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Rochsub2009 -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/28/2009 8:09:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Blaakmaan


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ORIGINAL: JohnSteed1967

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ORIGINAL: EvilEyes269

Why do the black people on here have to choose between selecting "African American" (even if they're not American) or "Other"? Why does CM not want to use the word "Black"? Here in the UK it's ok to use the word but is it taboo in the States?


This is a sad state of affairs, Black people think that by calling themselves "African American" that some how they become better. I saw a black female comedian who said. "Ok So now I am African American, am I going to get that loan that I was turned down for last week, or when the cop stops me, what do I say "Officer I am African American not black, so you shouldn't have stopped me"

There was the case of the Black Harvard professor, Cop who deals with people all day long, and is going by the book and his training, follows the procedures of his department in handling an unknown situation. Next thing he know the professor is screaming that he is being attacked because he is black.

The most racist people in America today are not whites, they are blacks and hispanics



The "sad state of affairs" would be if somebody actually mistook what you just said for an enlightened opinion instead of the racist rant it is.

I was gonna let my nubian brotha handle this one, but it seems that he's off duty.


Actually, JohnSteed1967's comment was so silly, that it was best ignored rather than dignifying it with a response.

There is no cure for ignorance like his. 





GreedyTop -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/28/2009 10:22:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp

Best friend forever (though forever is loosely translated as until one of us becoes somehow less fabulous...)


I don't see that happening.. EVER :)




lronitulstahp -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/29/2009 4:13:18 AM)

i adore you chica....and so does she. Can't wait to see you Saturday!!!!




mnottertail -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/29/2009 7:52:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Rochsub2009
Now how do i go about reclaiming the 10 minutes it took me to read this thread?   ;-)



You can't it is gone forever. Consider it part of the 'Black experience'. LOL, glad to see you here, welcome.

Ron




ShadowSide -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/29/2009 4:52:14 PM)

Leave it alone bro. Our scholars wouldn't even have us in this discussion. Let it be among themselves.




devilishpixie -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/29/2009 5:04:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ShadowSide

Leave it alone bro. Our scholars wouldn't even have us in this discussion. Let it be among themselves.


I totally disagree with this statement, only through open communication can true understanding be reached.




ShadowSide -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/29/2009 5:17:54 PM)

Yes, open communication on subjects that haven't been discussed and re-discussed with no solution to it, even among our own. We know what we mean when we refer to any name heaped upon us.




Blaakmaan -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/30/2009 10:14:37 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Wolf2Bear

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ORIGINAL: Blaakmaan

"Black" and "white" are racial designations.




If that's the case...where does Human race fit into all this?



I don't know, but it is the case!




Blaakmaan -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/30/2009 10:18:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: devilishpixie

Ron,
Perhaps I am limiting myself in my perferences but that is not different than someone prefering blonds or a person with blue eyes or even someone within a certain age range.



Well, preferring blonds or blue eyes would be a racial preference, pretty much, since that highly correlates with Caucasian.

Anyway, I think it is different.

Racial "preferences" are often just racial "prejudices."

Not that any of this has anything to do with the OP.




Wolf2Bear -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/30/2009 10:29:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Blaakmaan


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ORIGINAL: devilishpixie

Ron,
Perhaps I am limiting myself in my perferences but that is not different than someone prefering blonds or a person with blue eyes or even someone within a certain age range.



Well, preferring blonds or blue eyes would be a racial preference, pretty much, since that highly correlates with Caucasian.

Anyway, I think it is different.

Racial "preferences" are often just racial "prejudices."

Not that any of this has anything to do with the OP.


Maybe it's my way of thinking but I think in terms of Human race. Which takes precedence  over a person being Asian, White, Black etc.
Yet when a person has a preference to blondes or blue eyes, that is simply a physical preference which is found when a person is describing a physical attraction to another.




