

    Of course, the left doesn't do this...obfuscate.
    "If you are against Obama, you must be a racist"
    "If you feel that the media is elevating a quarterback because they desperately want a black quarterback to succeed, you must be racist"

    The NFL doesn't do this either...obfuscate...
    (paraphrasing) We must uphold a certain moral standard for the owners of our teams...this is why we cannot have someone as controversial as Rush owning a team. 
    Ummmmmmmmmmm yeah...because Fergie...an entertainer who gets drunk and then urinates on herself on stage and laughs about it...is such a much better choice.



  • That was certainly a fine piece of diversion.

  • My compliments to you.

  • Now, instead of going "further" maybe we can take a step back and you can answer my original question.

  • Why was there any reason for Limbaugh to bring race into the discussion?                                                                                                                                                         

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    RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purcha... - 10/22/2009 10:40:22 AM   
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    Iwould challenge anyone out there to find one instance where Rush acted in a racist manner.


    One instance?  I could spend all day finding you instances.  But this is on point:

    In 2003, Limbaugh worked briefly on ESPN's NFL pregame show. He resigned after saying Philadelphia EaglesDonovan McNabb was overrated because the media wanted to see a black quarterback succeed.


    (Rev. Al Sharpton urges NFL to reject Rush Limbaugh's St. Louis ...)






    you need to look up the definition of racist.


    Ohhhhhhh Willlbeuuuuuur!

    I did, and they showed a picture of some bloated fat-ass sitting behind a microphone with a cigar sticking out of his mouth.

    But more to the point, why was he forced to resign if the comments he made weren't being interpreted by everyone as being racist?



    His investment wasn't worth the character assasination.

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    RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purcha... - 10/22/2009 10:41:36 AM   
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    Looks like Al The tool bag can dish it but he cant take it http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2009/10/17/2009-10-17_rev_al_sharpton_threatens_to_sue_rush_limbaugh_over_wall_street_journal_oped.html

    Two race baiters going at it. WIN! WIN!


    The difference is while Sharpton spoke about Limbaugh in general terms, Rush accused Sharpton of specific incidents that he claims not to have a part in.

    So he may have a case.  And I wouldn't be surprised to hear an apology from Limbaugh.


    Never happen, and Sharpton has no case because he clearly did have a role in everything he was accused of.

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    RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purcha... - 10/22/2009 10:42:26 AM   
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    He would have to possess a character for your statement to carry any moral turpitude.

    He plays a character on the radio, not the same as having any.

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    RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purcha... - 10/22/2009 10:43:22 AM   
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    Sharpton pushed the issue well after it was established that it was a BS case.


    And has never apologized.

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    RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purcha... - 10/22/2009 10:44:14 AM   
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    well, alotta people don't apologize, so there isn't much of a point there, is there?



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    RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purcha... - 10/22/2009 10:47:02 AM   
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    Because they were offensive...to the media bigwigs and his co-hosts?  He was chiding the media for building up a black quarterback to a greater extent than he deserved simply because he was black and the media refused to see the same faults that they would crucify white quarterbacks for.  Did he use the opportunity to snipe at the media's liberal causes for one class of perceived "victims" of society?  Yes, he did.  Was it the time or place?  No, probably not.  Does that make it racist or does that make him capable of making a stupid mistake while trying to follow his own principles?


    First, he didn't need to inject race into the issue.  There are a lot players who get too much media hype and are overrated.

    The fact he did suggests racism and the reason he is no longer on ESPN.


    Suggests racism?  Are we now to be monitored, in this politically correct world, for what our words suggest?  Dangerously close to "thought police" isn't it when you can decipher a person's character based on what his words DON'T state but rather suggest?


    There is a rather rabid segment of society who needs racism involved with any action of a conservative and any criticism of Obama. So much so they seem quite willing to act as thought police while screaming free speech on the other side of the board they're carrying. You know the board, the two-sided doom and gloom placard usually worn by wild haired fanatics preaching the end of the world from city streets, the same people who have lost their grasp on anything resembling logic and sanity.



