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tazzygirl -> RE: Health Care Bill passes the House! (11/8/2009 4:43:30 PM)

lol... im sure you will be ok.




Sanity -> RE: Health Care Bill passes the House! (11/8/2009 5:04:24 PM)


Healthier = live longer = more expensive to care for.

Thats the main reason Medicare and Social Security are both in so much trouble, longer life spans.


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Not at all. We are healthier than our parents. Our children will, hopefully, be healthier than we are. Medicine improves. Cuts have been approved by Hospitals and such, per my earlier post. You may be surprised at where money can be saved once someone decides to really look.




tazzygirl -> RE: Health Care Bill passes the House! (11/8/2009 5:05:36 PM)

Healthier = less medical expenses... period.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Health Care Bill passes the House! (11/8/2009 5:05:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity




They must think we're stupid.




Of course they do....and judging by this board, they can fool a lot of the people all of the time.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Health Care Bill passes the House! (11/8/2009 5:07:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Healthier = less medical expenses... period.



Again, you couldnt be more wrong. Your homework assignment is to think about why you are wrong.




Sanity -> RE: Health Care Bill passes the House! (11/8/2009 5:09:00 PM)


Not true at all.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Healthier = less medical expenses... period.




LadyPact -> RE: Health Care Bill passes the House! (11/8/2009 5:15:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Healthier = less medical expenses... period.


When you look at statistics such as obesity being higher than ever before, which comes along with it a host of medical issues, I can't say I agree with that.




tazzygirl -> RE: Health Care Bill passes the House! (11/8/2009 5:30:39 PM)

Its actually a mixed report, LP.

http://health.howstuffworks.com/life-stages/aging/baby-boomers-health.htm/printable




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Health Care Bill passes the House! (11/8/2009 5:35:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Its actually a mixed report, LP.

http://health.howstuffworks.com/life-stages/aging/baby-boomers-health.htm/printable

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Which still does not address your incorrect statement that healthier = less medical expenses




tazzygirl -> RE: Health Care Bill passes the House! (11/8/2009 5:36:32 PM)

willbe.. will you get off moderation already? gesh!




Lucylastic -> RE: Health Care Bill passes the House! (11/8/2009 5:37:48 PM)

I keep wanting to offer him some "thread viagra" to help with the feeling of impotence




Sanity -> RE: Health Care Bill passes the House! (11/8/2009 5:38:29 PM)


This is not a good time to be promising deep cuts to the Medicare program or creating new entitlement programs at all.

In fact its insane.

(Bold emphasis mine):

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Elderly facing tough future

A UM conference offered a grim view of aging: soaring demographics, rising costs -- and less money to pay for them.

With a flood of Baby Boomers approaching retirement, 401(k) savings in the toilet, housing values sinking and Medicare going broke, ``we are looking at a serious crisis.'' That's the assessment of Larry Polivka, an expert on aging at the Claude Pepper Foundation. He and other experts speaking at a University of Miami conference last week offered a grim picture of the next 30 years, not only with American Boomers but with the elderly worldwide.

``We are approaching a distinctive point'' in history, said Richard Suzman, a director with the National Institute of Aging. Sometime in the next several years, the world will have more persons over 65 than than under 5 -- a trend that will accelerate over time, meaning there will be comparatively fewer people in the workforce taking care of an ever-growing elderly population.


The problem will be universal. Developing countries, with few resources, will be experiencing it. So will the United States.

At a conference Saturday on Aging in the 21st Century for the Association of Health Care Journalists, speaker after speaker laid out a grim scenario.

The bad news is all based on good news: People keep living longer. One survey shows that every decade, female life expectancy has been steadily increasing by three years.

But how to pay for longer life?

Polivka said the present generation -- people who often have guaranteed pensions from employers and houses that are worth far more than they paid for them -- are in fairly good shape.

But not the Boomer generation, those born between 1946 and 1964. Polivka cited a Boston College study that used the assumption that people need 70 or 80 percent of their last wages to have an adequate retirement. Among the older Boomers, 43 percent are expected not to meet that standard. Among the younger ones, almost two-thirds are expected not to have a comfortable retirement.

