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servantforuse -> RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn't work in the emergency room' (1/18/2010 7:31:17 PM)

I agree. Martha Coakley doesn't agree and said so in an interview. This thread is about her, not me and you. She said these things in a very Catholic state weeks before an election.



yummee -> RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn't work in the emergency room' (1/18/2010 7:33:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

That was here in the Twin Cities. And yes, it was quite a problem. They would often abandon their passengers, just toss them out of their cabs and leave them wherever they happened to be. Not just people who were drinking, but blind old ladies with service dogs, for god's sake. I was just disgusted with how many local politicians bent over backwards trying to find ways to "accommodate" their beliefs. The whole thing was absurd. Your job is to drive anyone who gets in your cab anywhere they want to go, period. Don't want to do that, find another job, pure and simple.



Thanks for the location <3  I remember thinking that was an odd line of work to get into if you didn't want drunks in your cab.  I mean, what's a drunk to do if not call a cab?  I hadn't even thought about service dogs ... oh my.  I'm left wondering how much money they made if they refused anyone drunk or with an animal.  Where I'm from, half the population is drunk ... and where I live now, half the population has their dog with them ... in the grocery store FFS.




GotSteel -> RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn't work in the emergency room' (1/18/2010 9:52:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse
'religious superstition'. Some see protecting the life of an unborn child a little differently. Some don't care.

Hey what is this? Is it an unborn pig? Maybe it's an unborn child and suddenly this clump of cells becomes more important then the actual person carrying it or maybe it's just an unborn salamander.

I'm wondering if you actually "see" the life of an unborn child that needs protecting in a clump of cells similar to these or if you've just been spoon-fed this position by someone whose concept of reality isn't very real.

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FatDomDaddy -> RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn't work in the emergency room' (1/18/2010 10:01:57 PM)

OK Steel... tell me exacly when is it that human life begins? If you can pinpoint it to some time later, I'll agree with you. If not, than I will give the benifit of doubt, since the end result of human conception is an actual human being and not a pig or salamande, to life begining at the afore mentioned conception.



Kirata -> RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn't work in the emergency room' (1/18/2010 10:48:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

OK Steel... tell me exacly when is it that human life begins? If you can pinpoint it to some time later, I'll agree with you. If not, than I will give the benifit of doubt, since the end result of human conception is an actual human being and not a pig or salamande, to life begining at the afore mentioned conception.

I think an obligation to treat a developing fetus as a human being become unavoidable at the point where there arises in us, whether because of its appearance or its movements or any combination of the two, an emotional response to it, an emotional recognition of it, as a human life. Until our gut tells us that this is a little human being, its humanity is an abstraction.

K.



FatDomDaddy -> RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn't work in the emergency room' (1/18/2010 11:28:36 PM)

I do not completely disagree and to that I point I am a proponent of the morning after pill as it induces an early menstrual cycle that may or MAY NOT have within it a fertilized egg. My benefit of doubt begins with the knowledge of conception, not with the possibility of it.

But again… I am waiting for an instance where in a Massachusetts hospital; a rape victim could not receive a contraception drug because all of the attendings were morally opposed to administering it?

That bill was trying to protect employment rights. As pointed out by a previous poster Coakley supports language in the current Senate Bill, which she opposed adding to a current Massachusetts law. She’s was called upon on it and could not respond and instead, said Catholic nurses and physicians should find other professions.

And people on this thread are saying the hospital administers should be allowed to fire nurses and or doctors solely for not administering abortion and/or contraceptive drugs! Are you kidding me???



WyldHrt -> RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn't work in the emergency room' (1/19/2010 12:40:18 AM)

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Still, nothing about telling a non smoking cocktail waitress to go find a waitress job at a restaurant where there is no smoking.
Oh no... we cannot have that.

Okies, here it is.... hell, yes! IMO, xhe should look for work in a non-smoking atmosphere if it is a problem for hir.

For myself, I majored in Forestry when I started college, but found that many of the "givens" of the profession were repugnant to me, and offended my personal code of ethics. Rather than continue on a course that would lead me to a job that I would not be able to perform, I changed my major to Ecology. 





WyldHrt -> RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn't work in the emergency room' (1/19/2010 12:50:01 AM)

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And people on this thread are saying the hospital administers should be allowed to fire nurses and or doctors solely for not administering abortion and/or contraceptive drugs! Are you kidding me???

Turn it around a bit. Are you saying that a doctor or nurse should "be allowed" to take a job at a Planned Parenthood clinic, knowing full well that their religious convictions prevent them from participating in abortion procedures and/or administering contraceptive drugs? Are you kidding me???