    I'm sorry, I'm a little confused here.

    Limbaugh makes statements that McNabb is being overrated because he is is black and neither of you believe these are racist comments?

    I really LOVE this new conservative parallel universe where someone can make racist comments and those who criticize those comments are then defined as the racists.



    I thought you said you looked up "racist"? No, it isnt a racist comment, unless the race he's demeaning is the race of every sportswriter who overrates McNabb (in RL's opinion)...ie every race.

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    RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purcha... - 10/22/2009 10:52:24 AM   
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    I see. So by that same logic when we fire Obama in 2012 it will also be proof that he is a racist.



    Only if you have some racist quotes made by him.



    Read his books. Plenty of racist comments in them.

    Then add in his grandmother being a "typical white person" (far more racist than anything that RL has ever said), his racist associations etc and youve got far more fodder than RL's show.

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    RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purcha... - 10/22/2009 12:24:52 PM   
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    It really isn't all that difficult to understand, rule...especially when you consider what the term "racist" means.
    To start with:
  • based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks"
  • a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others
  • discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion
    wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

    Now then, can you tell me how stating that someone is being hyped by the media because he is black (which hits at the media, not the person) fits in with the above?  Does the remark indicate that Rush feels he is superior to McNabb because he...Rush...is white?  Nope.  Does the remark keep McNabb from doing his job or living in a manner he wants to?  Nope.

    Let's go further.
    Racism is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race. ...
    Does the remark made by Rush in any way indicate a belief that only white quarterbacks are any good or that white quarterbacks are superior to black quarterbacks?  Nope.  It slams the media for wanting a black quarterback to succeed and therefore attributing more of the credit to McNabb for the Eagle's success than to the team which deserved it.

    Let's go further.
  • racism - the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races
  • racism - discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race

    Again, did Rush's remark state that he believed whites are better than blacks?  Was it implied in any way?  Or was it a slam at the mindset of the media?
    Did his remark discriminate against McNabb...hold him down from seeking out his career, stop him from continuing on with his career, could it reasonably be construed as causing him emotional or mental trauma?  Nope.  If any of this were true, he'd have been hauled into court by a D. A. seeking to make a name for himself since discrimination based on color or religion is illegal.

    Finally, let's look at this...
    Playing the race card is an idiomatic phrase that refers to the act of bringing the issue of race or racism into a debate, perhaps to obfuscate ...

    Of course, the left doesn't do this...obfuscate.
    "If you are against Obama, you must be a racist"
    "If you feel that the media is elevating a quarterback because they desperately want a black quarterback to succeed, you must be racist"

    The NFL doesn't do this either...obfuscate...
    (paraphrasing) We must uphold a certain moral standard for the owners of our teams...this is why we cannot have someone as controversial as Rush owning a team. 
    Ummmmmmmmmmm yeah...because Fergie...an entertainer who gets drunk and then urinates on herself on stage and laughs about it...is such a much better choice.




  • That was certainly a fine piece of diversion.

  • My compliments to you.

  • Now, instead of going "further" maybe we can take a step back and you can answer my original question.

  • Why was there any reason for Limbaugh to bring race into the discussion?                                                                                                                                                         
  • Diversion?  No one is better at avoiding answering a straightforward question...without using insults...than you are rule.  You've yet to answer any question or come up with any defense other than the one you did about "a fat racist" not getting a football team.  Nice answer.

    To answer your question in a simply stated manner, since that appears that is what you are capable of understanding...
    Rush brought race into it to highlight the fact that the media was specifically looking for a black quarterback to succeed...not A quarterback but specifically a black quarterback.  The shot was first and foremost at the media and secondarily at McNabb's perceived abilities.

    As noted by me and by others on here, it was a stupid time to state it...a person should pick their battles...but the derogatory nature of the comment was at the media.

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