Blaakmaan -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/30/2009 10:39:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: nubianmuscle


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ORIGINAL: Blaakmaan


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ORIGINAL: nubianmuscle

Honestly, I have sat back and watched your responses, rather bemused. IMO, you did seem to come off as the end all and be all of black opinion. If you are one of the few blacks/African Americans/Negroes/people of color on here that post you owe the rest of us the courtesy of making it clear that you are stating your opinion, not everyone else's.

I personally believe the old saying, "What you call me is not as important as what I answer to."

As an aside, I honestly am lost as opposed to what point you were trying to make as it seemed as if you were all over the place in your various responses. If your general opinion, is the appropriateness of what you are called, depends on the situation, that's fine. That's all you really had to state.

I have been referred to as "colored" by older ladies from WV and taken no offense as I understood the context in which it was used and the backgrounds of those using it. At various times, I have also been referred to and refer to myself as black, African-American, man of color, etc. I believe the intent is more important than the actual word used.

Now you don't have to be seen as the only one of "us" responding and posting to this thread. Happy now? [:)]


Actually, I don't recall being unhappy.

Aren't you like post #108 on this thread?

You're kind of late to the party.

So, while all of this semi-racist (and at times, explicitly racist) crap was being posted on this thread, you "sat back and watched, rather bemused," and now you post, and this is what you have to say?

Damn!

Now I think I'm feeling rather bemused myself!

Next time, try jumping in when the water is hot. If you can take the heat.

If not, stay bemused.

Personally, I care BOTH what I am called AND what I answer to.

And I think the question was what WE Black Americans choose to call ourselves, not what YOU answer to.

We Black/African Americans/Black Americans/whatever-else-we-may-choose-to-call-ourselves claim the right to determine both what we are called, and what we answer to.

Not my opinion. Just a fact.

Like it or don't.

And, finally, when the white posters on here start to state that they're not speaking for all white people, then I'll think about stating that I'm not speaking for all black people.

Until then, I will trust that most people here have the good sense to at least know the obvious.

But...



So I guess your point is, since I didn't jump onto a post as quickly as you did, what I said is invalid?

Disagreeing is fine and you even make valid points, but to state that I was "late to the party" as a reason to invalidate what I said is a weak argument at best. I may have been late to the party, but isn't the party still going on?


My point is exactly what I said it was.

I am not "invalidating" what you said.

I spoke to what you said.

I just noted, factually, that you were kinda late to this particular party.

And that "bumusement" is a two-way street.

I suppose I was also implying that having other blacks post on these threads matters most when all kinds of racial and racist BS is being posted and not challenged--as was happening earlier at this particular party.

So, since you asked if I was "happy now," let me say that I will be happier when more black people step up on these boards and challenge some of that crap when it's being posted instead of just sitting back and watching.

It's like, if you can't (or won't or don't) step to the people who are posting that crap, don't bother to step to me after I do.

Sometimes, I'd like to sit back in bumused silence and let somebody else challenge the racism.




GYPSYMAMBO -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/30/2009 10:50:04 AM)

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happier when more black people step up on these boards and challenge some of that crap when it's being posted instead of just sitting back and watching.

It's like, if you can't (or won't or don't) step to the people who are posting that crap, don't bother to step to me after I do.

Sometimes, I'd like to sit back in bumused silence and let somebody else challenge the racism.


...above and ALL

Being of 3 races...and having been called everything from ni88er to INJUN..to paki...filthy gypsy etc..I find the best way to step up to certain ignorance is to
NOT STEP..but let the dull and ignorant shit in thier own nest..

Then bide my time and wait for appropriate transferral of education
when it it can be recieved.
At best the basic rudiments of brain stem function are needed to receive and process.

GM




Wolf2Bear -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/30/2009 11:33:34 AM)

What I find quite interesting - for lack of a better term- is a person biding their time before posting and it is thus implied they are either unwilling to dispel myths or they are too 'weak' to stand up for a cause. It is highly possible that they are using a great deal of self restraint and not reacting in the heat of indignity and acting out of common sense and logic.




HisBestGirl -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (11/4/2009 4:15:46 PM)

I may just be too sensitive in regards to this but I don't like how I am given the option of being 'mixed' or 'other' without the option of clarification. And really, isn't everyone mixed race to some extent?

