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ranja -> RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a collar or a wedding ring? (11/14/2009 4:04:48 AM)
a legally binding contract means much more to me than just a promise i like pretty things, a wedding ring is lovely when i wear my recently purchased black dog collar i feel extremely dirty and in the moment put way more value on the collar than on the pretty ring...

favesclava -> RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a collar or a wedding ring? (11/14/2009 11:43:22 PM)
the collar.

xBullx -> RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a collar or a wedding ring? (11/15/2009 5:57:37 AM)
ahhhh, the material girl...[;)] quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol A large piece of crystalised carbon set in a precious metal over a "stainless steel" collar for me, anyday, thank you very much. In address to the OP: After reading most of the responses here. I suspect the question is best answered as a matter of relativity. The answer is relative to your own personal perspective. That said, neither cultural custom is all that impressive without uncompromised truth, unconditional effort and absolute commitment to the cause. But in the end I personally don't see the conditions of marriage (a partnership) and mastery (perceived by many as ownership) as parallels, but that's just me.

AquaticSub -> RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a collar or a wedding ring? (11/15/2009 9:13:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kasumi I should also mention that a collar is only a symbol of the sub's commitment, while a wedding band is worn by both parties, generally. So, it would seem that there is some satisfaction in seeing the mutual commitment. That's a good point and one I hadn't really considered before. Yes, it's lovely to see the collar he put on me and know it's a symbol of the commitment between us to our relationship... but it's also so wonderful to look over at night and see the glint of moonlight on his wedding ring. Seeing the symbol he wears that everyday that everyone else can see. The collar might mean more to me if he wore something as well though I don't know what. Either way, I think the marriage would still mean more simply because he's chosen to protect me and our relationship legally and to bring our families together in a formal ceramony where I just don't have that with the collar. Interesting food for thought - thanks for bringing it up.

whiteslavebitch -> RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a collar or a wedding ring? (11/15/2009 9:32:54 AM)
I consider them to be roughly equivalent. The government however doesn't recognize collaring, so MasterK and I don't get the tax benefits offerred to married couples[8D].

roland23 -> RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a collar or a wedding ring? (11/16/2009 9:30:03 AM)
Having been through two vanilla marriages, I'd have to say the collar. Commitment is really internal, however. These are simply symbols of commitment. If I could somehow combine the two, that would be ideal.

BitaTruble -> RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a collar or a wedding ring? (11/16/2009 9:53:05 AM)
`fr` FWIW, I would wear the collar of someone who I would never marry but I would never marry someone whose collar I wouldn't wear.

breatheasone -> RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a collar or a wedding ring? (11/16/2009 11:49:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BitaTruble `fr` FWIW, I would wear the collar of someone who I would never marry but I would never marry someone whose collar I wouldn't wear. Awww....see, this is perfectly said![sm=applause.gif]

tazzygirl -> RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a collar or a wedding ring? (11/16/2009 3:18:12 PM)
Personally... a commitment of the heart is more valuable to me than any piece of jewelry.

kasumi -> RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a collar or a wedding ring? (11/16/2009 5:47:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: breatheasone quote: ORIGINAL: BitaTruble `fr` FWIW, I would wear the collar of someone who I would never marry but I would never marry someone whose collar I wouldn't wear. Awww....see, this is perfectly said![sm=applause.gif] I agree!

MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a collar or a wedding ring? (11/16/2009 8:25:10 PM)
Since the question pertained to a "greater commitment", then WEDDING RING/MARRIAGE is the logical answer. Why? Because while a collar and wedding ring may both represent an emotional commitment, the wedding ring/marriage carries a LEGAL and FINANCIAL commitment. A collar can be removed with little consequence... this is not true of a wedding ring/divorce. For those that have given/received a collar and feel it carries the greater commitment, then there's a simple question to ask yourself: If the wedding ring means LESS than the collar, then why not just get married?!! If the collar means MORE, then getting married shouldn't be a big deal, right? WRONG. The bottom line is, the wedding ring and marriage ARE a big deal, and one that holds greater consequence; that's why the wedding ring/marriage holds the greater commitment... it carries the greater consequence should the pairing fail.

