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RE: Copenhagen - climate change as religion, and the US... - 11/27/2009 3:14:24 PM

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It wasn't between 2000 and 2008. It might be again now.

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RE: Copenhagen - climate change as religion, and the US... - 11/27/2009 4:42:24 PM

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I am beginning to HATE copanhagen.

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RE: Copenhagen - climate change as religion, and the US... - 11/27/2009 5:32:39 PM

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Well, the debate about what sort of effects mankind is having on our environment, and what we should or could do about it, has been reduced to silliness about whether or not Al Gore is fat, or whether some scientists faked data. Some scientists? Calling the Ha dley CRU "some scientists is like calling Harvard "some university".

The notion that we are having some sort of an effect on our environment is not debatable. We know for a fact that aquifers are drying up, that forests are being clear cut, that fish stocks are dwindling, that the air and water and ground are being steadily filled with polution. No one debates this.

Whether the world is heating up or not is not proven in a scientific sense, but its really a side issue. The big issue behind global warming is whether or not we will be willing to accept limits on our economies in order to conserve and protect the environment. Ahh, is this a preview of the next goalpost move by the Greenies?

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RE: Copenhagen - climate change as religion, and the US... - 11/27/2009 9:41:53 PM

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I am beginning to HATE copanhagen.

Yeah, DAMN those Copenhageners!
I hear they are renaming it "HopenChangen"

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RE: Copenhagen - climate change as religion, and the US... - 11/28/2009 3:37:58 AM

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is this a preview of the next goalpost move

Yeah..it's tougher living in a world that's not all black and white simplicity, you know.

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RE: Copenhagen - climate change as religion, and the US... - 11/28/2009 7:43:30 AM

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is this a preview of the next goalpost move

Yeah..it's tougher living in a world that's not all black and white simplicity, you know.

Amazing! Now he world isn't "all black & white simplicity"; when until now the message coming from the global warming religion and its messiah was quite different.

From a 60 Minutes interview, Al Gore had some less-than-flattering words about critics of his quest to raise awareness about the perils of global warming:

“I think that those people are in such a tiny, tiny minority now with their point of view. They’re almost like the ones who still believe that the moon landing was staged in a movie lot in Arizona and those who believe the earth is flat. That demeans them a little bit, but it’s not that far off.”

While the messiah's god is green.

Al Gore is chairman and founder of a private equity firm called Generation Investment Management (GIM). According to Gore, the London-based firm invests money from institutions and wealthy investors in companies that are going green. ‘Generation Investment Management (GIM), purchases—but isn’t a provider of—carbon dioxide offsets,’ notes spokesman Richard Campbell. (CNSNews.com, March 7, 2007)

GIM appears to have considerable influence over the major carbon credit trading firms that currently exist: the Chicago Climate Exchange (CCX) in the U.S. and the Carbon Neutral Company (CNC) in Great Britain. CCX is the only firm in the U.S. that claims to trade carbon credits.

Al Gore’s co-founder in GIM? Former Goldman Sachs CEO Hank Paulson, who is currently the Secretary of the U.S. Treasury.

The ultimate money making insider scheme. Political hacks providing tax money joined with scientific hacks always looking for grant handout, combined with a credible deniability of 'good intent', all to line the pockets of the greedy. It only required worshiping fools needing a god and religion to fill something missing in their lives; who now can't believe they've been so duped even though the information is coming from the same sources they believed so fervently for so long.

You really can't help but pity them.

Gore quoted himself from a Sam Donaldson interview in reponse to the heritics attacking him; "I stand by all the misstatements that I've made." --Vice President Al Gore to Sam Donaldson, 8/17/93

Then again, maybe Al tipped his hand once while he was VP and the global warming industry was just putting their people in place. Unfortunatly, this is the one guote that nobody paid attention:

"We are ready for an unforeseen event that
May or may not occur"
Vice President Al Gore, 9/22/97

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RE: Copenhagen - climate change as religion, and the US... - 11/28/2009 7:56:53 AM

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I am beginning to HATE copanhagen.

Why? Nobody's expecting the conference to achieve anything, even if Obama actually deigns to show his face.

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RE: Copenhagen - climate change as religion, and the US... - 11/28/2009 12:56:07 PM

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Merc,

If your point is that Al isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, you'll get no argument from me. My only interest in him ever was that he wasn't Bush. (I still remember the Tipper Gore tiff with the recording industry..)

If your point was to question my views, see the Climategate thread for the actual views.

If your point was delight at repeating your pet "religion" talking point--mission accomplished.

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RE: Copenhagen - climate change as religion, and the US... - 11/28/2009 1:53:34 PM

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Merc,
If your point is that Al isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, you'll get no argument from me. My only interest in him ever was that he wasn't Bush. (I still remember the Tipper Gore tiff with the recording industry..)

If your point was to question my views, see the Climategate thread for the actual views.

If your point was delight at repeating your pet "religion" talking point--mission accomplished./quote]
D - None of the above.

The point was made that the convenience of now representing "it's tougher living in a world that's not all black and white simplicity, you know." is hypocritical at best in the face of previous arguments, either made by the religion, its leaders, or its practitioners. It was never subject from anything but, a 'black / white', no other interpretation of the data is possible, no historical reference is relevant. Now it can be gray - yeah, now nice now that the results have been disclosed as manipulated.

Your need to now back away from the advocacy of Al Gore is a you problem, as is the idea that if I thought your views concerning this religion's demise in another thread would affect that position.

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RE: Copenhagen - climate change as religion, and the US... - 11/28/2009 2:10:12 PM

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Once again, you are inventing views I don't hold and presenting them as mine. You can't show differently, because they don't exist.

What color is the sun in Mercland? Do the flowers talk to you?