One reason: Faced with funding voluntary retirement accounts through 401(k)s, people have often not contributed enough or made poor investment decisions. And even sensible-seeming decisions have caused drastic drops in retirement accounts during this recession.

What's more, many Boomers don't have much savings built into their houses since the real estate crash, and Medicare's gloomy finances mean that by 2030, a retiree will be facing total out-of-pocket healthcare costs of more than $200,000 over the course of a retirement, Polivka said.

(Full article here).




Sanity -> RE: Health Care Bill passes the House! (11/8/2009 5:53:33 PM)


They say pictures are worth a thousand words, so what the heck - I'll try to explain it this way: Everywhere you look on the web, responsible Medicare spending projections look like this:

[img]http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/hodges/2005/images/medicare_projected.gif[/img]

This is because the boomers are retiring and people are living longer, and its expensive to care for the elderly. Meanwhile, Congress and the President are promising cuts to that budget...

They'll promise us anything, always verify what they say and try to think for yourself.




slvemike4u -> RE: Health Care Bill passes the House! (11/8/2009 5:59:12 PM)

"always verify what they say and try to think for yourself'
Careful with that Sanity.....if too many people actually take this advice Limbaugh and Beck will lose their audiences.




Lucylastic -> RE: Health Care Bill passes the House! (11/8/2009 6:02:23 PM)

no chance of that Mike, today has proved that more than once




Musicmystery -> RE: Health Care Bill passes the House! (11/8/2009 6:06:23 PM)

OK--while I disagree with his solutions, Sanity is absolutely correct about the problem.

Medicare is indeed in trouble, much more than Social Security.

And for exactly the reasons he states. Anyone want to add to the research, you'll find that's the case.

And come on---don't look so shocked. So I agreed with Sanity--I said only about the problem, not the solution!

We disagree on health care--the status quo is unsustainable. We simply have to do something, even if flawed. But where we agree again--you won't see me making light of the cost.

And there most definitely is a cost. There we agree again. It's just one we have to pay (and there we disagree again).

Anyone feeling dizzy?




tazzygirl -> RE: Health Care Bill passes the House! (11/8/2009 6:12:30 PM)

Way dizzy. But yeah, i see your point. The boomers hit 65 starting 2011. for the next 20 years, they will keep hitting the medicare rolls. Which is why something needs to be done now and not later. The status quo just wont work, regardless of how much the spend thrifts desire it too. Cost now, or cost later. Either way, we are going to pay for the lack of attention our government paid to this issue in the past.




slvemike4u -> RE: Health Care Bill passes the House! (11/8/2009 6:16:15 PM)

I don't know about dizzy....quesy seems a better description.
But of course your right.....my problem with what Sanity is pointing out is he thinks that is justification for doing nothing.....while I think it is all the more reason the system gets overhauled.Lets be honest there will never be a good time to do this...the situation has been allowed to fester for way too long.No it's not a good time to do this...it is simply way past time to wait for a "good time"...hence it must be done and done now...we the American public have waited long enough.




rulemylife -> RE: Health Care Bill passes the House! (11/8/2009 6:32:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Healthier = live longer = more expensive to care for.

Thats the main reason Medicare and Social Security are both in so much trouble, longer life spans.



Well shit, then we should start pro-smoking campaigns. 

Distribute cigarettes in pre-school.

Lower the drinking age to eight.

Think of all the money we'll save.









Lucylastic -> RE: Health Care Bill passes the House! (11/8/2009 6:33:43 PM)

Music..my thing is the problem hasnt just been discovered.... Its pretty commmon knowledge that baby boomers are gonna strain  the current system in most countries, I know it has been in the UK and Canada. And most of the lower working class have had the knowledge that they would definitely struggle thru old age since they began work...Hubby is at the beginning of the boomer gen, im at the end, altho I cling to Gen X(billy idol is older than me dammit).
I have very little compassion for those who are just noticing there is a problem.
It needs to be done now.... or our youngins are gonna be makin us into soylent green!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




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