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RCdc -> RE: I'm confused - how do you know if someone is just stringing you along? (10/28/2009 3:48:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact As for the rest, this is a message board. There are all kinds of different people here with different styles of communication. The minute someone puts something out there for public opinion, they really are getting exactly what they asked for, even if it wasn't especially what they wanted to hear. With all due respect LadyPact, the OP asked to be called 'jailbait'? I agree with CougarStud. It's the same line trotted out alongside 'well the site is full of sadists - what do you expect!'. Sadism and putting it in the line of fire is no excuse for people to act like children, when it's supposedly children they are trying to deal with (no offense meant to the OP because I don't see her as a child myself but using the example of how people were thinking). Do people really think that immaturity teaches anything? It's laughable. Stringing people along? That was what everyone was going to the OP and she unfortunately didn't pick up on it (see Alpha - I am keeping on topic[:D]) And honestly, when this started to kick off, we could make a list of who would respond and how they would respond and we would have been correct. Fortunately we have a life. And before anyone says... Condecending? Damn right. It's great to be us.[;)]</s> the.dark.

zephyroftheNorth -> RE: I'm confused - how do you know if someone is just stringing you along? (10/28/2009 3:49:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: agirl quote: ORIGINAL: lilmisssubmiss quote: ORIGINAL: RedMagic1 quote: ORIGINAL: lilmisssubmiss i probably shouldn't even be missing any college to see them. No, you shouldn't. One indication of how serious they are (or aren't) is whether they are willing to visit you, and keep things Platonic when they visit. They have enough money to remodel their home for months. A round-trip ticket to Boise from most anywhere in the continental US is less than $300. Not exactly impossible to swing, for someone with the dough for construction work. I think you should invest your time with people who can put their money where their mouth is. they do have enough they just want to be all moved in by the time i come..which i understand. they want to be able to pay attention to me and the house they are currently in i guess is in really bad shape. i kinda feel good they want to kinda impress me i guess. shows they care i guess. until the house closes or w.e he doesn't know how much money he will have to spend on it or something so he is saving up a lot . i don't really understand all of it but i know he has money.. i know he will use it to get me there no problem when the situation is better. but, i still just feel like i have to be so weary and cautious. you just are never sure.. and personally? lets see i'm 18 i'm serious i'm not horrible looking i'm normal... i'm getting well educated shouldn't a dom be jumping at my feet if i like him? :/ i have so many guys who want me REALLY badly. but i'm so picky and i'm kinda taken aback from him. (this is not to sound snotty at all i'm just confused) I think I'd be slightly more impressed if they came to visit YOU on your own ground , so to speak. I'd also be be more impressed if they didn't allow you to miss college to visit them, whether you're prepared to or not. sweetobedience gave a lot of very good advice..but I'd add one more thing....... If they're flying an 18yr old out to stay with them , I think , if they are responsible and sensible, THEY will buy a return ticket for you. If they have thought in any serious depth about it, they will have considered the possibility that there's the chance that EITHER side might decide it's not quite what's wanted and it'd be less than satisfactory to have a young person stuck there, without the funds to go home. For what it's worth. agirl Very well said agirl. I would just add one more thing. Since when do Doms jump at the sub/slave's feet. Somehow I've always thought if anything it should be the opposite.

RCdc -> RE: I'm confused - how do you know if someone is just stringing you along? (10/28/2009 3:52:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth Since when do Doms jump at the sub/slave's feet. Somehow I've always thought if anything it should be the opposite. And fortunately not everyone lives in your world where a s-type thinks a dom should do whatever that s-type thinks they should. the.dark.

zephyroftheNorth -> RE: I'm confused - how do you know if someone is just stringing you along? (10/28/2009 3:58:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark quote: ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth Since when do Doms jump at the sub/slave's feet. Somehow I've always thought if anything it should be the opposite. And fortunately not everyone lives in your world where a s-type thinks a dom should do whatever that s-type thinks they should. the.dark. That's not what I meant....it just seemed to me that she has things turned around and Doms should be jumping at her command....or at least that's how I saw it.

tazzygirl -> RE: I'm confused - how do you know if someone is just stringing you along? (10/28/2009 4:07:41 AM)
i had the same reaction when i saw that, zephyr. lol.... talk about a dark knight syndrome... how funny!

