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Anarrus -> 2009 CC... is anyone else listening any of it? (11/15/2009 11:06:33 AM)
2009 Continental Congress- Just putting this out for discussion as I'm amazed it hasn't been at least mentioned in this forum so far. I've been listening to some of it this weekend and it's actually pretty interesting stuff. I know it's dimissed by many in the mainstream as fringe lunacy. But what has me wondering, is why no mention of it at all in any of the mainstream media outlets, even if only mentioned in a dismissive and marginalized way. I may not agree with all of delegates political positions or philosophies, but many of them are learned, educated and articulate speakers, especially in the U.S. form of constitutional government and consitutional law. links: You can get more info about the Continental Congress 2009 here: http://www.cc2009.us/ The best site to view it on is here: http://freedom.tv/live

Kirata -> RE: 2009 CC... is anyone else listening any of it? (11/15/2009 11:14:05 AM)
Links: Ha! Okay ...I see you added them. K.

DomKen -> RE: 2009 CC... is anyone else listening any of it? (11/15/2009 11:15:02 AM)
It's being ignored because it is being run by tax dodgers and birthers. Actually these people are not learned or educated about the US Government or Constitution. They are fraud artists hoping no one investigates their lies.

Anarrus -> RE: 2009 CC... is anyone else listening any of it? (11/15/2009 11:18:39 AM)
ahh ok..gotcha If I were a tax dodger or a birther my feelings might be hurt. I'm sure King George called our founding fathers much much worse. I'm sure many of those back when our nation was founded thought of Jefferson, Madison, Washington, Adams, Franklin, et al as fraud artists too. It's easy to sit back smugly and dismissively in judgment of others. It's especially easy when we don't agree with them. It's even easier still when we don't want to rock the boat or go against the grain of popular and politically "safe" mainstream thought. Patriotism comes in many forms, two of those are to question and to challenge.

Brain -> RE: 2009 CC... is anyone else listening any of it? (11/15/2009 12:15:04 PM)
Concise, eloquent and well said.

DomKen -> RE: 2009 CC... is anyone else listening any of it? (11/15/2009 3:57:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Anarrus ahh ok..gotcha If I were a tax dodger or a birther my feelings might be hurt. I'm sure King George called our founding fathers much much worse. I'm sure many of those back when our nation was founded thought of Jefferson, Madison, Washington, Adams, Franklin, et al as fraud artists too. It's easy to sit back smugly and dismissively in judgment of others. It's especially easy when we don't agree with them. It's even easier still when we don't want to rock the boat or go against the grain of popular and politically "safe" mainstream thought. Patriotism comes in many forms, two of those are to question and to challenge. The organization running the event, We the People Foundation, is under a permanent injunction over their fraudulent tax protestor lies. They are also the ones who bought full page birther ads in the Chicago Tribune last December. So it is being run by tax dodgers and birthers which is why it is being ignored. You might want to make sure you have your facts straight next time. As this statement comes only a week after Veteran's Day let me make a special point of responding to you calling the scum involved patriots. It is not patriotic to lie and deceive to enrich yourself at the expense of your fellow citizens. It is not patriotic to attempt to claim the mantle of the founding fathers to push lies about there being no law requiring the payment of income tax and about the birth place of the President.

Kirata -> RE: 2009 CC... is anyone else listening any of it? (11/15/2009 8:41:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen As this statement comes only a week after Veteran's Day let me make a special point of responding to you calling the scum involved patriots. It is not patriotic to lie and deceive to enrich yourself at the expense of your fellow citizens. It is not patriotic to attempt to claim the mantle of the founding fathers to push lies about there being no law requiring the payment of income tax and about the birth place of the President. The First Amendment was not intended to protect only what you deem to be patriotic speech. If you have a problem with that, leave those who sacrified their lives to secure and protect our freedoms out of it. K.

rulemylife -> RE: 2009 CC... is anyone else listening any of it? (11/15/2009 9:54:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Anarrus 2009 Continental Congress- Just putting this out for discussion as I'm amazed it hasn't been at least mentioned in this forum so far. I've been listening to some of it this weekend and it's actually pretty interesting stuff. I know it's dimissed by many in the mainstream as fringe lunacy. But what has me wondering, is why no mention of it at all in any of the mainstream media outlets, even if only mentioned in a dismissive and marginalized way. Maybe because it is such fringe lunacy that it's not even worth discussing in a dismissive and marginalized way? Just a thought.

