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RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn'... - 1/19/2010 11:41:10 AM   
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Do you really believe anyone with those beliefs would even apply for a job at Planned Parenthood ? There business is contraception and abortion. It would be like a vegan appying for a job at a slaughterhouse.


If vegans couldn't be fired for not slaughtering animals, I suspect that quite a few would try to get hired.

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RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn'... - 1/19/2010 11:49:19 AM   
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RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn'... - 1/19/2010 11:50:36 AM   
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RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn'... - 1/19/2010 11:55:04 AM   
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RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn'... - 1/19/2010 11:58:53 AM   
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Boy the Catholics have been really hounding the airwaves trying to regather the flock.

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RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn'... - 1/19/2010 12:00:29 PM   
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RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn'... - 1/19/2010 12:15:34 PM   
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I don't subscribe to the notion that a ball of snot is a human being, or that destroying a fully formed baby that's due next week is okay because it hasn't been born yet.


While I certainly can't agree that we should make the decision emotionally, this part we do agree on.

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RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn'... - 1/19/2010 12:18:56 PM   
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bloody ridiculous statement



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RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn'... - 1/19/2010 12:27:10 PM   
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OK Steel... tell me exacly when is it that human life begins? If you can pinpoint it to some time later, I'll agree with you. If not, than I will give the benifit of doubt, since the end result of human conception is an actual human being and not a pig or salamande, to life begining at the afore mentioned conception.


There's an argument from ignorance fallacy.  

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RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn'... - 1/19/2010 12:47:15 PM   
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Only the unborn are worth loving. Once they've popped out, it's up to them to make something out of themselves, goddammit.

I'd have a lot more sympathy for all this "no birth control" shit if the people who came out with it weren't so rabidly opposed to any kind of welfare handouts for people who can't feed or look after their kids.

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RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn'... - 1/19/2010 12:52:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		The "no contraception" thing really fries my ass. Nope, conceive away and deal. What the fuck? Doesn't it just make sense to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place? And just when did sex become so evil?

And just why does God want us to prevent unwanted children in impoverished and overpopulated nations?

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RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn'... - 1/19/2010 1:40:25 PM   
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RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn'... - 1/19/2010 1:58:01 PM   
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OK Steel... tell me exacly when is it that human life begins? If you can pinpoint it to some time later, I'll agree with you. If not, than I will give the benifit of doubt, since the end result of human conception is an actual human being and not a pig or salamande, to life begining at the afore mentioned conception.


Human life begins when a human gets a life of hir own -- IE, when xhe is no longer completely and utterly, parasitically dependent on something else to live... XIE, when xhe is BORN and BREATHES on hir own. Before that, xhe is a -potential-, not a person, and the priorities of saving life, and the decision about whether or not to continue in the creation of a life, IMO, go first to the existing, living, breathing, thinking human being on whom the parasitic creature depends.

Now I -love- my offspring dearly, and I took damned good care of them when I was carrying them -- but if I'd listened to my doctors when they told me to abort my first baby because it was damaging me, I probably would still have fully functional kidneys and a fully functional heart... but instead, I listed to my parents and in-laws, who convinced me that that parasite was more important than I was, and that I would roast somewhere in Hell if I had the NERVE to protect my own health over hers... and it is more than amazing (and a tribute to some amazing rescue work by the doctor-on-call who was there when I delivered) that I survived her premature birth. (She, however, was so traumatized by the lack of oxygen/nutrients and exposure to toxins because of my damaged heart/kidneys that she only survived 16 minutes after delivery).

This -must- be a personal decision, not regulated by the State. It is a torturous decision for most women, no matter what their opinion on the subject, and doesn't get any easier with every Tom, Dick, and Martha sticking their nose in the matter. I don't care what someone else's religious convictions are -- they're welcome to them... but people need to keep their religious convictions out of other people's business when it is no matter of theirs... and that INCLUDES letting people on a shift help one another out so that, if one person has moral issues with a part of the job, others in the workplace can work out how to make sure that the clients are taken care of AND the workers' convictions are respected.

As for the situation posted earlier about the doctor who refused to give care, at that point, it is YOUR RIGHT as a patient to request a different physician, and it is the OBLIGATION of the institution to provide one. An on-call doctor could have been called from another department (including the on-call OB/GYN) to resolve the matter. We used to do it all the time in the ER... but patients need to know that they can -do- that, and the hospital isn't going to tell you... so it really -is- a case of being pro-active about your own care. It is highly unlikely that the hospital won't have a single nurse, PA, or doctor who can provide for a patient's needs because of moral/religious convictions.