RCdc -> RE: I'm confused - how do you know if someone is just stringing you along? (10/28/2009 4:10:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark quote: ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth Since when do Doms jump at the sub/slave's feet. Somehow I've always thought if anything it should be the opposite. And fortunately not everyone lives in your world where a s-type thinks a dom should do whatever that s-type thinks they should. the.dark. That's not what I meant....it just seemed to me that she has things turned around and Doms should be jumping at her command....or at least that's how I saw it. So she understands and has a sense of her own worth? I don't see how that is saying the doms should be jumping at her command, just that they should be falling at her feet. I say - why not? I am a hetro woman and I can see she is cute. She's got age on her side. Shes got plus points. I just see irony in the fact that you agree with agirl when she says that shes be more impressed if he flew out to the OP and yet find the OP incorrect for thinking that dominants should be jumping at her feet. Both are what the stype thinks are shoulds. Neither option takes into account of what the dominant decides. And in my world - what the dominant decides is all that matters. Whether that is who is getting on the plane, or whether they want to pursue a girl. the.dark.

Viridana -> RE: I'm confused - how do you know if someone is just stringing you along? (10/28/2009 4:33:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth That's not what I meant....it just seemed to me that she has things turned around and Doms should be jumping at her command....or at least that's how I saw it. I took it as she expected the potential partner to be head over heels exited about her and the potential relationship. And honestly, I think that is very healthy. I would seriously question a person that found it acceptible of prospective partner to be bland or anything else than super excited.

agirl -> RE: I'm confused - how do you know if someone is just stringing you along? (10/28/2009 5:17:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark quote: ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark quote: ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth Since when do Doms jump at the sub/slave's feet. Somehow I've always thought if anything it should be the opposite. And fortunately not everyone lives in your world where a s-type thinks a dom should do whatever that s-type thinks they should. the.dark. That's not what I meant....it just seemed to me that she has things turned around and Doms should be jumping at her command....or at least that's how I saw it. So she understands and has a sense of her own worth? I don't see how that is saying the doms should be jumping at her command, just that they should be falling at her feet. I say - why not? I am a hetro woman and I can see she is cute. She's got age on her side. Shes got plus points. I just see irony in the fact that you agree with agirl when she says that shes be more impressed if he flew out to the OP and yet find the OP incorrect for thinking that dominants should be jumping at her feet. Both are what the stype thinks are shoulds. Neither option takes into account of what the dominant decides. And in my world - what the dominant decides is all that matters. Whether that is who is getting on the plane, or whether they want to pursue a girl. the.dark. FR, but addressing Zephyr, partly, I don't really care what's right or wrong in terms of meeting up with people for the first time on the D/s front. I was speaking from a purely practical sense as a Mum of young people that age, with some younger and some older as well. She's got a sense, as dark said, of her worth ....it's not a crime to recognise that you are an attractive prospect..Dom in the offing or not. He's not HER her dom, unless I'm missing something ....he's a prospective one......and she's a prospective whatever to him and his wife. I haven't read one thing in the thread that's led me to think this is anything beyond being interested in the prospect of. .......and that's where MY advice has sprung from. I'm 52yrs old, I'm used to a lifetime of being pursued......I have no interest in false modesty, facts are facts. She's got plenty of people interested in her....fact. She's used to that...fact. A slight over-abundance of confidence isn't a bad thing, as life has a habit of knocking some of it out of you. agirl

CaringandReal -> RE: I'm confused - how do you know if someone is just stringing you along? (10/28/2009 5:32:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ishyB As to "endangering" this site and everybody on it... It seems to me that publicly making this big of a circus about the whole issue is doing more to endanger the site than anything the OP ever did. She never went to flaunt the fact that she was underage before she was pressed publicly for an answer on it. If the real, serious, concern was that she might have been underage, it seems to me that, in the name of the safety of the site, such a matter should have been handled privately by those concerned about it... perhaps followed by reporting the issue to the CM administration. Word.