pahunkboy -> RE: 2009 CC... is anyone else listening any of it? (11/15/2009 10:09:41 PM)
It is not possible to seceed. Why because the debt will still have to be repaid. Right down to where you don't have actual title to a house or car- and your social security number is an IMF bond- which renders anyone with one responsible for the national debt. cheers! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Abi6W2aKYE

DomKen -> RE: 2009 CC... is anyone else listening any of it? (11/15/2009 11:32:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen As this statement comes only a week after Veteran's Day let me make a special point of responding to you calling the scum involved patriots. It is not patriotic to lie and deceive to enrich yourself at the expense of your fellow citizens. It is not patriotic to attempt to claim the mantle of the founding fathers to push lies about there being no law requiring the payment of income tax and about the birth place of the President. The First Amendment was not intended to protect only what you deem to be patriotic speech. If you have a problem with that, leave those who sacrified their lives to secure and protect our freedoms out of it. Where did I say the government should deny these liars the right to speak? They have exactly the same right to speak as I do. I said these liars who make a living selling fraudulent tax evasion schemes to others are not patriots. I said that their attempt to coopt the mantle of the founders to legitimize their lies was not patriotic. Both statements are quite clearly true.

Anarrus -> RE: 2009 CC... is anyone else listening any of it? (11/16/2009 7:11:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Anarrus ahh ok..gotcha If I were a tax dodger or a birther my feelings might be hurt. I'm sure King George called our founding fathers much much worse. I'm sure many of those back when our nation was founded thought of Jefferson, Madison, Washington, Adams, Franklin, et al as fraud artists too. It's easy to sit back smugly and dismissively in judgment of others. It's especially easy when we don't agree with them. It's even easier still when we don't want to rock the boat or go against the grain of popular and politically "safe" mainstream thought. Patriotism comes in many forms, two of those are to question and to challenge. The organization running the event, We the People Foundation, is under a permanent injunction over their fraudulent tax protestor lies. They are also the ones who bought full page birther ads in the Chicago Tribune last December. So it is being run by tax dodgers and birthers which is why it is being ignored. You might want to make sure you have your facts straight next time. As this statement comes only a week after Veteran's Day let me make a special point of responding to you calling the scum involved patriots. It is not patriotic to lie and deceive to enrich yourself at the expense of your fellow citizens. It is not patriotic to attempt to claim the mantle of the founding fathers to push lies about there being no law requiring the payment of income tax and about the birth place of the President. It seems you want to argue based on tax dodgers and birthers. I won't be lead there by you or anyone, but if I was we might find ourselves on the same side of the coin. I believe in paying my taxes and I even voted for Obama (gasp), though I considered other choices. You just might be preaching to the choir. "You might want to make sure you have your facts straight next time." Next time you tell me to get my facts straight, you might want dbl check to make sure I claimed something as fact..or did it just feel good to type that? quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen I said these liars who make a living selling fraudulent tax evasion schemes to others are not patriots. I said that their attempt to coopt the mantle of the founders to legitimize their lies was not patriotic. Both statements are quite clearly true. Truth is a rather elusive concept, much argued and debated about , but hardly ever proven absolutely. It's an easy thing to attack. You're welcome to your assessment and version of the truth, but I'd remind you that they are to theirs also, no matter how much you hate or disagree with them. If you care to label them as liars and the antithesis of patriots, then that's your right also, a right of yours which I believe most of them would defend and possibly to their death. I originally started this thread as a poke at the mainstream media, and whether liberal or conservative, how narrow the scope is of what they chose to cover. In the ideals of liberalism I practice, there's room for examining and perhaps gaining a new bit of knowledge or undertsanding even from those whose opinions I may despise or think foolhardy. But I guess that's too much to ask of you. Anarrus

