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ORIGINAL: Fellow

"Unfortunately, these issues are now defined in the public arena by partisanship and ideology rather than rigorous empirical thought and forthright analysis and discussion," he said.

Not once did I see Dobbs indulge in anything remotely resembling "forthright analysis and discussion". Rather, I witnessed a man with a bad toupe and fake teeth pretending to be an indedependent whilst actually flogging the same tired old pseudo libertarian cliches. Sorry if it hurts your feelings (it's so sad, when people need heroes), but the man's a fucking toothy twat   .

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Lou program had high rating, instead of just not watching the "useful idiots"  want it gone. Welcome to USSA.

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ORIGINAL: Fellow

For me Lou Dobbs was one of the few honest political commentators in CNN. He made it pretty clear that he was kicked out of CNN as he was not willing to compromise (or stop expressing) his position  in issues like illegal immigration, globalization designed to fleece America for the benefit of corporate and other elites, government monetary policies and others. Honest public debate of meaningful issues is becoming increasingly difficult in US.

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ORIGINAL: Fellow

Yes, Lou Dobbs identifies as an independent populist. Is there anything wrong with fighting for common good?

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Its important to note the shift from Fox's dominance during the Bush years, to CNN since Obama has taken office. Every airport you're in, used to have every TV on Fox, and we were forced to swallow the bitter pill of O'Reilly in our ears. Now, all TVs are set to CNN, and it just wouldn't do to have anchors making some kind of counterpoint to the White House party lines. The White House works for certain corporations, and for a long time has. The idea that Americans are going to pay for illegals to have health care, was a decision made during the North American Union talks during the Bush years, and Obama has agreed to continue the trend, and has promised that this would be a part of the new Health Care "Reform". The fact that Obama's fine for not buying mandatory insurance is "up to $250,000 and/or up to 5 years" would not have made a pleasant campaign topic to say the least. When corporations make decisions for the government, that's called Fascism. Its one more industry-led bill that's going to go through, and here it comes.

Slavehandsome

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I'm sure he will find a home on Fox, just like Glenn Beck did after he left CNN.

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Depends what you define the "common good" to be.

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ORIGINAL: Fellow
As I said, Fox is corporate media like CNN they are not interested of Mr. Independent. The Republican/Democrat fight is basically just a fake wrestling.

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I never understood why US "liberals" support illegal immigration? I understand why corporations do. I have been explained US is the country of immigrants and this is the reason. Nobody should be discriminated. We have no illegal people (Hillary Clinton).
Fair trade Lou advocates should not be too difficult to understand. Supporting the middle class instead of shoveling the wealth into the pockets of few on the top either.

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I'm liberal and I don't support it.

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ORIGINAL: Fellow

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I'm liberal and I don't support it.

As you notice I am talking about "liberals" not liberals.  US "liberals" are certain political wing of the Democratic Party (not to be confused with liberal philosophy).

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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I'm liberal and I don't support it.

As you notice I am talking about "liberals" not liberals.  US "liberals" are certain political wing of the Democratic Party (not to be confused with liberal philosophy).

I don't know of anyone in the Democratic party in favor of illegal immigration. You're just parroting the GOP/FNC lies about Democrats.

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: Fellow
As I said, Fox is corporate media like CNN they are not interested of Mr. Independent. The Republican/Democrat fight is basically just a fake wrestling.

No, it's really not. Though this has become a popular refrain from those who claim to be Independents but really just want to be able to remain on the sidelines, not commit to anything, and be able to criticize both sides to demonstrate their moral superiority as an excuse for their apathy.  

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I never understood why US "liberals" support illegal immigration? I understand why corporations do. I have been explained US is the country of immigrants and this is the reason. Nobody should be discriminated. We have no illegal people (Hillary Clinton).
Fair trade Lou advocates should not be too difficult to understand. Supporting the middle class instead of shoveling the wealth into the pockets of few on the top either.

I never understand why illegal immigration is said to be supported by liberals.

I'm liberal and I don't support it.

But you might remember that staunch conservative we had a little while ago as President:

Bush proposes legal status for illegal immigrants

“Out of common sense and fairness, our laws should allow willing workers to enter our country and fill jobs that Americans are not filling,” the president said in an address in the East Room to members of Congress, his Cabinet and immigrant advocacy groups.

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I don't know of anyone in the Democratic party in favor of illegal immigration. You're just parroting the GOP/FNC lies about Democrats.

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ORIGINAL: Fellow

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I don't know of anyone in the Democratic party in favor of illegal immigration. You're just parroting the GOP/FNC lies about Democrats.

Yes, right. Are we talking about politics? Who would say they support illegal activity? At the same time, who is blocking all the efforts to prevent illegal immigration? I am talking about things like workplace enforcement, sanctuary cities, border enforcement, high number of foreign labor visas despite high unemployment and so on. Hypocrisy has been part of politics since ancient times. I am not American but I am with Dobbs about the issue: illegal immigration is a destructive force despite some may argue it is better than outsourcing (corporations get what they want and the productive capital stays in the country).

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http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/11/lou.dobbs.leaving/index.html

Sounds like he's going to run for office.

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I never understand why illegal immigration is said to be supported by liberals.

I'm liberal and I don't support it.

But you might remember that staunch conservative we had a little while ago as President:

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I never understand why illegal immigration is said to be supported by liberals.

I'm liberal and I don't support it.

But you might remember that staunch conservative we had a little while ago as President:

That was the people who put the money in his pocket talking. The same people who are putting money in the new administrations pocket. I think at the time something like 70% of the people were against it. Bush didn't give a fuck. The money speaks loudly.