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RE: Vaccination of Children. - 11/8/2009 8:11:12 AM

Aylee

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Or hopped up marketing promotions. Ask your DR if I feel good pills is right for you.

Do you really think a saturation of vaccines makes one healthier? If the body can only take x amount then why use it all up?

Make you healthier? Help to KEEP you healthier? Yes.

What do you mean that the body can only take "x amount?"

Do you understand how vaccines work?

Do you understand how disease vectors and epidemics work?

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Or put it this way we got thru fine, so why is it necessary to shoot up the UMs? We grew up just fine.

No. YOU got thru fine. How many of your age group peers did NOT?

Do you know some of the side effects of some of these diseases that we vaccinate for?

Mumps ~ Sterility in males.
Polio ~ Loss of limb growth and use.

I know that people talk about the possible side effects of the vaccines, but I think that life has a quality all its own.

I am a huge proponant of lowering child mortality rates. I really am.

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RE: Vaccination of Children. - 11/8/2009 8:20:19 AM

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I am 46. I dont think my age group was a sickly group.

What I am saying is I would examine each vaccine to see if it is necessary. I think one can over do them.

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RE: Vaccination of Children. - 11/8/2009 8:38:06 AM

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I am 46. I dont think my age group was a sickly group.

What I am saying is I would examine each vaccine to see if it is necessary. I think one can over do them.

Infant (0-4) Mortality 1960-1969:

White ~ 22.9 per 1000
Black ~ 43.2 per 1000

Infant Mortality (0-4) 2000 +

White ~ 5.7 per 1000
Black ~ 14.1 per 1000

http://eh.net/encyclopedia/article/haines.demography

So, Pa, the rate is at a quarter of what it was when you were growing up. Which children would you like to condem to death by stopping the vaccination programs and further research until they can further looked at to determine their necessity by you?

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RE: Vaccination of Children. - 11/8/2009 8:55:31 AM

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I am 46. I dont think my age group was a sickly group.

Right. Unlike many children of our parents' generation, most of us did not get polio, mumps, chickenpox, rubella, whooping cough, tetanus, measles, meningitis, pneumonia, or diptheria.

Because we were vaccinated against them.

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RE: Vaccination of Children. - 11/8/2009 9:07:09 AM

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My daughter has had all her vaccinations except chicken pox only because a week before she was to be vaccinated she caught chickenpox.

I don't regret them at all and I'm glad she got them. I'm a huge proponent of every child getting the required dosages.

Unfortunately a lot of the "old diseases" are making a comeback..mumps, measles, whooping cough, because people are not getting their children vaccinated like they should and putting others in danger from not doing so.

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RE: Vaccination of Children. - 11/8/2009 9:13:42 AM

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I'm thankful that the vaccinations of today do not have the side effects of vaccinations in the past.

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RE: Vaccination of Children. - 11/8/2009 9:27:19 AM

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Which children would you like to condem to death by stopping the vaccination programs and further research until they can further looked at to determine their necessity by you?

Well it would thin out the herd. !!! Something badly needed....

Any of my kin is not going to automatically get a shot or any medical procedure just because it is there. With my sister- I am sure she will look into it and make an informed decision. I do not know which ones she has agreed to and not. But I do know she has refused some of the shots. I think that is a good idea.

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RE: Vaccination of Children. - 11/8/2009 9:51:49 AM

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Which children would you like to condem to death by stopping the vaccination programs and further research until they can further looked at to determine their necessity by you?

Well it would thin out the herd. !!! Something badly needed....

Any of my kin is not going to automatically get a shot or any medical procedure just because it is there. With my sister- I am sure she will look into it and make an informed decision. I do not know which ones she has agreed to and not. But I do know she has refused some of the shots. I think that is a good idea.

I personally think that the idea of "thinning the herd" by increasing infant mortality is fisking SICK!

So which diseases is your sister okay with your nieces and nephews getting and possibly dying from?