Icarys -> RE: I'm confused - how do you know if someone is just stringing you along? (10/28/2009 5:38:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark quote: ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth Since when do Doms jump at the sub/slave's feet. Somehow I've always thought if anything it should be the opposite. And fortunately not everyone lives in your world where a s-type thinks a dom should do whatever that s-type thinks they should. the.dark. Amen to that! Like the new pic BTW.[:D]

CaringandReal -> RE: I'm confused - how do you know if someone is just stringing you along? (10/28/2009 5:52:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lilmisssubmiss shouldn't a dom be jumping at my feet if i like him? :/ i have so many guys who want me REALLY badly. but i'm so picky and i'm kinda taken aback from him. (this is not to sound snotty at all i'm just confused) Well, if he did, then wouldn't he be just like all those guys who want you really bad? Would you see any value in him, would you respect him more if he were an eager little puppy willing to jump through hoops for you rather than a dominant that sets his own pace and makes up his own mind? You have to decide at some point (mayby now isn't that time): do you want to be on the pedastal worshipped by all these slavering, adoring, BORING guys who do not meet your needs, or do you want to sit quietly and humbly at the feet of someone you really admire and respect and worship and who maybe does give you what you really need? The worship (of you) thing gets very old, very fast. It's always the same, and it's always unsatifying, at least for a submissive. The alternative involves feeling the way you do now (taken aback by the lack of attention at times, even lonely and lost) but it can be a lot more rewarding...if you're deeply submissive. And a good dominant will make sure you're not alone for too long. He's keeping in touch with you, isn't he? He hasn't gone completely silent or disappeared from your life. Those are excellent signs that he's still very interested in and serious about you.

LaTigresse -> RE: I'm confused - how do you know if someone is just stringing you along? (10/28/2009 7:04:36 AM)
I wouldn't jump to be at anyone's feet..........I don't care how cute or what age. Then again.........I am not a hetro male chasing questionably legal tail on here either. As for the politeness police.........too bad, so sad, you don't like plain speak, don't read it. It's your choice.

CougarStud -> RE: I'm confused - how do you know if someone is just stringing you along? (10/28/2009 7:23:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse As for the politeness police.........too bad, so sad, you don't like plain speak, don't read it. It's your choice. Politeness Police.....lol I'm not talking about those that use "plane speak" Im talking about outright rude, arrogant, pompous, belittleing speak.

porcelaine -> RE: I'm confused - how do you know if someone is just stringing you along? (10/28/2009 7:32:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CaringandReal Well, if he did, then wouldn't he be just like all those guys who want you really bad? Would you see any value in him, would you respect him more if he were an eager little puppy willing to jump through hoops for you rather than a dominant that sets his own pace and makes up his own mind? You have to decide at some point (mayby now isn't that time): do you want to be on the pedastal worshipped by all these slavering, adoring, BORING guys who do not meet your needs, or do you want to sit quietly and humbly at the feet of someone you really admire and respect and worship and who maybe does give you what you really need? The worship (of you) thing gets very old, very fast. It's always the same, and it's always unsatifying, at least for a submissive. The alternative involves feeling the way you do now (taken aback by the lack of attention at times, even lonely and lost) but it can be a lot more rewarding...if you're deeply submissive. i believe it is a misconception to think that being submissive somehow implies that these desires dissipate or are nonexistent. in some respects you have a conundrum in the lifestyle. particularly when the submissive is interested in the dominant. most women aren't raised to go sprinting after a man. however, the attitude that she should come to him is shared by many dominants, though not all. nor do i view the expression of interest on the dominant side as jumping through hoops. it is interesting how the same actions can be interpreted differently. i would gather it is okay for the submissive to display her eagerness and desire to be in service to him in a convincing manner, but should he do the same we consider this hoops? i would hope not. some men like to pursue, others like to be pursued, and the rest fall somewhere in the middle. as for whether a man willing to do these things is somehow less valuable, i'd beg to differ. i have experienced this in exchanges and outside of them. it is generally the way my relationships unfold. he's interested and pursues. his ability to do so and keep me entranced has some appeal. i don't expect him to trip over himself trying to woo me, nor should the reverse be true either. i prefer a more balanced approach to relating. in regard to boredom, not a chance. the one person that staked his claim early and made it clear i'd be his was able to deliver. he was younger than all the others and the only person i didn't successfully get away from. through him i discovered my ability to be tamed. he was also the first one i would serve as well. surprises abound in life when we think outside the box. at least that's my experience. porcelaine