DomKen -> RE: 2009 CC... is anyone else listening any of it? (11/16/2009 3:06:53 PM)
Cut the crap. You got busted. I knew the actual facts about something and you didn't like it. You strongly implied that these guys, who make a living selling other US citizens tax evasion schemes which if followed will get the buyer jailed, were patriots. I defy you to come up witha definition of patriot that allows for intentionally deceiving and causing the arrest and prosecution of fellow citizens.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: 2009 CC... is anyone else listening any of it? (11/16/2009 6:13:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Anarrus quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Anarrus ahh ok..gotcha If I were a tax dodger or a birther my feelings might be hurt. I'm sure King George called our founding fathers much much worse. I'm sure many of those back when our nation was founded thought of Jefferson, Madison, Washington, Adams, Franklin, et al as fraud artists too. It's easy to sit back smugly and dismissively in judgment of others. It's especially easy when we don't agree with them. It's even easier still when we don't want to rock the boat or go against the grain of popular and politically "safe" mainstream thought. Patriotism comes in many forms, two of those are to question and to challenge. The organization running the event, We the People Foundation, is under a permanent injunction over their fraudulent tax protestor lies. They are also the ones who bought full page birther ads in the Chicago Tribune last December. So it is being run by tax dodgers and birthers which is why it is being ignored. You might want to make sure you have your facts straight next time. As this statement comes only a week after Veteran's Day let me make a special point of responding to you calling the scum involved patriots. It is not patriotic to lie and deceive to enrich yourself at the expense of your fellow citizens. It is not patriotic to attempt to claim the mantle of the founding fathers to push lies about there being no law requiring the payment of income tax and about the birth place of the President. It seems you want to argue based on tax dodgers and birthers. I won't be lead there by you or anyone, but if I was we might find ourselves on the same side of the coin. I believe in paying my taxes and I even voted for Obama (gasp), though I considered other choices. You just might be preaching to the choir. "You might want to make sure you have your facts straight next time." Next time you tell me to get my facts straight, you might want dbl check to make sure I claimed something as fact..or did it just feel good to type that? quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen I said these liars who make a living selling fraudulent tax evasion schemes to others are not patriots. I said that their attempt to coopt the mantle of the founders to legitimize their lies was not patriotic. Both statements are quite clearly true. Truth is a rather elusive concept, much argued and debated about , but hardly ever proven absolutely. It's an easy thing to attack. You're welcome to your assessment and version of the truth, but I'd remind you that they are to theirs also, no matter how much you hate or disagree with them. If you care to label them as liars and the antithesis of patriots, then that's your right also, a right of yours which I believe most of them would defend and possibly to their death. I originally started this thread as a poke at the mainstream media, and whether liberal or conservative, how narrow the scope is of what they chose to cover. In the ideals of liberalism I practice, there's room for examining and perhaps gaining a new bit of knowledge or undertsanding even from those whose opinions I may despise or think foolhardy. But I guess that's too much to ask of you. Anarrus [sm=goodpost.gif]

Anarrus -> RE: 2009 CC... is anyone else listening any of it? (11/17/2009 5:21:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Cut the crap. You got busted. I knew the actual facts about something and you didn't like it. You strongly implied that these guys, who make a living selling other US citizens tax evasion schemes which if followed will get the buyer jailed, were patriots. I defy you to come up witha definition of patriot that allows for intentionally deceiving and causing the arrest and prosecution of fellow citizens. Again you want to lead me down the road of arguing or defending one man and his organization. You can cut the crap too. Frankly I can't care less what facts you know or don't know. Facts can often be spun into any position or agenda one wishes to push if they're crafty or eloquent enough in how they spin. The truth is often hidden and obscured somewhere in the spinning. But here's a fact for you, the CC is gathering of citizens, from all 50 states and organized according to law and rules of order. Dismiss them as you will and paint them in any way that makes you feel good and superior, but they're there because they all share the opinion that our federal government and elected representatives have failed us. It's a simple concept. You may or may not agree, but you're strongly implying that you'd censure them because you disagree based on one man. That's about as far from patriotic as it gets in this country.

