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maugseros -> RE: Would there be any interest in this? (11/20/2009 7:19:17 AM)
I guess the best analagy I could give would be imagine being hogtied and suspended from above.. And the lowered onto a bicycle seat. The seat supporting most of your weight, but still some of your weight being supported from above. How I see getting into it is simply lifting your slave up and sitting them on the "seat", remember, this is just a rough sketch, if the "seat" needs to be widened.. It needs to be widened :) lol. At which point you would basically be sitting on a bicycle like seat. Then each arm and leg at a time you would be locked into the cuffs. The cuffs contected to the bar would then also support some of the slaves weight. Then the dildo and butt plug could be inserted from below through a hole/slot in the bottom of the seat and locked in place. ;) not trying to make it sound like a walk in the park.. Any way you slice it, this isn't for thefaint of heart. ;) and do I hear you right Heirodule? That if I ever do try to produce this device that I found my official product tester? ;) lol

Hierodule -> RE: Would there be any interest in this? (11/20/2009 9:03:41 AM)
Only with my Master's permission. [:)] ETA: I worked in a Haunted attraction where i had to sit on a pneumatic device that flew me out and over the crowd using air pressure. All that held me in it was a bicycle seat with a pole up the back and a harness. It was uncomfortable but do-able. Might be a good idea to make sure the body harness part of the device (the straps over the rib cage) bears some weight and isn't just decorative. You could make it breast bondage-y and it might add to the appeal.

maugseros -> RE: Would there be any interest in this? (11/20/2009 10:04:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hierodule Only with my Master's permission. [:)] ETA: I worked in a Haunted attraction where i had to sit on a pneumatic device that flew me out and over the crowd using air pressure. All that held me in it was a bicycle seat with a pole up the back and a harness. It was uncomfortable but do-able. Might be a good idea to make sure the body harness part of the device (the straps over the rib cage) bears some weight and isn't just decorative. You could make it breast bondage-y and it might add to the appeal. That's fine.. maybe for payment I could give you one of the final prototypes.. >:) That might grant his approval. :) I might also require to be able to take photos for the website though.. ;) The breasty bondage harness part to support more of the weight is a great idea! >:) The only concern would be that part could suddenly become a VERY custom piece of the apparatus that would specifically need to be made to EXACT dimensions of the slave in question. But who knows.. with a laser scanner and rapid prototyping.. in a few years this may be possible without a "break the bank" price tag. Part of the desire to produce something like this would be to make something, while fairly pricy (but also of high quality), wouldn't require one to be a lottery winner, celebrety, CEO, or oil shiek to be able to pay 5, 6 or even 7 figures to have someone make a totally one-off custom designed bondage contraption. :)

Ekoms -> RE: Would there be any interest in this? (11/23/2009 9:05:00 PM)
Nope, tons of pain guaranteed. We need a test pilot. Come on girls!

theRose4U -> RE: Would there be any interest in this? (11/29/2009 9:27:27 AM)
quote: Most of the slaves/subs weight would be supported by the dildo/anal plug seat. Again you're depending on body parts supporting weight they aren't designed to take. If you post pictures of yourself supported 3ft in the air by a butt plug COMFORTABLY AND WITHOUT BODILY HARM then i'll buy it, till then the laws of physics are working against you. quote: There is some adjustabiliy built into the device. And if rapidprototyping keeps comming doNe in price, it may be feasible to build each one to custom measurements of the sub in question. In that case, the device could also be custom modified to make it more or less restrictive based upon a persons preference. Again a custom device that's expensive isn't going to be something for the masses. You're talking about a custom device that includes non-detachable (and questionable cleanliness) items like butt plugs. I personally wouldn't spend $1000 or more to have something built only to have to give it to the sub in question should we part. Can you imagine the ad for a "replacement sub" if you didn't? Domme seeks sub exactly 6ft and 160lbs that enjoys suspension and butt play. CAN NOT be any larger or smaller as custom play device in my home won't fit. EEEK!!! quote: But the liability... You KNOW it would be sold as a novolty device only.. Not meant for actual use. Wink wink . LOL do you have any idea how many lawyers and judges are kinky? If you want novelty keep it doll sized and part of your fantasy story marketing toys.