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RE: Vaccination of Children. - 11/8/2009 10:02:55 AM

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Or put it this way we got thru fine, so why is it necessary to shoot up the UMs? We grew up just fine.

You grew up just fine with vaccines.

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RE: Vaccination of Children. - 11/8/2009 10:03:01 AM

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That list does not look too terribly bad. I do wonder about a hepatitis shot tho. She said they were pushing like 60 of them. I had most, if not all on that list. So that list is not alarming to me.

I will have to ask her what these 60 shots are.

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RE: Vaccination of Children. - 11/8/2009 10:47:43 AM

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Hepatitis A and B vaccines are together in one shot... You need three jabs. The first one, then one a month later and the third one 3 months later... and then you're set for life. Usually just health care workers are vaccinated as well as people in risk groups at least where I come from (but then again, I'm not from an area rich with hepatitis).

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RE: Vaccination of Children. - 11/8/2009 10:50:47 AM

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I had the series of hep shots.

I was offered them when I worked in a group home. We had a hep + resident in there.

I carefully read all the literature on it. Then went for it. This was gosh maybe 10 years ago.

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RE: Vaccination of Children. - 11/8/2009 11:27:56 AM

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That list does not look too terribly bad. I do wonder about a hepatitis shot tho. She said they were pushing like 60 of them. I had most, if not all on that list. So that list is not alarming to me.

I will have to ask her what these 60 shots are.

Maybe she was counting individual vaccines each time they are given? Because in that case just the DTaP and the MMR would account for 15-18. Then you can add another 6 for yearly flu shots.

Other than that, I am not sure.

Was she counting up until the age of 18 maybe and including the new HPV plus MMR boosters and Tetanus boosters?

I suppose that you could get a figure up to 60 that way. But that is due to many of them being given in a series.

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RE: Vaccination of Children. - 11/8/2009 12:01:58 PM

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But the reason to try to stagger the immunizations is to allow their bodt to excrete the mercury in the thimrosal, which is a peservative in most of these vaccines. This agrument has been done before, and it was asserted that they took most of it out, but that has been found to be untrue, and also a whole new group of researchers have debunked the debunking, and have reestablished the thimerosal - autism link.

But with other research, that case seems to rest on individual body chemistry. If they can't excrete it properly, they are screwed antway, but if they can, how much of this toxin can their body actually get rid of ?

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My son has autism because he was overloaded with Thimerosal. When he was 7 months old, he developed a bad case of bronchitis. Babies aren't supposed to be vaccinated when they're sick. Because of this, he got behind on his vaccines. The daycare center wouldn't tke him until he was caught up. The health department said they could catch him up the same day. I questioned the safety of giving 6 immunizations the same day but was assured he would be fine. After the shots, my son had a strange high pitched scream for a couple of weeks and began acting very strangely. His communication skills kept getting worse. He was diagnosed with autism a couple of years later. There is no history of autism in my side of the family or his father's side so there's no way he could've inherited it. I read there's a difference in the cerebellum of children born with autism. My son's cerebellum was normal size according to his MRI. I was told by a nurse who used to care for my grandmother that my son's autism was caused by Thimerosal poisoning. She specifically asked if my son had a high pitched scream after his vaccines. When I told her he did, she mentioned mercury poisoning. I looked it up and learned the truth. Unfortunately for my son, I learned too late. I wrote a college research paper on the link between Thimerasol and autism. Too many people think infant immunizations are 100% safe. I can say from personal experience the threat is real.

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RE: Vaccination of Children. - 11/8/2009 12:12:03 PM

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That list does not look too terribly bad. I do wonder about a hepatitis shot tho. She said they were pushing like 60 of them. I had most, if not all on that list. So that list is not alarming to me.

I will have to ask her what these 60 shots are.

Maybe she was counting individual vaccines each time they are given? Because in that case just the DTaP and the MMR would account for 15-18. Then you can add another 6 for yearly flu shots.

