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RCdc -> RE: Who's the slave? (1/26/2010 12:18:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious
A slave in the consensual sense of the word has no rights but the right to stop.


Except when the slave does have rights more than the right to stop.

the.dark.
(.isthinkingofTMing.)




domiguy -> RE: Who's the slave? (1/26/2010 12:22:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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Does this make us a slave to the slave?


If a Master is not a 'slave' to the relationship that defines them as 'master'; they ultimately will find themselves a slave to being alone.


I agree with Merc. 

I just posted this in another thread.  It is nothing new and had been said a zillion times over and over....Not evryone will agree.
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ORIGINAL: domiguy

This is nothing more than expectations being met.  It is all so much of the nonsense that transpires out here.  Since we know that there is no such legal entity as "human ownership" almost everything that goes on between two folks out here occurs between the ears and twix them legs.  Either one cannot be entirely dismissed as the driving force as to what someone seeks.

We see people routinely make such a big deal out of this whole bdsm thingy.  People act like it is overly complicated and demands so much more attention than what transpires bgetween a 'nilla couple.  In actuality there is little difference. If you don't feel that your needs are being met, you split.  Pretty straightforward shit.

Everything else is just some fictionalized posturing and a Gorean fantasizing over how the relationship is supposed to go down. 

Which in it's self can lead to some very serious disappointment once you realize that your fantasies are not likely to be wholly met.


However, it doesn't mean that you switch roles.  It just means that you acknowledge that it is a two way street and there are a series of demands placed upon both parties. 

This is obviously not universal. Some folks just simply don't care how they are treated.  pfffft.  Fuck them.




xxblushesxx -> RE: Who's the slave? (1/26/2010 12:31:58 PM)

Where did this new adult and mature Domi come from?

What REALLY happened during that cocktail get together last week?

Did the real Domi end up in a dumpster in a true act of karma biting back?[:-][&:]

Questions...so many questions...




LaTigresse -> RE: Who's the slave? (1/26/2010 12:35:22 PM)

I am convinced that aliens have taken over his body.




VaguelyCurious -> RE: Who's the slave? (1/26/2010 12:38:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RCdc

quote:

ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious
A slave in the consensual sense of the word has no rights but the right to stop.


Except when the slave does have rights more than the right to stop.

the.dark.
(.isthinkingofTMing.)


Sorry-was exaggerating for the purposes of dramatic effect. Didn't mean to imply that anyone with a different set-up is not a 'true slave' in any way.




domiguy -> RE: Who's the slave? (1/26/2010 12:41:40 PM)

I am now engaged in a search for some snatch of a higher quality.  By conducting myself in a more mature and respectable manner I hope to obtain the exact inverse qualities in my next acquired gash.

Get out off my jock, you whores.




xxblushesxx -> RE: Who's the slave? (1/26/2010 1:03:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: domiguy

Get out off my jock, you whores.


There ya go! That's a Domiguy!!!




GYPSYMAMBO -> RE: Who's the slave? (1/26/2010 1:04:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

I am now engaged in a search for some snatch of a higher quality. 

 
me too..GM




AquaticSub -> RE: Who's the slave? (1/26/2010 1:10:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Kind of a chicken or egg type question.

Depends upon who you ask and how they look at it. Not to mention the details of each relationship.



What she said. At the end of the day, does it really friggin' matter as long as you and yours are happy?




pyroaquatic -> RE: Who's the slave? (1/26/2010 1:22:31 PM)

One is unable to steer a car without a steering wheel. Furthermore, one is unable to forward a vehicle without the engine. All parts are integral to the whole.




Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: Who's the slave? (1/26/2010 1:46:15 PM)

It all depends upon the symbolic logic being applied. If you own a home, you become a slave to it's upkeep. If you own a car you become slave to the upkeep of that as well. Not to mention a Slave to the Big Buck Oil/Gas companies (this is slowly starting to change now days). The more favorite TV shows you have, the more you become a slave to your TV set too.

The more you things you own, greater becomes your responsibility. Such is true with the amount of friends you have. You can have so many friends that you become a slave to the social aspects of maintaining those relationships. Technically, we all are or become Slaves to our own choices and decisions in life.

The concept of slavery in the manner you presented here, is responsibility.

Some people are seeking out D/s relationships without regards to the responsibility involved. Then again some people don't think about responsibility when it comes to owning pets either. They just see the pretty cute fluffy kitty cat and not think about the responsibility, work and commitment that comes along with it. Some people in fact feel like they are slaves to their pets. It also depends upon the type of pet as well. For instance, dogs require way more work on the owners part compared to a cat (most of the time).

People make bad choices and decisions that ain't right for what they want out of life. It's insane to own a lot of cats and dogs, if your lifestyle plans includes doing a lot of frequent traveling. If you wish to do both, the solution is to hire somebody to take care of them while you are away. Then again, this requires one is responsible to properly screen who they are hiring to take care of their pets. You have to be able to entrust them with your responsibility with the welfare of the pets in mind. Some people can't afford this. If one can't somehow find or afford somebody to take care of their pets, then something needs to give. Either they need to put their traveling lifestyle plans on hold, or their pet owning lifestyle on hold.

I'm one of those types, that believes a Dominant should factor in responsibility, and be aware of their lifestyle choices. Also, the same is said for submissives. They should be aware of the responsibility their Dominant Partner Entrusts them with, just as much as the Dominant should be aware of responsibilities involved. This is a general adult concept. At least, this is an established Idealism that as adults we have learned to make responsibile choices and decisions. It's a concept that is reinforced in Kindergartner, 1st grade and repeated over and over again.

Adults don't always behave in a manner that is condusive to the concept of being "responsible adults". The world is full of illresponsibile adult children that never wanted to grow up. Some people really need a Mommy or Daddy still. Dominant Little Boys and Girls that can't seem to find their big boy/girl underwear. Ohhh booo hoooo...