ishyB -> RE: Would there be any interest in this? (12/1/2009 10:46:57 AM)
Well, I absolutely LOVE LOVE LOVE this design. I don't think it necessarily needs to be custom build either. A lot of the parts could be made in such a way that they are both adjustable in size as in height and as such could accommodate people of different body types. Not everybody of course, but still a fairly large group of people within the same ranges. As to the price I'd be willing to pay for something like this, probably somewhere around 200-500 dollars. From my personal point of view, I would much rather sacrifice some of the esthetics of the device, if that kept the price down, than pay more for something with the same functionality and a nicer look to it. Sorry, OP, I know that's not the type of commentary you are looking for. As to the physical support on the "dildo" seat. I've actually done that sort of thing before, and while it was painful, it wasn't absolutely unbearable for up to about half an hour. (And I am not a huge painslut, just a heavy bondage freak [:D]) The main thing to take into consideration is that both dildos are not too large, so that the actual weight of the person is not so much on the dildo as on the seat itself. The dildos are there more as an extra stimulation, and to provide their own restraining function in terms of sideway motion on the seat. This is a truly wonderful idea, and I echo Hierodule: I wouldn't mind a test drive -with my Master's permission of course...

cpllooking4one -> RE: Would there be any interest in this? (12/1/2009 11:15:22 AM)
i am not sure if it would be that painful (i think most of the discomfort would be from the actual "hogtie position" than from weight on the crotch area). if the seat was more like a "bicycle" seat where the body weight was somewhat supported by the crotch and buttocks. also the seat has a layer of neoprene for padding. you also have to realize that some weight could be absorbed by the ankle, arm and wrist cuffs which would take weight off of the crotch as well. as far as flexibility for each user is concerned i wonder about the "waist band". a fair amount of adjustibility on that would probably be needed the most. i would also be curious if it could have an adjustment mechanism in it that would allow you to provide an even greater back bend for more flexible slaves. as far as cost and design is concerned if you made it more or and industrial piece (for a dungeon) then i think the cost would be fairly cheap. you could probably build and make a profit in the 150-200 dollar range. if you want is sleek chrome plated device more like in your renderings my guess you would need to sell it for about 1000. that being said i havent worked in metal fabrication since college, but i built a weight bench for myself that was very versatile for about 25 dollars.

Ladynslave -> RE: Would there be any interest in this? (12/1/2009 2:21:07 PM)
As my Slave is male, this obviously wouldn't work for me, but it is beautifully rendered and I love copper. OP, I think what GypsyMambo meant was that you need to copyright your designs or someone else could potentially build them and sell them without any proceeds going to you. You have put them into a very public display after all and not all people have scruples.