LaTigresse -> RE: I'm confused - how do you know if someone is just stringing you along? (10/28/2009 7:51:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CougarStud quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse As for the politeness police.........too bad, so sad, you don't like plain speak, don't read it. It's your choice. Politeness Police.....lol I'm not talking about those that use "plane speak" Im talking about outright rude, arrogant, pompous, belittleing speak. One person's plain speak is another's rude. I am not going to walk on eggshells out of fear someone will confuse the two. The funny part, the chiding tone of the PP, is just as rude, arrogant, pompous and belittling but in a very childish, passive aggressive way.

DesFIP -> RE: I'm confused - how do you know if someone is just stringing you along? (10/28/2009 7:56:41 AM)
A good dominant, who cared about what was in her best interest as opposed to how soon he can use her teenaged body, would be insisting she stay in school, get good grades, become someone of worth who could contribute. If he really wants a kid to drop out of the first semester of college to go be a sex slave knowing she'll be reduced to burger flipping for the rest of her life without this important degree, then you have to think that he isn't someone who really cares about her. Beyond that, the wife was willing to talk to her as long as it was apparent that there would be no meeting any time soon. The second the chance of meeting came up, she stopped talking to her. To me that says volumes. And if the op's parents are paying for college, she needs their permission and approval to drop out of school indefinitely. Anybody think she's told them her plans? No, she took thousands of dollars from them and is planning to toss it to the wind. Not a responsible idea, that.

LadyPact -> RE: I'm confused - how do you know if someone is just stringing you along? (10/28/2009 8:23:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact As for the rest, this is a message board. There are all kinds of different people here with different styles of communication. The minute someone puts something out there for public opinion, they really are getting exactly what they asked for, even if it wasn't especially what they wanted to hear. With all due respect LadyPact, the OP asked to be called 'jailbait'? I agree with CougarStud. It's the same line trotted out alongside 'well the site is full of sadists - what do you expect!'. Sadism and putting it in the line of fire is no excuse for people to act like children, when it's supposedly children they are trying to deal with (no offense meant to the OP because I don't see her as a child myself but using the example of how people were thinking). Do people really think that immaturity teaches anything? It's laughable. Stringing people along? That was what everyone was going to the OP and she unfortunately didn't pick up on it (see Alpha - I am keeping on topic[:D]) And honestly, when this started to kick off, we could make a list of who would respond and how they would respond and we would have been correct. Fortunately we have a life. And before anyone says... Condecending? Damn right. It's great to be us.[;)]</s> the.dark. Good Morning the.dark. My best to Darcy. Before anything else, I do have to agree. The new pic is wonderful. It's a very nice shot. I'm not going to own anyone else's words on this thread, such as the jailbait comment. Just the ones that I've written. I have no trouble defending those. It seems to Me that the OP's original question was a combination of would the house really take that much time and attention away from her and/or is it possible this couple isn't being as trustworthy as they should be. The first half of that is pretty simple. If it's a major home renovation, it's going to take time and attention to complete. The other half boils down to will people tell you things that aren't true to keep you interested in them. Since during the course of the thread the OP herself was exposed as a liar, that was kind of a no brainer, too. The post was even made from the same account where she falsified her age so she could deceive people into believing she was an adult at a time she really wasn't. Am I going to feel bad for her when her lack of character is brought to light? No, I'm not. I don't expect anybody else to either. There's no reason the OP couldn't have learned abouit BDSM without involving other people (reading the site without participating, other research on the web, buying a book, etc). Instead, she proved herself as someone willing to lie to others to justify getting what she wants. And right there, was the answer to her own question all along.

