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numbness in leg - 1/19/2010 9:41:21 PM   
LewSub


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Hi all,

my mistress and I were playing with suspension today, I was probably up for about 20 minutes. Afterwords I realized that I have some numbness in my right shin which goes down and stops just before my ankle. That was around 6:30 pm and its 12:30am and I still feel it. I am trying to stay calm but cant help but somewhat worried. Should it return to normal feeling in the morning or should I do some exercises/stretches to help it along? Thanks for any speedy responses
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RE: numbness in leg - 1/20/2010 6:55:43 AM   
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I don't know what the right answer is, but I had something similar happen a couple weeks ago. I was in tight handcuffs for maybe an hour and afterwards, both thumbs were numb. It's been two weeks and both thumbs have slowly gotten better. The right one feels 99% normal now, but the left is still a bit numb. My experience would indicate that time is all that's needed, but I'm sure there are times when that's not true. Unfortunately, I don't know when medical attention is warranted.

Good luck. It is kind of scary.

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RE: numbness in leg - 1/20/2010 4:05:01 PM   
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Sounds like you have some nerve insult - and unfortunately there is little you can do to speed the recovery. Maybe take some anti-inflammatories to decrease any local swelling would help.

I had the thumb numbness thing once - and my Sir scolded me for not telling him that it was occurring. And it took several weeks to resolve.

Look at what you were doing , and ammend your play to prevent this from happening again.

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RE: numbness in leg - 1/20/2010 8:36:30 PM   
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A couple of years back i had the same problem with numbness in my left thumb after having been in metal handcuffs for a couple of hours. At first i thought it was just my hand going "asleep" but later that evening a small bruise showed up and the numbness/ tingling when touched, last a good 5 mths.

This topic was brought up in a group on Alt and it was suggested by someone who has been putting them on people for 30 yrs....make sure you put your finger in between the submissive's wrist and the ratchet, and make sure you lock double lock them, that way you will leave room for movement, and they will not adjust themselves during play. Play safe with them, they can be fun, but they can also be very damaging if not used properly.




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RE: numbness in leg - 1/21/2010 9:27:48 AM   
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How is it now? Look up "dermatome" on the web and see if your numbness pattern exactly follows one band. If so then the insult might have been at the spine so you need to be careful that you don't have a problem there that might preclude further suspension. If you do, then you should also consider some stretching and strengthenning in the future to avoid further problems even without the bondage.

If not then likely it was pressure on the nerve somewhere in your butt or leg. It will heal, but it will take a long time. Advil might help a little. It shouldn't have any permanent affect on you and shouldn't preclude future suspension. But your mistress should ocasionally touch your skin in the potentially affected areas and adjust if numbness is ocuring. It's important with any bondage, especially suspension, to assess frequently and relieve pressure when numbness occurs. It soulnds like it was nerve impingement which happens sometimes but needs to be recognized quickly and limited. The other possibility is circulatory impingement ("falling asleep") which is actually MORE dangerous. A slight tingling as circulation returns to a previously bound area is nothing to worry about but any time you have significant color change (pale or blue) or cool skin or obvious sensation of circulation lost during a scene you should let the top know immediately and end the restriction immediately. Lost circulation can lead to lost limbs, or worse. It's rare to have serious problems but it does happen. Trust, knowledge, and communication....

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RE: numbness in leg - 2/1/2010 8:07:27 AM   
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Hey everyone, thanks for the input and the advice. I decided to just wait it out and now feel almost completely better. I will have to try to be more sensitive to how my body feels in the future.

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RE: numbness in leg - 4/9/2010 6:22:35 PM   
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People doing bondage, especially suspension, need to be aware of nerve paths otherwise they are straying into a minefield. here's some research I have done: http://www.esinem.com/Misc/nerve damage part1b.rtf Not much on leg nerves but I'd welcome any input.

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RE: numbness in leg - 6/20/2010 7:41:59 PM   
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ty for the info ~ jewels

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RE: numbness in leg - 6/21/2010 2:03:04 AM   
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Numbness in the thumbs and first two fingers, often accompanied by wrist drop, are symptoms of radial nerve damage. This is typically caused by handcuffs or rope digging into the gap between hand and wrist bone. On the opposite side, you have the ulnar which serves the pinky and 3rd finger. As my nerve damage study shows there are other vulnerable points up the arm.

@Wayhome I feel you are exaggerating the downside of circulation restriction in normal play. It takes some considerable time to cause tissue death and, I understand, the experience is excruciatingly painful if things were to get to that advanced stage. Circulation is often cut off during surgery for quite some time with no adverse effect. That is not to say that there are not dangers from pooled blood returning and causing toxic shock or oxygen starved tissue/nerves being made more vulnerable by the flood of oxygenated blood.

Nerve damage can happen quickly, without warning and can be permanent. Generally, recovery begins in days/weeks and there is little you can do except wait and not aggravate the condition. It is a question of allowing the nerve to regenerate. This happens at roughly 1mm per day but you can read more than you ever want to know about that here http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/480071_5 Regeneration is not the same as return to function and this is why it can take weeks/months:

"Axonal regeneration is not synonymous with return of function. A process of maturation precedes functional recovery. Morphological changes of maturation proceed along the regenerating axon at a slower rate than axon regrowth and continue for a protracted period—as long as 1 year. Remyelination develops in a manner similar to that for developing nerve fibers, involving alignment of Schwann cells and encircling of the axon to form a multilamellated sheath. This process begins within 2 weeks of the onset of axonal regeneration and results in myelinated axons quite similar to the originals except with shortened internodes. The axon's diameter increases progressively until normal dimensions are reached, but this enlargement is dependent on the establishment of functional connections between the axon tip and the appropriate end organ."



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RE: numbness in leg - 6/22/2010 4:45:42 PM   
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Tight cuffs, incorrect suspension equipment, rope can all injure nerves if used incorrectly. Wrist, ankles and elbows are key areas to watchout for possible injury. Being bound for 10 to 20 minutes usually does not lead to problem but if bound for hours, serious damage can result. Leather wrist and ankle cuffs with D rings will help prevent injury. If doing suspension you should by suspension grade leather cuffs which are designed to support your weight without damaging you joint/nerves.

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RE: numbness in leg - 6/23/2010 12:19:40 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mummyman321

Being bound for 10 to 20 minutes usually does not lead to problem but if bound for hours, serious damage can result.


I think this is somewhat misleading as I have had incident reprots of suspension related nerve injuries occuring in less than 60 seconds. In fact, if you doubt me, lend me your wrists and I'll use my rigid police cuffs to prove it without the need for suspension

Almost ALL the incidents I have studied occured in under 20 minutes. In fact, my average total 'air time' for rope suspensions is under 10 minutes and I would consider 20 minutes a long one, particulary with shibari style rigs. Injury is more a result of the amount of force exerted on a nerve than duration.

In fact, I suspect most (non-bondage) related nerve inuries are instantaneous due to a nerve being severed as a result of trauma, e.g. broken bone.

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