maugseros -> RE: Would there be any interest in this? (12/4/2009 3:50:16 PM)
quote: The main thing to take into consideration is that both dildos are not too large, so that the actual weight of the person is not so much on the dildo as on the seat itself. The dildos are there more as an extra stimulation, and to provide their own restraining function in terms of sideway motion on the seat. That's the idea.. the dildo's are not supporting any weight. The seat would support most.. followed by the waist cuff, then the two cuffs closest to the arm pits. For practicality.. the seat may even need to be designed so that there is a piece that goes down the thighs and maybe there is even a cuff that locks around the thighs...to support even more weight. Think of more like sitting on a horse saddle. Not that it would look like that.. just as an example of how the seat might be made to support even more weight. I was even thinking that maybe there is another piece that attaches lower to the spine of the device and comes out at knee level and provides a couple of cups for one's knees to set in to support most of one's weight. This would be a part of the device that could be attached if one's slave is going to be bound in it for a long period of time, but could be removed to increase discomfort for shorter peirods of time. :) Again.. this is meant for some serious bondage... it's not supposed to be this super comfortable thing that anyone could be locked up in for days at a time. But on the flip side.. don't want it to be so uncomfortable that it's painful to where even a pain slut couldn't stay in it for more than just a few minutes. That's why I'm liking the idea of a knee support.. so that the comfort could be adjustable. ;) quote: As to the price I'd be willing to pay for something like this, probably somewhere around 200-500 dollars. From my personal point of view, I would much rather sacrifice some of the esthetics of the device, if that kept the price down, than pay more for something with the same functionality and a nicer look to it. Sorry, OP, I know that's not the type of commentary you are looking for. No.. that's exactly what I'm looking for... just the truth of if there would be any interest in something like this and what might people be willing to pay for it. If everyone and their dog loves it, but isn't willing to pay more than a $200.. then there isn't a market for it. Unless "everyone and their dog" was a million+ people.. I don't think there is any way currently to get the price that cheap. I would have to partner with someone to mass produce them by the hundreds of thousands or even millions to get them that cheap... and I know even if I could sell them for $100.. I wouldn't sell that many of them. I know the market is relativly small at ANY price. I guess what I'm shooting for is I could go out right now and find a master artisan who is god of metal working and have them make a one-off of my device. But I could easily see, by the time he/she made a prototype to test it out and get all the dimensions right and test for stability, etc... and then make the final product that it would easily cost into the 5 figures and possibly into the 6 figures to do this (especially once I add all the final details to it and such) And then if I ask them to make me a few dozens of them... sure the price would come down but would still be out of the price for a huge majority of people and I would be lucky to sell even one of them. I could also make a DIY looking knock off of it as a welded together piece of black iron pipe type of device and I might be able to get the price down to a few hundred dollars, but that's not my interest in this. I'm not considering this just as a way to make money. I'm designing what I personally would love.. and when I look out there... I see that there is nothing on the market out there like it, which makes me go "hmmm.. maybe there is an opportunity there". As I said.. there are high end, high quality bondage clothing, latex, harnesses, in general things you "wear".. but as far as devices go.. there really isn't anything. And even bondage beds.. which are still the welded together stock pieces of black iron asthetic... are in the $2000 to $3500 price range. And I'm just wondering as we approach an era where "manufacture on demand" is a reality.. that I might have the ability to come in at that price range or well below, with somthing that otherwise would have cost 5-6 figures to make one of, that looks like it should cost way more than the $2k to $3K stuff that is out there. But then again.. even if I could do it for $1000 (or even less)... there still may not be a market out there for it. That's part of why I'm asking these questions. :) But I'm glad you love it.. ;) Looks like I may have a second beta tester.. ;) quote: but i built a weight bench for myself that was very versatile for about 25 dollars Maybe $25 in materials.. but what about your time? Like what would you have charged to make one for someone? And does it have a very sleek design? Or does it look like pieces of steel welded together? See what I mean? :) quote: Again a custom device that's expensive isn't going to be something for the masses. You're talking about a custom device that includes non-detachable (and questionable cleanliness) items like butt plugs. I personally wouldn't spend $1000 or more to have something built only to have to give it to the sub in question should we part. Can you imagine the ad for a "replacement sub" if you didn't? Domme seeks sub exactly 6ft and 160lbs that enjoys suspension and butt play. CAN NOT be any larger or smaller as custom play device in my home won't fit. EEEK!!! Certainly.. this isn't going to be just a playtoy that someone buys on a whim. :) quote: OP, I think what GypsyMambo meant was that you need to copyright your designs or someone else could potentially build them and sell them without any proceeds going to you. No.. I got that. :) If I'm not mistaken... posting here might provide some copywrite protection. If someone ripped it off and actually produced it.. I believe if I went after them.. they would have to show something that predates my posting here. But even if not.. I'm not to worried about it. :) In a way if someone did it.. I would be more curious to let them use THEIR money to find out if there is a market for somethign like this.. and if they succedded. I would simply reproduce their business model with the thousands of other device designs I have. >:)

ishyB -> RE: Would there be any interest in this? (12/5/2009 2:33:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: maugseros No.. that's exactly what I'm looking for... just the truth of if there would be any interest in something like this and what might people be willing to pay for it. If everyone and their dog loves it, but isn't willing to pay more than a $200.. then there isn't a market for it. Unless "everyone and their dog" was a million+ people.. I don't think there is any way currently to get the price that cheap. I would have to partner with someone to mass produce them by the hundreds of thousands or even millions to get them that cheap... and I know even if I could sell them for $100.. I wouldn't sell that many of them. I know the market is relativly small at ANY price. I guess what I'm shooting for is I could go out right now and find a master artisan who is god of metal working and have them make a one-off of my device. But I could easily see, by the time he/she made a prototype to test it out and get all the dimensions right and test for stability, etc... and then make the final product that it would easily cost into the 5 figures and possibly into the 6 figures to do this (especially once I add all the final details to it and such) And then if I ask them to make me a few dozens of them... sure the price would come down but would still be out of the price for a huge majority of people and I would be lucky to sell even one of them. I could also make a DIY looking knock off of it as a welded together piece of black iron pipe type of device and I might be able to get the price down to a few hundred dollars, but that's not my interest in this. I'm not considering this just as a way to make money. I'm designing what I personally would love.. and when I look out there... I see that there is nothing on the market out there like it, which makes me go "hmmm.. maybe there is an opportunity there". As I said.. there are high end, high quality bondage clothing, latex, harnesses, in general things you "wear".. but as far as devices go.. there really isn't anything. And even bondage beds.. which are still the welded together stock pieces of black iron asthetic... are in the $2000 to $3500 price range. And I'm just wondering as we approach an era where "manufacture on demand" is a reality.. that I might have the ability to come in at that price range or well below, with somthing that otherwise would have cost 5-6 figures to make one of, that looks like it should cost way more than the $2k to $3K stuff that is out there. But then again.. even if I could do it for $1000 (or even less)... there still may not be a market out there for it. That's part of why I'm asking these questions. :) But I'm glad you love it.. ;) Looks like I may have a second beta tester.. ;) To me, as I would assume it to be for most people, it doesn't come down to what I think a device like that would be worth, but to what I actually have in my budget to spend on it. This is the kind of thing that, should I be a multi-millionaire, I would have no doubt about wanting, even if it meant having it custom build at whatever price they'd charge me for it. However, sadly, that is not my reality. And even in the most opportune circumstances it is just very unrealistic to assume that I would ever be in a financial situation where I could blow a couple grand on something like this. Especially not seeing that, when considering what I would budget on equipment, I'd rather go with quantity and have a lot of versatile toys that aren't too complicated but diverse in their usage instead of going with expensive, highly specialized pieces. The only place I could think of that might have the funding, materials, workshop and personal to try and put a design like this into reality is a company like kink.com, who pride themselves in always finding new, unusual and beautiful equipment, often making a lot of it themselves, and who have the workshop and the knowhow to actually make a lot happen. You could try contacting them and see if there is any interest in some of the designs you have. I wish you well, ishy