agirl -> RE: I'm confused - how do you know if someone is just stringing you along? (10/28/2009 8:48:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CaringandReal quote: ORIGINAL: lilmisssubmiss shouldn't a dom be jumping at my feet if i like him? :/ i have so many guys who want me REALLY badly. but i'm so picky and i'm kinda taken aback from him. (this is not to sound snotty at all i'm just confused) Well, if he did, then wouldn't he be just like all those guys who want you really bad? Would you see any value in him, would you respect him more if he were an eager little puppy willing to jump through hoops for you rather than a dominant that sets his own pace and makes up his own mind? You have to decide at some point (mayby now isn't that time): do you want to be on the pedastal worshipped by all these slavering, adoring, BORING guys who do not meet your needs, or do you want to sit quietly and humbly at the feet of someone you really admire and respect and worship and who maybe does give you what you really need? The worship (of you) thing gets very old, very fast. It's always the same, and it's always unsatifying, at least for a submissive. The alternative involves feeling the way you do now (taken aback by the lack of attention at times, even lonely and lost) but it can be a lot more rewarding...if you're deeply submissive. And a good dominant will make sure you're not alone for too long. He's keeping in touch with you, isn't he? He hasn't gone completely silent or disappeared from your life. Those are excellent signs that he's still very interested in and serious about you. There's a big leap from eager puppy to really rather interested and not afraid to show that..but all the same, it's a good idea to recognise that your age and physical yumminess is only one aspect of yourself. I have to say it did make me smile when she said shouldn't a dom be jumping at my feet if I like him?.......but as I said ..... there's plenty of time to find out what she'll end up wishing for in the long run. Who knows..some people can't live without the eager puppy validation thing ........it depends how much a part of you requires it. I agree, (for myself) that being given what he thinks I need, has been vastly different from getting what I'd like want or that makes me feel secure in the short term. But I'm a hell of a lot older.....lol agirl agirl

lilmisssubmiss -> RE: I'm confused - how do you know if someone is just stringing you along? (10/28/2009 8:48:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact As for the rest, this is a message board. There are all kinds of different people here with different styles of communication. The minute someone puts something out there for public opinion, they really are getting exactly what they asked for, even if it wasn't especially what they wanted to hear. With all due respect LadyPact, the OP asked to be called 'jailbait'? I agree with CougarStud. It's the same line trotted out alongside 'well the site is full of sadists - what do you expect!'. Sadism and putting it in the line of fire is no excuse for people to act like children, when it's supposedly children they are trying to deal with (no offense meant to the OP because I don't see her as a child myself but using the example of how people were thinking). Do people really think that immaturity teaches anything? It's laughable. Stringing people along? That was what everyone was going to the OP and she unfortunately didn't pick up on it (see Alpha - I am keeping on topic[:D]) And honestly, when this started to kick off, we could make a list of who would respond and how they would respond and we would have been correct. Fortunately we have a life. And before anyone says... Condecending? Damn right. It's great to be us.[;)]</s> the.dark. Good Morning the.dark. My best to Darcy. Before anything else, I do have to agree. The new pic is wonderful. It's a very nice shot. I'm not going to own anyone else's words on this thread, such as the jailbait comment. Just the ones that I've written. I have no trouble defending those. It seems to Me that the OP's original question was a combination of would the house really take that much time and attention away from her and/or is it possible this couple isn't being as trustworthy as they should be. The first half of that is pretty simple. If it's a major home renovation, it's going to take time and attention to complete. The other half boils down to will people tell you things that aren't true to keep you interested in them. Since during the course of the thread the OP herself was exposed as a liar, that was kind of a no brainer, too. The post was even made from the same account where she falsified her age so she could deceive people into believing she was an adult at a time she really wasn't. Am I going to feel bad for her when her lack of character is brought to light? No, I'm not. I don't expect anybody else to either. There's no reason the OP couldn't have learned abouit BDSM without involving other people (reading the site without participating, other research on the web, buying a book, etc). Instead, she proved herself as someone willing to lie to others to justify getting what she wants. And right there, was the answer to her own question all along. Ok, Now i'm pissed. Will you shut up already? YESSSSSSSSSSSSs i lied about my age being ONE YEAR DIFFERENT. so i could use this damn site before i was 'allowed' i could of easily just deleted this and made a different one.. but no i decided to be truthfull. YESSSSSSSSSSS i am the most untruthful person on this fucking site because i lied about my age once SO YOU GUYS KNOW ME SOOOOO WELL. Shut up already. I get it, I'm the most horrible person who lies lies lies because i lied about my age. Anyways, back to the subject. - They will buy me a ticket back home. I'd be coming up friday after classes and come back monday for the first visit. I'd only miss monday which is dueable. - Jumping at my feet was a term...that he shows he is interested. Just because he is a dom doesn't mean he shouldn't show how interested he is. When I first started talking to them I sensed they were a lot more interested.. that's all i'm saying. And with not talking to her since the revnovation of the house..it's a bit sketchy to me. But, whenever I ask him...I get a " Sweetie don't worry we want to come up you will come up we are just really busy" ...it's like saying, but not doing in the sense... you think he'd talk to me a bit more somehow make some time... well he does a BIT but she doesn't. That has me a little...weary. - They barely have time to talk to me but he/she has time to check collarme? Seems to me they are REALLY keeping their basket open, if you know what I mean. I just have no idea what to do at this point. I'm thinking with text - let him start the convos. because i am done with getting maybe 1 2 (3 if i'm lucky) replies inbetween i'd say ...6 hours. that doesn't cut it with keeping in touch with me. PLUS i plainly state in my profile..." if you are too busy to have a relationship it won't work" because somehow someway when i get bsuy and YES i get BUSYYYYYYY esp being in college and the classes i am taking i somehow , SOMEWAY find the time i need to if something is important to me.

