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Lucienne -> RE: Leaving Marks?? (10/29/2009 7:45:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PainfullyCurious

I'm feel stupider with every post I read on here (...in a good, I'm learning sort of way.)
I've always known that men are visual, so I just assumed if you enjoyed inflicting the pain, you would really enjoy seeing the marks that you left.
From what I'm reading , it sounds more like that's something you wouldn't mind doing for your sub. Am I understanding this correctly?


When you read answers to questions like this, it is assumed that "different people like different things." Some people like leaving marks. Some people like having marks. What people want to do in private is still practically constrained by public consequences.

I may want a man to give me a black eye, but it would be a stupid thing for him to do because then I'm walking around work talking about running into a doorknob and everyone assumes I'm a victim of domestic violence.




Elizabeth666 -> RE: Leaving Marks?? (10/29/2009 7:48:16 AM)

i like marks, i want marks and Sir is happy to do it. my body is His to do what He pleases with.




PainfullyCurious -> RE: Leaving Marks?? (10/29/2009 8:08:47 AM)

Yes, of course, I was commenting on what appeared to be common.
I didn't notice a lot of responses say I would love to leave marks, but I don't because I social constriants. I noticed a lot more responses saying, I would do it for you if not for social constraints. I never realized that it's common for the sub to initiate that.

I thought maybe there might be a silent few who would see my post, speak up, and say something different.




alittleevil -> RE: Leaving Marks?? (10/29/2009 8:38:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PainfullyCurious

Yes, of course, I was commenting on what appeared to be common.
I didn't notice a lot of responses say I would love to leave marks, but I don't because I social constriants. I noticed a lot more responses saying, I would do it for you if not for social constraints. I never realized that it's common for the sub to initiate that.


Hello,
Master is careful of what he does because of social constraints. He doesn't leave marks, when he does, specifically for my enjoyment, though he knows i'm twisted like that <g>. He has enjoyed marks he has left on other places on my body. Maybe for aesthetic reasons, maybe simply because they are a visual prod at the part of his brain that says "Mine" when he looks at me. There would probably be a lot more of them (visible bruises) were it not for his concern about others intruding where they feel they have an obligation to do so, resulting in much drama he's not interested in.  But i think marking would be incidental to the acts, not a goal in and of itself.  I could be wrong...

Wishing you well,
aj




SailingBum -> RE: Leaving Marks?? (10/30/2009 12:41:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PainfullyCurious

Yes, of course, I was commenting on what appeared to be common.
I didn't notice a lot of responses say I would love to leave marks, but I don't because I social constriants. I noticed a lot more responses saying, I would do it for you if not for social constraints. I never realized that it's common for the sub to initiate that.

I thought maybe there might be a silent few who would see my post, speak up, and say something different.



Just read the thread ...  I've  said more than once<read different girls>shut up and take the pain...  Those that said "only if the girl asks"  Im really wondering who is in control when the subs asks and the dom delivers  WTF Over??  But that's another thread.

I tell em up front your mine to do as I please.   OP if you wanna beating you wont soon forget...  come on down...

Motown BadOne




PainfullyCurious -> RE: Leaving Marks?? (10/30/2009 11:58:18 AM)

You make a good point. You've got me thinking about the subject of begging again. I'm going to start a new thread on it though.

I'm new to this. Does OP mean original poster?




lovingpet -> RE: Leaving Marks?? (10/30/2009 12:44:08 PM)

~FR~

I can see a couple of reasons and I am sure most of them have been mentioned. Compatibility for starters. If he is not into leaving marks and you want them, then it's a no go. Same goes the other way around. I cannot stress enough how important this really is. I have had one person I played with who was mentally damaged by leaving marks on me. I loved them, but I did not like what it did to him emotionally, so we don't play anymore. He lacked the skill to prevent marks and I tend to play a little heavy, so there really was no other resolution.

The second is trust. I don't know how long you have been playing with a given partner, but it is a high risk move to leave marks. Those marks would make it very easy to claim assault or abuse had occurred or is ongoing. Even if you would never to do such a thing, he may not be sure that you know what you are asking and can handle the reality of it. I am not talking about the pain, but seeing the results after the fact when it is too late to go back. Many a dominant has had a partner freak out when they saw the extent of the damage and lost her trust entirely.

A third is your pain tolerance and body language. A dominant party, especially someone who is new in general, will often need some time to learn to read you and determine how much you can actually handle. Marks can be achieved with a great deal of pain or with what is really very little, so the first few times may be more experimental to see what you can and like to take. He may not wish to mark you so he has the ability to try out several different toys in one visit or session to find the right sensations for you. This reason would speak of a great deal of respect and concern for their partner, so don't make them regret it by making a snap judgement.

A fourth may be that the toy itself is new to the dominant and they are treading carefully still. Again, this is for your safety. Not all toys are the same and the force that marks with one (cane for instances) will potentially break bone with a different one. It is better to forego marks and work a bit more cautiously.