goten11756 -> RE: Would there be any interest in this? (12/6/2009 8:17:52 AM)
This device/contraption seems very interesting. I can see this one is specifically intended for female subs/slaves, is there a male counterpart version to this?

randstad -> RE: Would there be any interest in this? (12/6/2009 3:51:27 PM)
The way I look at it, this device can be made out of steel easily, both as a one-off and in serial production, at very affordable cost, up to the dildo. I think cost price will be something in the range of $200-300 should be achievable. The foot would have to be shaped a bit different. It takes little imagination to see a 'male ' version of this device: the anal plug, an extra steel ring... It could be coated in any desired colour. Seeing the number of reactions only on this forum, I would think there is a market for this design! Let me know if I can be of any help realising this fantasy.

goten11756 -> RE: Would there be any interest in this? (12/6/2009 8:11:17 PM)
Hmm...I was thinking that for the male version of this device, there would have to be the anal anchor and the extra ring for the base of the penis like you said, but to spice things up, maybe an optional adjustable pole near the penis area for the people interested in sound play. This will definitely keep the sub immobile. Maybe some of the parts in this device can be used as a conductor for electricity for tens units, for example the anal anchor, and some that won't conduct electricity for safety purposes. I'm sure that it will bring the price up a tad but then again, if people have the money to buy this, then I'm sure they can afford to pay a little extra for these options. My two cents...

randstad -> RE: Would there be any interest in this? (12/9/2009 4:32:01 PM)
That's true, but I would reccomend empahasizing on the main structure first, and look at any other options such as sound play and electric play as a step two. Being a professional designer, I am much interested in working out this as a working product.

randstad -> RE: Would there be any interest in this? (12/9/2009 4:44:33 PM)
You are right in saying that IP rights are an important issue. At the same time it is near to impossible to protect your idea from the moment that you publish it on the internet, especially when you ask for feedback. Moving into the new era where everything is available on the internet, I am afraid the market (being the first and the fastest) will determine more and more if an idea turns out to be viable. I hear people say that IP is an outdated concept in the Internet Era, and that the ability to build stragegic alliances is The Future. The Gentle(we)men's agreement, so to say. So do not be afraid Maugseros, I will not steal your idea. However if you are really interested to make this fantasty a working product, you should become active now.

cpllooking4one -> RE: Would there be any interest in this? (12/11/2009 6:45:06 AM)
maugseros, the weight bench was very functional and not really pleasing to the eye. i could easily building the design in under 8 hours for the prototype, and after the jigs are made and the mass production set up is in place you could crank out 3-4 a day even by hand. the biggest time consumption and cost issue is the finish. i would think that one of the few coatings that you could use that would hold up to the desire for flexibility would be chrome plating. chrome plating is probably the cheapest thing you could use that would hold up to the adjustment connections. the finish would take a couple of days and probably be about 1/2 of the cost of the item. its like the old saying the devil is in the details and that is where you will spend most of your time and money.

Cletus -> RE: Would there be any interest in this? (12/11/2009 9:25:29 AM)
A solid base, attachments and interchangeable parts similar to weight training equipment might be better than a hat-rack design.

JWL -> RE: Would there be any interest in this? (12/11/2009 10:57:44 AM)
Just a design suggestion. Make the arm binders adjustable because not all submissives will be able to get their arms that far back. Otherwise...I want.

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