In regards to D/s relationships responsbility travels two ways. If anythng, the Dominant is or should be in charge of knowing the overhaul big picture of responsibilies. Be able to religate tasks and responsbilities of what needs to be done or taken care of. You know, be a boss. This requires them to entrust their submissive with responsbility. Ironic, much can be said about this. That the Dominate has to be able to relinquish personal control and surrender it to the submissive. Personal control and being in charge of things is different.

For Instance, If I wanted personal control over Dinner.. my ass would be out in the kitchen doing it, not letting anybody else near the kitchen to do anything. Why? Because somebody else might fuck it up. However, if a Dominant releases that control and entrusts their submissive partner to do it, the Dominant still can be in charge of making the decision of what is for Dinner. If their Submissive partner ain't too good at cooking, sure the Dominant can take back personal control. However, they can also purchase come cooking books, DVD's and assign learning tasks for their submissive partner. However, this does not mean it has be an cold hard ass authoritian process either. Some Dominates will encourage personal growth through having normal everyday conversation about things. Such as talking about tasty food dishes, even go shopping with their submissive partner, tossing out the thoughts and ideas for their submissive to pick up on. A lot of submissives are actively seeking out ways to please their partner. (sounds almost too easy). Things only become a lot of work, if the submissive is a little mentally slow or dim witted. Then again, the same can be said for pets. Some people, just spot a cute little kitty cat or puppy dog, and without interacting with the animal at all.. scoop it up.. and away they go.

Some people troll the profiles online here, looking at pictures in very much the same way. Looking at Body parts thinking.. Ummm.. yummy.. yum yum.. and without taking time to interact with the other person, and without regards to figuring out the associated responsbilities.. they are trying to force things along in 2.5 seconds flat.

I don't have a people with people wantng NSA encounters, that's a bit like petting some dog or cat while they are out for a walk in a park. However, when it comes to a D/s relationship. It's a lifestyle choice. Lifestyle Choice. Just as much as a Job or Career is. Owning a House verse Renting a house, that's a bit of a lifestyle choice even. There are people that can afford to own a home but don't. Choices and Decisions we all get to make as human beings.

If anything we all are, and have been (at least) slave to our own stupidity from choices we've made.















agirl -> RE: Who's the slave? (1/26/2010 2:55:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: okoncemore

I was recently told that it sounds like as a master, I am a slave to the slave.

As a master with a 24/7 TPE slave, it really is a hell of a lot of work.  We make all the decisions, we provide all the nessecities.

Does this make us a slave to the slave?


I really haven't given it much thought beyond the fact that if the cost of owning me isn't worth the benefit, he'll chuck me. He's funny like that.

I don't really care who's "slave to what" between the two of us....... if we don't like the bargain we both struck, we both have the same opportunity to bugger off. It wasn't as if I coerced him or he me.

It's a simple case of " Am I prepared to do what it takes to be in this relationship that I agreed to be in".

agirl




LaTigresse -> RE: Who's the slave? (1/26/2010 2:58:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx


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ORIGINAL: domiguy

Get out off my jock, you whores.


There ya go! That's a Domiguy!!!


Whew!!!! I feel ever so much better!




domiguy -> RE: Who's the slave? (1/26/2010 3:00:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx


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ORIGINAL: domiguy

Get out off my jock, you whores.


There ya go! That's a Domiguy!!!


Whew!!!! I feel ever so much better!



You are just cranky due to your vegan and lez lifestyle.




LanceHughes -> RE: Who's the slave? (1/26/2010 3:00:50 PM)

One phrase: "Yin Yang"




Jeffff -> RE: Who's the slave? (1/26/2010 3:06:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: domiguy
You are just cranky due to your vegan and lez lifestyle.


Once I throw her the pork, all that will be over!


Ward




itsmeinLV -> RE: Who's the slave? (1/26/2010 3:08:52 PM)

I agree with LaTigresse's very first post.  And btw, a slave's responsibility isn't only making sure her/his Master/Mistress is happy.  It is his/her number one priority however, NOT the only responsibility.  And the Master/Mistress providing all the necessities isn't always the case either.




littlewonder -> RE: Who's the slave? (1/26/2010 3:13:13 PM)

If anyone suggested that Master is a slave to the slave I think we'd both be laughing in hysterics on the floor.

While he may care for my wellbeing and want the best for me and even <gasp> at times, want to give me some pleasures in life, in the end it's his decision and his word is the final word.




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Who's the slave? (1/26/2010 3:43:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: okoncemore

...it really is a hell of a lot of work.  We make all the decisions, we provide all the nessecities.



Same could be said of a beloved pet (dog, cat, etc.) or even one's child.

What's the expression?  "If it's something you LOVE, then it's not work".

Same difference. [:)]






Prinsexx -> RE: Who's the slave? (1/26/2010 3:52:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: okoncemore

I was recently told that it sounds like as a master, I am a slave to the slave.

As a master with a 24/7 TPE slave, it really is a hell of a lot of work.  We make all the decisions, we provide all the nessecities.

Does this make us a slave to the slave?

http://www.leatherviews.com/cols/search2.asp

then

http://www.leatherviews.com/kinkyinfo/9313.htm  

:I see the Master as the one having the sole responsibility and authority for defining how the Master/slave relationship will be lived. The slave is called upon to accept the Master's definitions and apply them in his/her life. The Master "sets the rules". I admit to the "one-sidedness" of this arrangement, but since control and domination are the primary hallmarks, the Master's word becomes law. The slave's choice is to accept and live as the Master expects, or not submit as a slave.
:

Jack Rinella

...and much more.

In other words if you are the Master and you don’t like it: change it.




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