A fifth may be a lack of knowledge about your overall health. Some people cannot be hit in certain places. Some cannot be bruised. Others it is a bad idea to break skin. If you have not had a thorough discussion about your health prior to play, I would say for one that you are rushing and two that this might fuel hesitation. Let's not forget also this includes your mental health and any trauma or abuse you may have in your past. Many a submissive has been triggered into a ptsd episode during play, especially heavy play. Emotional landmines are tricky because they can surface most any time even in things you have done together a million times before. If your partner doesn't know what might be going on, he may be unwilling to play to a level that may produce such a response.

A sixth may be privacy concerns. If you share your life together and are private about your play, then having you marked up for family gatherings, doctor's appointments, work, and more can be an issue. Keep in mind also, that if he knew you had a doctor's appointment coming up prior to play, he may not leave marks because it is entirely possible for a doctor to report abuse and for many jurisdictions to prosecute it without your assistance or even knowledge. It really can be a big deal.

A seventh may be that you are not his to mark. If this is a play partner or someone you are offered to at a party or something of that nature, it is often with the understanding that no marks are to be left on your dominant's property. This is a fairly common practice. If you feel safe receiving marks from someone who is forbade to do so, you might want to talk to your partner about this. It is often a rule for the comfort of the submissive. Other times it is the pure possessiveness of the dominant. The only way to know is to talk about it.

An eighth may be to increase the frequency of play or the extent of long term effects. Not every session can be directly out of a Saw movie or you are not going to be of much use for very long. If he wants to play with you daily, he may choose not to mark you during most session. If he doesn't want you to produce a case of leather ass, he may also reduce the level of play. Permanent scarring lessens the overall sensation received from play. Most also do not do heavy sessions again with a submissive who is heavily marked until she heals.

A ninth may be simple communication. Have you been honest about this? A lot of times it is hard to accept that you want such things and even more so to admit that to a partner who may be willing to oblige. Looking your kink in the face can be difficult for many people. If you are dodging questions and giving sideways answers, then it is entirely possible he doesn't want to give you marks until you are more clear in your interests and more certain of decision. I wouldn't lay one mark on someone who didn't seem sure of what they wanted.

Those are just a few off the top of my head, but as you can see there can be many reasons. The best thing you can do is establish good, open, honest communication. It is often something that can be worked through. I wish you all the best and good luck and happily marked bum to ya!

lovingpet




RavenMuse -> RE: Leaving Marks?? (10/31/2009 2:52:22 AM)

I have no qualms what-so-ever about marking a girl who is My property.... Marking a girl who isn't, I have some reservations as I may not know what circumstances she faces and what questions such marks may raise.

My own girl is quite resistant to marking, her ass can be black as We finish playing but by morning there won't be so much as a blemish (Unless I use Vit-E oil on the area before play, then it will actually bruise properly). When she was sulking about her inability to mark well, I took a scalpel and carved a mark into her that lasted a couple of months :)




DarkSteven -> RE: Leaving Marks?? (10/31/2009 5:21:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PainfullyCurious

I'm new to this. Does OP mean original poster?



Usually it does.  But I've also seen it refer to Original Post as well, the one that started the thread.




PainfullyCurious -> RE: Leaving Marks?? (10/31/2009 7:28:57 AM)

I see. I didn't know if it might mean Oped-ended, which would be quite the opposite of talking to the original poster... Thank You.




IronBear -> RE: Leaving Marks?? (10/31/2009 7:29:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WendyMorning

Why is it so many Doms shy away from leaving marks?  I like heavy beatings and handcuff marks, they are a turn on to me.


You pay the freight and I'll send you new underdungers with fresh skid marks in a sealed plastic bag. Mind you we both could get arrested and charged for Chemical Terrorist Activities and probably some charges relating sending noxious items through the post I guess but what the hell... That should settle your problems of no marks anyway.




VampiresLair -> RE: Leaving Marks?? (10/31/2009 8:13:03 AM)

I love leaving marks... on what is mine. I enjoy seeing them the next day and seeing how long they will take to fade. However, that is strictly on what is mine, I would never have done so on someone who was a casual play partner. Even when I did leave them, they were always in spots where they could not be seen out and about. I have no interest in leaving marks on someone that would invite unwelcome questions for my sake and theirs.

Handcuff marks might turn you on, but how do you explain them the next day if you are out? Or, if someone you know mentions them? Heavy beatings can be a turn on too, but then what happens 3 or 4 days later when the bruising is still there and you have to go to the doctor? Or you go to the gym and people start to talk?

There is a line between consensual and safe playtime marking and consensual and questionable marking. Both can be physically safe for the sub or slave, but the later can be rather dangerous for them socially, and can also be potentially dangerous for the Dom if people decide to be helpful.