So I can be 'mixed' or 'other'; both terms seem sort of half-arsed to me.




Eigenaar -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (11/5/2009 7:25:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: HisBestGirl

I may just be too sensitive in regards to this but I don't like how I am given the option of being 'mixed' or 'other' without the option of clarification. And really, isn't everyone mixed race to some extent?

So I can be 'mixed' or 'other'; both terms seem sort of half-arsed to me.

A white European American can choose ''caucasian'' and an African American can choose ''African American'', no matter if white, black or purple. A native inhabitant of Australia or a Papua or black user in let's say the Netherlands however are not African American, usually. The same counts for let's say Nelson Mandela. They would have to choose ''other''.




MargueriteV -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (11/6/2009 9:28:36 AM)

Black is a little too close to 'darkie' for a lot of older people.

No other races are commonly refered to by their skin color besides whites and blacks, if you talked to anyone else like that you'd be a racist.

Note: My skin isn't black its a lot of shades, most white people's skin isn't white. Being called by a color that doesn't actually describe you is sorta stupid.

Note: most black/African Americans can't get specific and say "I'm whatever country of family origin American", most other people can.




Blaakmaan -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (11/6/2009 12:44:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GYPSYMAMBO

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happier when more black people step up on these boards and challenge some of that crap when it's being posted instead of just sitting back and watching.

It's like, if you can't (or won't or don't) step to the people who are posting that crap, don't bother to step to me after I do.

Sometimes, I'd like to sit back in bumused silence and let somebody else challenge the racism.


...above and ALL

Being of 3 races...and having been called everything from ni88er to INJUN..to paki...filthy gypsy etc..I find the best way to step up to certain ignorance is to
NOT STEP..but let the dull and ignorant shit in thier own nest..

Then bide my time and wait for appropriate transferral of education
when it it can be recieved.
At best the basic rudiments of brain stem function are needed to receive and process.

GM


I hear you.
But I, personally, don't think it's ever better to let racist crap flow unchallenged.
It encourages people to believe that they're correct...
And sometimes it's not racism. Sometimes people just haven't given the thing they've said much thought, and sometimes challenging what they've said will cause them to think about it.
You can make that "transfer of education" yourself.




Blaakmaan -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (11/6/2009 12:51:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Wolf2Bear

What I find quite interesting - for lack of a better term- is a person biding their time before posting and it is thus implied they are either unwilling to dispel myths or they are too 'weak' to stand up for a cause. It is highly possible that they are using a great deal of self restraint and not reacting in the heat of indignity and acting out of common sense and logic.



There's certainly something to be said for self-restraint.

But I would prefer to be less self-restrained and challenge racist statements about blacks, than to be self-restrained and let such statements go unchallenged.

Not to mention--challenging racism and logic are not, at all, mutually exclusive.

Logic and I are very good friends.




Blaakmaan -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (11/6/2009 12:56:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HisBestGirl

I may just be too sensitive in regards to this but I don't like how I am given the option of being 'mixed' or 'other' without the option of clarification. And really, isn't everyone mixed race to some extent?

So I can be 'mixed' or 'other'; both terms seem sort of half-arsed to me.



Well, most blacks are probably of "mixed" racial inheritance, if you look back far enough.

What term would you prefer?

And, please don't say "human race."




Blaakmaan -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (11/6/2009 1:03:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MargueriteV

Black is a little too close to 'darkie' for a lot of older people.

No other races are commonly refered to by their skin color besides whites and blacks, if you talked to anyone else like that you'd be a racist.

Note: My skin isn't black its a lot of shades, most white people's skin isn't white. Being called by a color that doesn't actually describe you is sorta stupid.

Note: most black/African Americans can't get specific and say "I'm whatever country of family origin American", most other people can.



I don't know anybody old enough to have ever been called "darkie."

Native Americans were called "red men."

Asians were called "yellow."

Whites are whites even though they're not the actual color of white.

We could go by Caucasian and Negroid, but I hardly think that would be an improvement.




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