LadyPact -> RE: I'm confused - how do you know if someone is just stringing you along? (10/28/2009 9:08:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lilmisssubmiss Ok, Now i'm pissed. Will you shut up already? YESSSSSSSSSSSSs i lied about my age being ONE YEAR DIFFERENT. so i could use this damn site before i was 'allowed' i could of easily just deleted this and made a different one.. but no i decided to be truthfull. YESSSSSSSSSSS i am the most untruthful person on this fucking site because i lied about my age once SO YOU GUYS KNOW ME SOOOOO WELL. Shut up already. I get it, I'm the most horrible person who lies lies lies because i lied about my age. Anyways, back to the subject. - They will buy me a ticket back home. I'd be coming up friday after classes and come back monday for the first visit. I'd only miss monday which is dueable. - Jumping at my feet was a term...that he shows he is interested. Just because he is a dom doesn't mean he shouldn't show how interested he is. When I first started talking to them I sensed they were a lot more interested.. that's all i'm saying. And with not talking to her since the revnovation of the house..it's a bit sketchy to me. But, whenever I ask him...I get a " Sweetie don't worry we want to come up you will come up we are just really busy" ...it's like saying, but not doing in the sense... you think he'd talk to me a bit more somehow make some time... well he does a BIT but she doesn't. That has me a little...weary. - They barely have time to talk to me but he/she has time to check collarme? Seems to me they are REALLY keeping their basket open, if you know what I mean. I just have no idea what to do at this point. I'm thinking with text - let him start the convos. because i am done with getting maybe 1 2 (3 if i'm lucky) replies inbetween i'd say ...6 hours. that doesn't cut it with keeping in touch with me. PLUS i plainly state in my profile..." if you are too busy to have a relationship it won't work" because somehow someway when i get bsuy and YES i get BUSYYYYYYY esp being in college and the classes i am taking i somehow , SOMEWAY find the time i need to if something is important to me. Ummmmm...... No. I honestly don't care if you're pissed because the type of person that you are was splattered all over a message board for the world to see. There really are people on this planet who have every right to tell you what they think about that, rather than the cute little picture. Let's get another thing straight. It's not Me that's pissing you off. You pissed you off. Those are your actions. You own them. It's part of growing up. Frankly, it doesn't have a thing to do with Me. The people that you are going to meet, do they care more about who you are or just that you come in a pretty package? What about the other way around? If they were known to lie about things that could potentially harm you, would you care?

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