DomKen -> RE: 2009 CC... is anyone else listening any of it? (11/17/2009 6:54:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Anarrus quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Cut the crap. You got busted. I knew the actual facts about something and you didn't like it. You strongly implied that these guys, who make a living selling other US citizens tax evasion schemes which if followed will get the buyer jailed, were patriots. I defy you to come up witha definition of patriot that allows for intentionally deceiving and causing the arrest and prosecution of fellow citizens. Again you want to lead me down the road of arguing or defending one man and his organization. You can cut the crap too. Frankly I can't care less what facts you know or don't know. Facts can often be spun into any position or agenda one wishes to push if they're crafty or eloquent enough in how they spin. The truth is often hidden and obscured somewhere in the spinning. But here's a fact for you, the CC is gathering of citizens, from all 50 states and organized according to law and rules of order. Dismiss them as you will and paint them in any way that makes you feel good and superior, but they're there because they all share the opinion that our federal government and elected representatives have failed us. It's a simple concept. You may or may not agree, but you're strongly implying that you'd censure them because you disagree based on one man. That's about as far from patriotic as it gets in this country. Where did I say I would censure anyone? Do not put words in my mouth. You asked why no one was p[aying attention. I told you it was because the event was organized by professional tax evaders and birthers. You tried comparing them to the founders and called them patriots. I explained how they were in reality nothing more than common bunko artists and took exception to you calling people who abuse others patriots. You whined. I pointed out that you were whining. You whined again. I am now pointing out that you whined again. As to this most recent attempt at obfuscation on your part. The truth is the guy who organized this event is a convicted tax protestor. He's under a permanent injunction to not sell his fraudulent scheme to others. He uses such thoroughly and completely debunked claims as the 16th amendment was not legally ratified and that there is no statute requiring that income taxes be paid. He did run 2 full page birther ads in the Chicago Tribune last December. That's not spin those are undisputed facts. People who are really patriots and not just people who don't like paying taxes or have some other axe to grind would have nothing to do with such a person and certainly would not lend credibility to his group by attending an event organized by him which attempts to coopt a name used by real patriots who risked their lives, fortunes and sacred honor to gain our independence.

Anarrus -> RE: 2009 CC... is anyone else listening any of it? (11/17/2009 7:32:26 AM)
Again you're back to the one guy argument. You're welcome to whine all you want about him if you're enjoying whining. You're spinning the credibility issue quite well too. It's an easy way to attack others viewpoints and political positions. Guilt by association in this case. Have at it, enjoy your self-rightousness. I'll send you a cheese and cracker plate.

DomKen -> RE: 2009 CC... is anyone else listening any of it? (11/17/2009 11:03:04 AM)
I'm not spinning anything. You asked a question and didn't like the answer and have whined and attacked the messenger. Don't ask questions if you don't like honest answers.

Anarrus -> RE: 2009 CC... is anyone else listening any of it? (11/17/2009 12:32:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen I'm not spinning anything. You asked a question and didn't like the answer and have whined and attacked the messenger. Don't ask questions if you don't like honest answers. hmmm an honest answer or an opinionated answer....there's a difference. You've whined and attacked just as much. Let's agree to disagree on this. Your ideology and mine will never coincide. I'm willing to let it rest. Bickering gets pretty old after a while. I wish you well. Anarrus

DomKen -> RE: 2009 CC... is anyone else listening any of it? (11/17/2009 12:53:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Anarrus quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen I'm not spinning anything. You asked a question and didn't like the answer and have whined and attacked the messenger. Don't ask questions if you don't like honest answers. hmmm an honest answer or an opinionated answer....there's a difference. You've whined and attacked just as much. Let's agree to disagree on this. Your ideology and mine will never coincide. I'm willing to let it rest. Bickering gets pretty old after a while. I wish you well. Anarrus An honest answer. You have yet to even attempt to dispute any of the facts I've presented, that is of course because you can't, they're very well documented. You're now trying to imply that having a negative opinion of a group that exists to defraud other people is somehow unacceptable. Instead of making that claim here why not track down some people who are in jail because of this group or their fellow travelers or maybe you should just go and see what teh people robbed by Madoff have to say on the matter.

Anarrus -> RE: 2009 CC... is anyone else listening any of it? (11/17/2009 1:17:31 PM)
We're done here. Do you understand?

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