Kirata -> RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn't work in the emergency room' (1/19/2010 1:23:51 AM)


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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

And people on this thread are saying the hospital administers should be allowed to fire nurses and or doctors solely for not administering abortion and/or contraceptive drugs! Are you kidding me???

Well I didn't intend to appear to be taking a position on that. I just found the question that you asked Steel to be interesting in its own right. I don't subscribe to the notion that a ball of snot is a human being, or that destroying a fully formed baby that's due next week is okay because it hasn't been born yet. The question is, and your question as I interpreted it was, when exactly is the line crossed? That was my best answer.

K.



Moonhead -> RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn't work in the emergency room' (1/19/2010 4:36:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

And people on this thread are saying the hospital administers should be allowed to fire nurses and or doctors solely for not administering abortion and/or contraceptive drugs! Are you kidding me???

Well I didn't intend to appear to be taking a position on that. I just found the question that you asked Steel to be interesting in its own right. I don't subscribe to the notion that a ball of snot is a human being, or that destroying a fully formed baby that's due next week is okay because it hasn't been born yet. The question is, and your question as I interpreted it was, when exactly is the line crossed? That was my best answer.

K.

Isn't the legal distinction whether or not it can survive outside of the body if it's born prematurely? With how good incubators are these days, I'm surprised the ceiling cat worshippers have a problem with that.



eyesopened -> RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn't work in the emergency room' (1/19/2010 4:46:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

They have a right to work where they want. It's the politically correct thing to do..


And employers have the right to have their employees do the job they were hired to do.



maybemaybenot -> RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn't work in the emergency room' (1/19/2010 5:29:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt

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And people on this thread are saying the hospital administers should be allowed to fire nurses and or doctors solely for not administering abortion and/or contraceptive drugs! Are you kidding me???

Turn it around a bit. Are you saying that a doctor or nurse should "be allowed" to take a job at a Planned Parenthood clinic, knowing full well that their religious convictions prevent them from participating in abortion procedures and/or administering contraceptive drugs? Are you kidding me???



Do you really believe anyone with those beliefs would even apply for a job at Planned Parenthood ? There business is contraception and abortion. It would be like a vegan appying for a job at a slaughterhouse.



kittinSol -> RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn't work in the emergency room' (1/19/2010 6:20:31 AM)

Why are the matters of human sexuality and reproduction still subjected to moral and religious notions? It's time to separate them. Women's bodies aren't incubators to be hijacked by the political forces of reaction: enough is enough is enough.



FatDomDaddy -> RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn't work in the emergency room' (1/19/2010 8:59:29 AM)

kittin... the reason for these debates are because of for profit abortion as a contraceptive.

The issuse of rape, actual health of the mother, ect make up a minscule fraction to the number of abortions
done every year compared to abortions done solely because of the selfishness of the mother.

The American People overwhelmly support reasonable contraception, including the morning after pill but
abortion on demand has gotten out of hand.



kittinSol -> RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn't work in the emergency room' (1/19/2010 9:06:04 AM)

Nothing wrong with abortion on demand. If a patient needs it, she should get it. It is up to her and her doctor to decide. It's not up to you, or the politicians: or rather, it shouldn't be up to you, wombless bastards :-) . It's a necessary and legal medical procedure: if you don't like it, don't have it done.




mnottertail -> RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn't work in the emergency room' (1/19/2010 9:10:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

kittin... the reason for these debates are because of for profit abortion as a contraceptive.



So, another socialist (posing as a neo-con) comes to the fore....do you guys have chemicals in your brain that say think about what you say, or not? Just curious.

Ron




Jeffff -> RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn't work in the emergency room' (1/19/2010 9:24:57 AM)

God hates them. He has abandoned them. They are rudderless in thought and action.


TheVeryReverendJeff



kittinSol -> RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn't work in the emergency room' (1/19/2010 9:27:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

God hates them. He has abandoned them. They are rudderless in thought and action.


TheVeryReverendJeff


Such love [sm=biggrin.gif] .



Moonhead -> RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn't work in the emergency room' (1/19/2010 9:36:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy
The American People overwhelmly support reasonable contraception, including the morning after pill but
abortion on demand has gotten out of hand.

And there was me thinking that it's gotten out of hand because the American people, or at least the godbothering ones with their hands up the GOP's arse, don't support reasonable contraception, just like they don't support sex education for teenagers or chemists who'd rather not employ staff who refuse to fill scrips fro contraceptives or stock rubbers.



kittinSol -> RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn't work in the emergency room' (1/19/2010 9:39:52 AM)

Only the unborn are worth loving. Once they've popped out, it's up to them to make something out of themselves, goddammit.



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