MstrPBK -> RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a collar or a wedding ring? (11/16/2009 8:30:08 PM)
Personally they weigh in to be the same. The weight of the value comes from: what one prefers ... what discretion you want publicly ... what might be legal in your area ... MstrPBK St.Paul, MN USA

MistressKitty123 -> RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a collar or a wedding ring? (11/16/2009 9:26:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: allthatjaz After watching a good friend die suddenly recently and his lover and live in partner kicked out onto the street with nothing, I have to say a wedding ring. In this case even a will was made and is now being contested by his family. Having a good understanding of how these things work, I doubt she will be left with any creature comforts. Perhaps that sounds a little cold or does it? I want to know that if I die before my partner that he will have all rights to live with what we have now and he feels the same way about me. What good would a collar be in a bereavement situation? A wedding ring for this exact reason.

OsideGirl -> RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a collar or a wedding ring? (11/17/2009 7:47:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub That is awful that the family is contesting the will. I hope things work out for your friend. I think you've raised a good but troubling point. It happened to a friend of mine as well. She and her Dom had been together for years and had been engaged for a long time. When he died suddenly of a heart attack, she was booted from the house and they emptied it out. They even took a lot of her posessions. So, on top of losing the man she loved.....she lost almost everything else too. quote: ORIGINAL: Missokyst I am VERY confused by this statement! Yep, people get divorced (though divorce rates have gone down a bit in the last few years). But I haven't known collars to be more substantial in terms of committment. Marriage has paperwork when you want to call it to an end. Collars.. take it off and walk. How the hell is that not easier to dump? quote: ORIGINAL: Wantstocontrolu Collar Marrages today are to easy to get, too easy to dump. There is no commitment in them anymore. I agree Miss. I almost choked when I read that. In my 18 years in the community I have watched people go from collar to collar to collar like it's a disposable lighter.

EbonyWood -> RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a collar or a wedding ring? (11/17/2009 8:14:17 AM)
Obviously, a wedding collar. Seriously - my wife loves her ring and my girlfriend loves her collar. Ok really seriously - I hope this is a rhetorical question. As with most abstractions, the answer is whatever you want it to be...

nubianmuscle -> RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a collar or a wedding ring? (11/17/2009 8:44:59 AM)
IMO, neither is a commitment; but SYMBOLS of that commitment. The commitment is made through your actions, thoughts and loyalty. As far as symbols, I think the collar means more because it seems that amongst those that truly understand the essence of a M/s or D/s relationship, it is taken much more seriously than the institution of marriage. That being said, my slave and I are also making our commitment legal in the eyes of the law through marriage, because when I am gone I want to make sure that she is taken care of and gets everything I intend her to have. BTW, when we are married she wants a wedding collar she can wear 24/7 as opposed to a ring.

breatheasone -> RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a collar or a wedding ring? (11/17/2009 10:51:41 AM)
quote: Ok really seriously - I hope this is a rhetorical question. As with most abstractions, the answer is whatever you want it to be... Um no....it wasn't rhetorical. This is an internet discussion board. i'm going to go out on a limb here, and say the OP was trying to stimulate some, lets see,........ whats the word....Oh yes...Discussion![:D]

divi -> RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a collar or a wedding ring? (11/17/2009 10:55:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol A large piece of crystalised carbon set in a precious metal over a "stainless steel" collar for me, anyday, thank you very much. I agree once again with you hot piece of kittin flesh... try hocking that collar when its over

DavanKael -> RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a collar or a wedding ring? (11/17/2009 4:15:25 PM)
A wedding band. Davan

Padriag -> RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a collar or a wedding ring? (11/17/2009 4:46:49 PM)
Neither. The commitment is in the heart and that is what gives meaning to rings and collars or any other symbol. A fancy wedding or an elaborate collaring ceremony is never a substitute for the commitment that must be in the heart. Without that, you have nothing.

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