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RE: Nebraska High Court to hear case of concensual slav... - 1/29/2005 12:04:17 PM   
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Also, unless a person carries a "bug" taped to them somewhere, how are they going to prove they asked to be set free?

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RE: Nebraska High Court to hear case of concensual slav... - 1/29/2005 11:02:08 PM   
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MistressDread, I'm sorry but there really is nothing to protect for the rights of BDSM in this case or any other. I readily admit that I am no expert in BDSM, in fact, I am merely a novice. However, I have read about the slave contracts, including the ones where the slave can only request to be released from her master. Should the master refused, she must suffer in silence. Guess what? Not in this country anyway. That contract could have been in place for 25 years without either party wanting to leave. The second that slave finishes uttering the statement that they would like to be released, that this is not what they want, hell just the actual words, "no" or "stop", and "master" does not abide, guess what? You are now committing a crime. No question, no excuse of "we have a contract." In this case, they never even got that far. Accordiing to the Court documents, before anything actually happened, the man changed his mind, and asked to be released. You want to fight for the right of people in the lifestyle to have freedom, that's great, fight for it. But understand that if you do get it, it will be regulated and those terms will still apply when a slave wants release. This was also a case where while emails and discussion about how the relationship would be conducted were exchanged, there was never even a "signed" contract. Had that occurred, perhaps a fight could have ensued over the validity of the contract. As things stand, however, given the circumstances, a verbal contract is even a bit of a stretch here.

While no expert in the area of BDSM, I certainly have done my research to find out about the practices, customs, etc. No where I have seen where any part of the BDSM relationship, even when it is Master/slave is regularly telling your slave that you are going to KILL THEM when you are through using them to be an appropriate thing.

Just as we are all taught that "no" means "no" in the case of non-consensual sex between a man and a woman, "no" means "no" applied in BDSM as well. Typically, that no is in the form of a safe word, in other cases, maybe it is something that must be interpreted between the parties, however, if you have an ounce of common sense in your head, and you enjoy YOUR freedom, you would be wise to stop whatever you are doing and evaluate what that statement is meaning.

As for his sentence, and your concerns that a murderer gets only 25 years? Twenty-five years is the starting point (as explained other places in this post), and that is just for the murder itself. When other crimes are added (weapons possession, assault, etc.) other sentences can be added on, increasing the term of imprisonment overall. Also there are minimum and maximum sentences for crimes. This case involved multiple crimes which carried multiple sentences. The bottom line is that he ignored this man's request for freedom and yes, the price that he has to pay is now sitting on the other side of the fence (so to speak). Let's see what he thinks of the word "no" when he utters it to someone in prison, and they don't listen to him!

Everyone should have a right to live as they so choose, and often we all must fight for those people's right to do so. However, a clear understanding of the law is necessary to understand what you are fighting for, as well as a clear understanding of each case at hand. Running blindly into something you don't understand is never a good idea. The appeal on this case was upheld, and very rightly so. If one wants to fight for the right of BDSM contracts to be legal, this would not be a case to use as an example.

< Message edited by thnkiwntaspank -- 1/30/2005 12:30:12 PM >


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RE: Nebraska High Court to hear case of concensual slav... - 1/29/2005 11:09:22 PM   
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The above was not written with the intent to offend anyone, but merely as a means to help others understand that a desire to change the law requires an understanding of the law. Without that understanding, changes can not be made effectively.

< Message edited by thnkiwntaspank -- 1/30/2005 12:32:11 PM >


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RE: Nebraska High Court to hear case of concensual slav... - 2/2/2005 5:11:29 PM   
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quote:

Lifestylers can contact the High Court with opinions and voice their adults rights to consensual actions now on this case



I think everyone but David kind of missed My whole point here.

Concensuality by and for adults when dealing with constitutionality
is at stake anytime cases like this is presented. The courts and
the world as a whole needs to know that not all BDSMers are like
those that were brought to trial nor act as stupid as both obviously
were in their actions and words. Felony Stupidity rings clear here
HOWEVER the majority of BDSMers do NOT act in such a fashion
and hold certificates of commitment that stand just as strong within
a relationship as any marriage paper of long standing holds. roughleather
thank you for the end results of the court case HOWEVER it was not
the case its self I had a interest in opening Our Lifestylers eyes to but
the rights of a Lifestyler Them selfs and how issues are addressed with
vanilla laws that do NOT address Our Right and Choice to live that which
the vanilla Life does NOT address or understand on most levels.
The laws of the land compared to the Living of Americans are arcade
and most very outdated and the laws to protect the citizen whom is
abused and confined against their will are in place for the normal citizen.
They should NOT be abused by those with in Our Lifestyle when We as
consensual adults CHOOSE to live OUTSIDE the norm and practice
Alternate Living that comes with the acceptance of consensual slavery
and corporal punishment or pleasure being the "norm" NOT abuse and
nonconsensual confinement. JMO

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RE: Nebraska High Court to hear case of concensual slav... - 2/2/2005 5:30:15 PM   
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In court there is always the winning side and the losing side
HOWEVER this does not necessarily make the winning side right
nor the losing side wrong.
If you had to choose thnkiwntaspank who was right and wrong in
roe and wade which one in todays political winds would you say
was right and if this is so does the others opinion at that point
become wrong? now think about this before you answer........
laws are made to be broken and revised to the turning waves of
the peoples voice and life's.
The American Constitution stated that All Men had certain rights
HOWEVER how many years AFTER the Constitution was enforce did
this reality come to fact? 50 years? 150 years? and did the laws
in place protect the citizens of the County then? Were the courts
right or wrong in upholding cases against the Constitution of the people?
Laws are made to protect Society NOT people. Thats why the rights
of the person should not be usurped by the rights of the Society
and its so very important for the people to speak up and defend
their rights and lifestyles. Thats My story and I'm sticking to it!

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