*sheesh*
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RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn'... - 1/19/2010 2:05:12 PM   
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The procedure is usually performed during the fifth month of gestation or later. The woman's cervix is dilated, and the fetus is partially removed from the womb, feet first. The surgeon inserts a sharp object into the back of the fetus' head, removes it, and inserts a vacuum tube through which the brains are extracted. The head of the fetus contracts at this point and allows the fetus to be more easily removed from the womb.
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last week of pregnancy?? who thehell does that??
bloody ridiculous statement




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RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn'... - 1/19/2010 2:26:01 PM   
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not third trimester. Show me any proof, any proof, that it is a procedure to abort where the mother is perfectly healthy and not in danger of death, and the fetus is NORMAL
and the procedure is for the selfishness of the pregnant woman
LAST WEEK

NOW tell me your stories


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RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn'... - 1/19/2010 2:34:23 PM   
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http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2010/jan/10011502.html


I wonder if she thinks non-smokers shouldn't work in bars and restaurants that allow smoking too... I am guessing not.

So... She's insulted Red Sox fans with cracks about Fenway and Shilling, She's insluted Catholics and other people of Faith who hold a similar view, what's next? Maybe she can fit in someting about drunken Irish for the hat trick.


Hey FatDomDaddy, I am Irish, former Catholic, and huge Red Sox fan and I don't give a fuck about her opinion re: Schilling. Perhaps she ought to insult people that can not spell for her next hat trick? Just saying. For some of us, politics is more than pandering to sports fans, and religion, which are meaningless. I don't care for either one of the candidates, but is that the best you have? Really? Wow.....


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RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn'... - 1/19/2010 2:36:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Partial birth abortion has, to my knowledge, never been a elective procedure. Usually, it is done where the risk of carrying the baby through the last trimester of pregnancy virtually -guarantees- that the mother and fetus will both die. Where it is possible to do so, other methods of termination are used, but D&E, especially in a critically ill woman, is less likely to result in severe morbidity/mortality than the hysterotomy that is the alternative.

When D&E is done in a mother who is not terminal, it is still not an elective procedure, and is done where the baby is terminal already and will not survive the remainder of the pregnancy in any case, but where the mother is not in a position to be able to deliver -- a severely malformed baby, a baby in the "complete breech" or "transverse" position, or a baby whose head is swollen with fluid (hydrocephaly) to the point where it would never pass through the pelvic margins.

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RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn'... - 1/19/2010 2:36:17 PM   
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http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2010/jan/10011502.html


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RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn'... - 1/19/2010 2:42:50 PM   
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Partial birth abortion has, to my knowledge, never been a elective procedure. Usually, it is done where the risk of carrying the baby through the last trimester of pregnancy virtually -guarantees- that the mother and fetus will both die. Where it is possible to do so, other methods of termination are used, but D&E, especially in a critically ill woman, is less likely to result in severe morbidity/mortality than the hysterotomy that is the alternative.

When D&E is done in a mother who is not terminal, it is still not an elective procedure, and is done where the baby is terminal already and will not survive the remainder of the pregnancy in any case, but where the mother is not in a position to be able to deliver -- a severely malformed baby, a baby in the "complete breech" or "transverse" position, or a baby whose head is swollen with fluid (hydrocephaly) to the point where it would never pass through the pelvic margins.

Calla



Calla I agree with you.... I know most of them are done because of the viabiilty issue of mum or child, ..not as a "selfish" choice.
the partial birth option is not "common" but is seen as such , I just wanted to put him straight


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RE: Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics 'Probably shouldn'... - 1/19/2010 2:45:14 PM   
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Partial birth abortion has, to my knowledge, never been a elective procedure. Usually, it is done where the risk of carrying the baby through the last trimester of pregnancy virtually -guarantees- that the mother and fetus will both die. Where it is possible to do so, other methods of termination are used, but D&E, especially in a critically ill woman, is less likely to result in severe morbidity/mortality than the hysterotomy that is the alternative.

When D&E is done in a mother who is not terminal, it is still not an elective procedure, and is done where the baby is terminal already and will not survive the remainder of the pregnancy in any case, but where the mother is not in a position to be able to deliver -- a severely malformed baby, a baby in the "complete breech" or "transverse" position, or a baby whose head is swollen with fluid (hydrocephaly) to the point where it would never pass through the pelvic margins.

Calla


I did find it pretty funny that the site Mezrem quoted that snippet from seems to be one that's there to debunk right to life misinformation about the procedure.

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