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RE: Copenhagen - climate change as religion, and the US... - 11/28/2009 2:26:23 PM

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Once again, you are inventing views I don't hold and presenting them as mine. You can't show differently, because they don't exist.

What color is the sun in Mercland? Do the flowers talk to you?

All "black & white" here in obvious 'Technicolor' in your case. Al is, in your words, "isn't the sharpest tool in the shed..."; yet the religion he founded, disclosed now as agenda based versus science, should now be viewed by eyes not limited to a black and white pragmatism. You post a link to one of the 'churches', NPR, regarding "suppressed studies.

Happy you are now joining those you formally discounted when citing Gore's ability, agenda, and credibility. You may be coming to the table late, but appreciate you brought with you the cold dish of distancing yourself from him.

Didn't take much research - just keep posting. Your need to point to critique as fantasy again discloses your abilities and the weakness of whatever point you claim as being accurate.

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RE: Copenhagen - climate change as religion, and the US... - 11/28/2009 2:50:40 PM

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You post a link to one of the 'churches', NPR, regarding "suppressed studies.

Do you read?

I posted a link to an NPR story covering the suppressed studies. It starts with the damaging emails. It could have come from FOX, it's so unapologetic from the start.

And then, as actual journalists do, they start asking questions.

From there you jump to Mercland.

Are the winters long there? It would explain how you don't get out much.

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RE: Copenhagen - climate change as religion, and the US... - 11/28/2009 3:32:47 PM

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I view the situation in the UK as a matter of UK law that does not apply here in the USA. The judge said it falls under the 2003 whatever. That item is not valid in the USA. I just don't see this to be as sweeping an issue as you paint it although with the crew we have running the show over here religious protections for tree huggers can't be too far off.

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RE: Copenhagen - climate change as religion, and the US... - 11/28/2009 4:45:28 PM

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And then, as actual journalists do, they start asking questions.

Given as more gray area to a subject formerly black and white. Of course the NPR folks are "actual journalists" when prior to this, they and, you apparently as an advocate now hoping to live in the realm of grayness, thought that any dissent from the religion of global warming was special interest driven.

You need to be locked up and isolated to think that's not self serving, rationalization, and hypocrisy, especially when combined with now advocating for the ignorance of Gore and the possible fictitious scientific evidence from the religion he founded. Listen, you've had a bad streak of having to backpedal on a number of issues so I understand and think your fixation with my life as a reality not yet experienced by you is admirable. However it is still off topic.

I'm glad your more in touch with reality and hope the next time you get behind another seemingly black and white issue from the next Gore-type that comes along you're remember this experience.

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RE: Copenhagen - climate change as religion, and the US... - 11/28/2009 4:53:06 PM

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You need to support your claims.

First, find evidence other than your psychic abilities to support what you claim I believe/d. Try the search feature. Actual evidence.

You will then realize you are full of shit. Again.

In Mercland, you can invent positions and attack them. On earth, people expect evidence.

Your special powers and the tin foil hat only work in your imagination.

Do you keep spare strawmen on hand, just in case?

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RE: Copenhagen - climate change as religion, and the US... - 11/28/2009 5:48:31 PM

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You need to support your claims.

First, find evidence other than your psychic abilities to support what you claim I believe/d. Try the search feature. Actual evidence.

You will then realize you are full of shit. Again.

In Mercland, you can invent positions and attack them. On earth, people expect evidence.

Your special powers and the tin foil hat only work in your imagination.

Do you keep spare strawmen on hand, just in case?

I made no claims. Only used you in this thread as an appropriate example of the position you advocate. It served. I'm happy you can see the gray.

You define straw-man by your posts in your attempt to make it about me. Amusing, I guess I should be flattered.

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RE: Copenhagen - climate change as religion, and the US... - 11/28/2009 9:12:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

I am beginning to HATE copanhagen.

Why? Nobody's expecting the conference to achieve anything, even if Obama actually deigns to show his face.

I hope no treaty occurs. It is a huge scam.

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RE: Copenhagen - climate change as religion, and the US... - 11/29/2009 5:16:53 AM

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Like the Kyoto one, you mean? It isn't like that one had any impact on American business, and I doubt that anything coming out of Copenhagen will either.

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RE: Copenhagen - climate change as religion, and the US... - 11/29/2009 6:43:13 AM

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I made no claims. Only used you in this thread as an appropriate example of the position you advocate.

Nope--you MADE UP a position you IMAGINED as mine....again. Then proceeded to "refute" the imaginary. Hence, Mercland.

Seriously. It's not a dig. You are firmly in your own world of misperception. You'd give Don Quixote a run for his money.

If I were claiming you held previous views, I'd be able to produce them. You can't, as they only exist in Mercland.

Here on Earth, we use Evidence for those things. I know those are hard words in Mercish. They both start with E--maybe this will help.

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RE: Copenhagen - climate change as religion, and the US... - 11/29/2009 6:52:13 AM

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Seriously. It's not a dig. You are firmly in your own world of misperception.

Lets review shall we....

I always was of the opinion that there was a hidden agenda behind the global warming 'science.' I always thought that Al Gore was in it for the money and prestige and his actions were, if nothing else, hypocritical. I thought that the followers who believed in global warming and refused to consider any gray area, at least until now, were religious in their faith based refusal to consider any alternative.

All that has now be disclosed at fact. You are now believing in, if not those same things, the possibility of it not being so "black & white".

You don't provide any contrary argument but are focused on me, stopping for a peek at our profile again just this morning. Your envy of 'Mercland' is flattering, although a bit childish, considering your response links to a child's program it may reflect your intellectual abilities, and silly. Maybe if you watched or read adult programs and news, you'd be better at keeping up.

Yet I am living in a dreamland.

Who's delusional?

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