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RE: MIT analyst supports Senate Health care plan: Premi... - 12/12/2009 2:26:27 AM   
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What should be next is a fillibuster if Lieberman is good to his word and understands the bill.


Lieberman being good to his word?



Joe Lieberman is a a little weasel who will do or say anything that benefits Joe Lieberman.


Lieberman 2006: I Will Help Obama "Reach to the Stars"

"As far as I'm concerned [Barack Obama] is a 'Baruch,' which means a blessing. He is a blessing to the United States Senate, to America, and to our shared hopes for better, safer tomorrows for all our families. The gifts that God has given to Barack Obama are as enormous as his future is unlimited. As his mentor, as his colleague, as his friend, I look forward to helping him reach to the stars and realize not just the dreams he has for himself, but the dreams we all have for him and our blessed country."


Lieberman hails McCain's record, criticizes Obama
Sept 2, 2008

ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) - Sen. Joe Lieberman, the Democratic vice presidential pick eight years ago, on Tuesday criticized his former party's nominee as an untested candidate unwilling to challenge powerful interest groups as both Republican John McCain and one-time Democratic President Clinton have done.


December 1, 2008  Yale Daily News - Lieberman praises Obama

“Everything that President-elect Obama has done since election night has been just about perfect, both in terms of a tone and also in terms of the strength of the names that have either been announced or are being discussed to fill his administration,” he said.





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RE: MIT analyst supports Senate Health care plan: Premi... - 12/12/2009 5:44:59 AM   
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As far as the health care bill... i said i would not support it. I do NOT support the absence of public options. As i have also said, im waiting to see whats coming out to go before Obama. No where did i say i would "start a campaign".


Isn't the public option still in the house version? That means that it can easily come back in the conference committee - and that's not subject to filibuster.

I'm not sure if that will actually happen, since Max Baucus will quite possibly be heading the conference committee on the Senate side, and he's deep in the insurance companies' pockets.


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RE: MIT analyst supports Senate Health care plan: Premi... - 12/12/2009 6:34:29 AM   
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RE: MIT analyst supports Senate Health care plan: Premi... - 12/12/2009 7:08:42 AM   
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I am goign neither way at this point. Waiting to see what the idiot Senators who are hiding deep in the insurance industries pockets will do next.

What should be next is a fillibuster if Lieberman is good to his word and understands the bill.

If he does that, Lieberman is going to go away. He hasn't announced it, but if he does filibuster, I don't think he'll be able to survive politically. Even as it is, he is already damaged goods for the Dems after his campaign shenanigans in 2006.




To the contrary, he will be a hero and could very well lead to national office.

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RE: MIT analyst supports Senate Health care plan: Premi... - 12/12/2009 7:28:51 AM   
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RE: MIT analyst supports Senate Health care plan: Premi... - 12/13/2009 5:39:30 PM   
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I know thousands of beneficiaries who ARE receving benefits without paying any premium at all. There is no penalty for not being enrolled in Part D!!!! That is absolutely false! There is a premium up-charge if you don't enroll when newly eligible and then wish to enroll later (except if you had been covered by other creditable coverage through another type of insurance or covered by a state plan.) You never have to enroll in Part D if you prefer to pay retail for your prescriptions or choose a different plan.

Social Security would never advise anyone to drop out of Part D because of the possibility of wanting to enroll later on. Social Security has nothing whatsoever to do with Medicare!

Please fact check! These claims you are making are absolutely false!

EVERY Part D insurer has to follow very strict rules set up by CMS (Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services. Any Insurer who would deny coverage of a medically necessary drug would be sanctioned!

Why don't you just go down to your local drug store and ask the pharmacist if Medicare Part D insurance plans only pay for medications after there is a law suit? What a crock! Of course Part D plans pay and pay and pay and again, anyone who earns less than 150% of Federal Poverty Level pays no premium at all.

You can go to Medicare.gov or CMS.gov or even call your local SS office and ask them if they can make recommendations on Medicare plans. Try asking a few pharmacists or reading a little bit on the program.


Just saw your response.  I do not have my x's file but in your response you note another aspect that I would classify as a penalty.  If you decide not to participate in D, then there is a "charge up" addition.  So, if you decide not to pay the insurance company, then you have to pay a "charge up" rate later.  Where I live that is a penalty and extortion. 

The social security worker used the word "fraud," phase "Part D," and the word "republicans" and said just that.  She said that she was getting non stop complaints and was tired of the fraud.  She gave us names and phone numbers. Her words invigorated  me  for a week.  People were actually sounding off about this. It was during the time the tea bagers were warning the citizens how the government would place a worker between the patient and the doctor.  Here we had the profiteers short stopping the doctors' wishes, per usual. (My x's doctor was talking about taking her mother out of Part D because she (the doctor) could not figure the plan out.)

You mention the 150% figure several times.  I truly hope that someone is benefiting other than the insurance companies from Part D.  You see Wilbuer does not understand insurance.  The premium is not the same as a company's net profit.  Honestly, the insurers occasionally have to pay something out of the premium.

What I intend to do is re enroll my x.  When the insurer refuses to pay, I will play their game and when the final refusal comes, I am going to file a complaint.  Each refusal means another separate law suit.  I have several others who want to do the same thing.  I have found that insurance companies will screw you over until you start costing them legal fees; a lot of legal fees.  I once cost a large multi line insurer between 1 to 2 million in attorney fees in a single case (it had to pay its attorneys)   The insurer got the message and settled with 49 out of 50 states on the issue I was punishing them with.  It got off lightly because insurers own the states, but it had to admit wrongdoing. Since then I have decided the only way to defeat insurers is to cost them attorney fees and court costs; a lot of costs and a lot of attorney fees. 

If Part D works for you great.

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RE: MIT analyst supports Senate Health care plan: Premi... - 12/13/2009 10:26:27 PM   
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What I intend to do is re enroll my x.  When the insurer refuses to pay, I will play their game and when the final refusal comes, I am going to file a complaint.  Each refusal means another separate law suit.  I have several others who want to do the same thing.  I have found that insurance companies will screw you over until you start costing them legal fees; a lot of legal fees.  I once cost a large multi line insurer between 1 to 2 million in attorney fees in a single case (it had to pay its attorneys)   The insurer got the message and settled with 49 out of 50 states on the issue I was punishing them with.  It got off lightly because insurers own the states, but it had to admit wrongdoing. Since then I have decided the only way to defeat insurers is to cost them attorney fees and court costs; a lot of costs and a lot of attorney fees. 


Good luck with that approach! Unfortunately I suspect that it's not going to work in the end, because insurance companies have another out: if they can't screw you over, they can either drop your coverage, or if the coverage is mandated, they can leave the business altogether.

Come to think about it, that may not be the worst outcome: drive all private insurances out of Medicare Part D. Maybe then politicians will finally realize that it isn't working.


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RE: MIT analyst supports Senate Health care plan: Premi... - 12/14/2009 7:54:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
I am goign neither way at this point. Waiting to see what the idiot Senators who are hiding deep in the insurance industries pockets will do next.

What should be next is a fillibuster if Lieberman is good to his word and understands the bill.

If he does that, Lieberman is going to go away. He hasn't announced it, but if he does filibuster, I don't think he'll be able to survive politically. Even as it is, he is already damaged goods for the Dems after his campaign shenanigans in 2006.




To the contrary, he will be a hero and could very well lead to national office.


Do you realize who came up with the provision Lieberman wants removed?

Lieberman himself.

Flip-flopping like a good Republican. Except with kind of a D.


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