Other than that, I am not sure.

Was she counting up until the age of 18 maybe and including the new HPV plus MMR boosters and Tetanus boosters?

I suppose that you could get a figure up to 60 that way. But that is due to many of them being given in a series.

The UM (she has 2 boys) started preschool. So basic shots I guess are required for that. I asked my mom- and she sort of talked in a circle.

I think I should ask some specific info from my sister. She tho has her hands full right now, so I talk to her when she has the time and energy. (she had her 2nd boy last month)

Maybe she just rambled off the number wrong- an estimate.

I know her and her hubby is very protective with their UMs.

When I myself see a DR I "participate" in the care. I often will do my own digging- then discuss the options. Some DRs do not like this. But some very much DO like this approach. I often will have scribbled notes before I even go in.

So- I apologize for being unprepared for this thread.

For the most part- I insist on knowing more on anything to do with health care on me.

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RE: Vaccination of Children. - 11/8/2009 2:05:30 PM

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My son has autism because he was overloaded with Thimerosal.

You are simply wrong and spreading this wrong belief is exceedingly dangerous. Thimerosol is proven beyond any shadow of a doubt to have nothing what so ever to do with autism.

In reality autism is most likely genetic or epigenetic in origin, IOW inherited. The primary risk factor is older father and same father sibling with autism so present specualtion is it is an epigenetic change that happens to sperm.

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RE: Vaccination of Children. - 11/8/2009 2:08:46 PM

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But the reason to try to stagger the immunizations is to allow their bodt to excrete the mercury in the thimrosal, which is a peservative in most of these vaccines. This agrument has been done before, and it was asserted that they took most of it out, but that has been found to be untrue, and also a whole new group of researchers have debunked the debunking, and have reestablished the thimerosal - autism link.

Termy put up or shut up. where is this supposed research?

Thimerosal and mercury have been conclusively ruled out as causes and contributing factors in autism.

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RE: Vaccination of Children. - 11/8/2009 2:15:17 PM

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My son has autism because he was overloaded with Thimerosal.

You are simply wrong and spreading this wrong belief is exceedingly dangerous. Thimerosol is proven beyond any shadow of a doubt to have nothing what so ever to do with autism.

In reality autism is most likely genetic or epigenetic in origin, IOW inherited. The primary risk factor is older father and same father sibling with autism so present specualtion is it is an epigenetic change that happens to sperm.

Oh common. You can do better then that. What is YOUR proof?

Read the package inserts. Mercury is BAD for you. What a shill for Merck/Baxter. There is plenty of evidence on the whole autism subject.

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RE: Vaccination of Children. - 11/8/2009 2:19:14 PM

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I would say vaccinate, too. While some of it is misrepresented, and the actual numbers of children not affected by vaccinations far out weigh the number who does. Not discounting that any child should suffer. If it bothers you that much, when you give birth, request to save the cord blood. Its cost to have it done, but they contain the stem cells of your own child. And its legal for you to ask for it. In fact, I saw on a tv show once (the Today Show) that a boy, at 2, started exhibiting signs of autism, they gave him his cord blood (which she requested to be saved) and it helped the child recovery. Completely.

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RE: Vaccination of Children. - 11/8/2009 2:27:01 PM

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl
My son has autism because he was overloaded with Thimerosal.

You are simply wrong and spreading this wrong belief is exceedingly dangerous. Thimerosol is proven beyond any shadow of a doubt to have nothing what so ever to do with autism.

In reality autism is most likely genetic or epigenetic in origin, IOW inherited. The primary risk factor is older father and same father sibling with autism so present specualtion is it is an epigenetic change that happens to sperm.

Oh common. You can do better then that. What is YOUR proof?

Read the package inserts. Mercury is BAD for you. What a shill for Merck/Baxter. There is plenty of evidence on the whole autism subject.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/114/3/793)
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/112/3/604
http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0749379703001132
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/290/13/1763
http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/65/1/19

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