DV




CreativeDominant -> RE: Leaving Marks?? (10/31/2009 11:54:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WendyMorning

Why is it so many Doms shy away from leaving marks?  I like heavy beatings and handcuff marks, they are a turn on to me.
For many of us, it depends on just what the situation is.  I went and played with a submissive about 6 years ago and left beautiful marks on her in addition to fucking her silly.  I woke up the next morning to a toy bag being dropped by my head and the sound of her voice telling me I had 15 minutes to get out or face the cops.  I got...
Since then, I have been very careful about leaving marks.  When I am in a relationship with someone, then I leave them.  If I know the submissive well enough and have played with her before and we are friends or at least friendly acquaintances, I will leave marks.  But someone coming up to me and telling me that they saw marks I left on somebody else and wanting me to do the same for her?  Not unless it is in a public club where I have witnesses.  I would not do it in private.  And I don't care if I have been speaking to a submissive for 6 mos. through email and phone and even hand-written letters, I am NOT going to leave marks on that first visit.  Call me cynical but at least you won't be calling me jailbird.




BoundDragon -> RE: Leaving Marks?? (10/31/2009 12:53:29 PM)

Hand cuff marks are great but rope burn is better!!

My sir has left the odd mark for me as he knows I enjoy receiving them and when I have to leave for home feeling it there makes me feel all warm and yummy inside.
Mind you.... I'd love to be left with a nice red bottom after a flogging. I'd think of him everytime I sat down[;)] Hmmmm.... maybe its time to drop some hints[:D]





deliciousmorsel -> RE: Leaving Marks?? (11/1/2009 5:55:23 AM)

I like to be marked myself, but how those marks are made is a bigger deal than I'm seeing discussed. I've seen women who've played way too hard for years and their bodies are breaking down as well as their brains - neurotoxicity is when the body has had enough and those pain signals start chewing up your brain instead of notifying it that something's wrong. People's behavior will change, basicly it's a chronic pain situation that requires heavy duty intervention that they won't get. Theyll go nuts and turn super mean, it escalates dementia onset, and it isn't at all pretty to watch. Any off you who belong to a dungeon club have seen the vicious fat old sub who's basicly nuts? People who get there from car crashes get the exact same symptoms. But they get sent to chronic pain clinic for hefty doses of opiates. Old sub just makes other peoples lives hell.

And some people get a bruise tattoo; permanent capillary damage from things like handcuffs. I have them around my thighs from decades of cycling shorts, none of which are cut for women who leg press 800 lbs. I've also been in plenty of black eye dirt racing crashes and been questioned by police and social workers repeatedly, and that was before I found out about Men With Whips. It isn't fun. I had a team sponsor to call in and ER reports straight off the trail in dirty gear and helmet hair. If you think these things won't be noticed- guess again! And then there's scar tissue that doctors can feel, and needle marks that'll be noticed if you're into that.

Injudicious injury can raise hell, not just on your health proper but Doms in jail and you in psych treatment. Yes, courts will order that if not a trip to a head hospital. If you need a daily fix of endorphin that big, go to the gym. Daily bruisings are something you'll regret down the line if you have to quit play forever because of your health. Just have Master brand you.

Heavy marks should be special occasion things. Yeah, I think it's a drag too, but do you still want to play when you're fifty?




PainfullyCurious -> RE: Leaving Marks?? (11/1/2009 3:38:26 PM)

Has anyone whose ever had a problem at the doctor's office, with police, friends, family, etc. ever been honest and said: " I just like rough sex?"
I imagine that may not work, but I'm curious how that panned out for anyone whose got the story to tell...




Nightbird02 -> RE: Leaving Marks?? (11/1/2009 5:38:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PainfullyCurious

Has anyone whose ever had a problem at the doctor's office, with police, friends, family, etc. ever been honest and said: " I just like rough sex?"
I imagine that may not work, but I'm curious how that panned out for anyone whose got the story to tell...


Haven't quite had the pleasure of that awkwardness yet....but I LOLed when I read that!




DesFIP -> RE: Leaving Marks?? (11/1/2009 5:47:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PainfullyCurious

Has anyone whose ever had a problem at the doctor's office, with police, friends, family, etc. ever been honest and said: " I just like rough sex?"
I imagine that may not work, but I'm curious how that panned out for anyone whose got the story to tell...


The problem with waiting until it's been reported is you may not be believed. Lots of abused women plead door knobs or falls.

If you're going to have marks because you enjoy hard play, then the time to tell the doctor is before the cops have been called. You want to tell them when you are unmarked that you enjoy rough sex, s & m, and they may well be seeing whip/cane marks, black eyes, bruises but it will be entirely consensual. Then it's in the record that he knew about it at a time you were unmarked. Make it clear that this is YOUR preferred style and not being forced on you by a partner. And say it with a smile.




PainfullyCurious -> RE: Leaving Marks?? (11/1/2009 6:53:54 PM)

Have you done that yourself? Did the doctor react professionally?




SaharahEve -> RE: Leaving Marks?? (11/1/2009 9:29:14 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: WendyMorning

Why is it so many Doms shy away from leaving marks?  I like heavy beatings and handcuff marks, they are a turn on to me.


Hmmm, why do some many males shy away from receiving marks? [;)]




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