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RE: Who then replaces the queen? - 1/26/2010 4:04:27 PM   
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RE: Who then replaces the queen? - 1/26/2010 4:22:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lance, the second in line to the throne holds the title "Prince of Wales" It isnt the family name. Anyone with the title HRH does not need to use a surname. It is also the case some chose a different name to be King under. Victoria`s son, Prince Albert used the name George. Bonnie Prince Charlie refered to himself as Charles the third, so the current Charles is more likely to become a George as well.

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RE: Who then replaces the queen? - 1/26/2010 4:25:53 PM   
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RE: Who then replaces the queen? - 1/26/2010 4:28:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		pahunkboy:  I was NOT being insulting.  It's just that this site is hardly the place where you'll find quick answers to questions that can be answered better by getting info from say, the official UK site.

I encourage you to use the tremendous resources of the internet to find info on fact-based questions.  Much quicker to find the answer to your exact question.

I apologize if I have thread-jacked your question by getting into the scenarion of Charles premature death.

I can't apologize for insulting you since I didn't.

I can worry that you have taken my statement about "coulda, woulda, shoulda" the wrong  way.  No insult intended.

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RE: Who then replaces the queen? - 1/26/2010 4:33:38 PM   
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If Charles dies before Elizabeth, his decendants "lose out."  Strip off 2 and 3.  You can't pass the Crown if you don't have it.  My scenario is The Queen outlives Charles, but not Andrew.  The Crown passes first to LIVING children.

Only a 'Wales' can become King.  Andrew would have to become the prince of wales.
Regardless of whom dies first, according to the Royal Settlement the oldest legitimate offspring becomes King/Queen - males first.  Must not be a Catholic nor Roman Catholic or anyone whom marries a RC cannot become monach.
http://www.royal.gov.uk/ThecurrentRoyalFamily/Successionandprecedence/Succession/Overview.aspx


Dear Politesub53;  It wasn't I who seemed to "think" that Wales was the family name.  The surname of  Mountbatten-Windsor is used when nesccesary, for example on marriage certificates.

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RE: Who then replaces the queen? - 1/26/2010 4:39:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Politesub53;  You say the title goes to 2nd in line?????  I'm sure you meant 1st in line.  Charles is first in line to the throne......

Now a quote about the title of Prince of Wales...... All of you please read this before proceeding....

The title of Prince of Wales is reserved for the Sovereign's heir apparent, who is normally the eldest son, but in the case of George III he was the king's grandson. It is not automatically conferred: the title is newly created each time it is used. The same person is normally also the Duke of Cornwall and the Earl of Chester, but the remainder in these titles is different: the Sovereign's eldest son, and only the son (so not George III) is Duke of Cornwall from the moment of his parent's accession, or from the moment of his own birth if he is born in his parent's reign. In Scotland the heir apparent is styled Duke of Rothesay, since Wales is an English title.

There has never been a Princess of Wales in her own right, though it might be theoretically possible: if instead of a son, Frederick Louis had died early leaving only a daughter, she would have been heir apparent to King George II.

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RE: Who then replaces the queen? - 1/26/2010 4:43:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lance, I was trying to provide clarity and not suggesting you had made any claim at all. For what its worth, the the two Princes`s use the name Wales on their military records.

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RE: Who then replaces the queen? - 1/26/2010 4:46:04 PM   
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pahunkboy:  I was NOT being insulting.  It's just that this site is hardly the place where you'll find quick answers to questions that can be answered better by getting info from say, the official UK site.

I encourage you to use the tremendous resources of the internet to find info on fact-based questions.  Much quicker to find the answer to your exact question.

I apologize if I have thread-jacked your question by getting into the scenarion of Charles premature death.

I can't apologize for insulting you since I didn't.

I can worry that you have taken my statement about "coulda, woulda, shoulda" the wrong  way.  No insult intended.



It was EbonyWood who was insulting.  Your replies are fine.   :-)

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RE: Who then replaces the queen? - 1/26/2010 4:46:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes Lance I meant first in line. I confuse myself at times....lol

Edits to add. The title Princess of Wales is usually given to the wife of the Prince. It is a courtesy title only.

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RE: Who then replaces the queen? - 1/26/2010 4:49:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		WOW!  I do NOT know where these weird statements are coming from...... Yes, British Kings and Queens may choose their names, just as Popes do.  But, Politesub53, your example is false....... Victoria's son Albert Edward, chose to rule as Edward VII.

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RE: Who then replaces the queen? - 1/26/2010 4:53:10 PM   
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WOW!  I do NOT know where these weird statements are coming from...... Yes, British Kings and Queens may choose their names, just as Popes do.  But, Politesub53, your example is false....... Victoria's son Albert Edward, chose to rule as Edward VII.


Yes again I confused myself. I knew he didnt use the name Albert and got my Kings mixed up.

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RE: Who then replaces the queen? - 1/26/2010 4:53:43 PM   
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RE: Who then replaces the queen? - 1/26/2010 5:08:16 PM   
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Both wrong. The little nazi Harry would be next idiot in line after Wiily.

But seriously, who gives a fuck about this overpaid inbred bunch of snobs. Against the wall with the lot of them.


This. Having had the dubious honour of meeting Harry when we were both at school, I do not want to live in a country of which he is Head of State. He's a moron, and we strongly suspected him of peeing in the pool.

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RE: Who then replaces the queen? - 1/26/2010 5:11:43 PM   
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RE: Who then replaces the queen? - 1/26/2010 5:11:58 PM   
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RE: Who then replaces the queen? - 1/26/2010 5:16:10 PM   
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RE: Who then replaces the queen? - 1/26/2010 5:22:22 PM   
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But seriously, who gives a fuck about this overpaid inbred bunch of snobs. Against the wall with the lot of them.


Pshaw. Stop tearing people down! Free your mind!

Ennoble everyone in England! Raise everyone up! Grant a title to every man, woman and child! What's the point of being royalty if you can't exercise noblesse oblige!?

Of course ... then no one would be eligible to serve in the House of Commons and everyone would be in the House of Lords, but I'm sure that's just a technical detail.

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RE: Who then replaces the queen? - 1/26/2010 5:28:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		To us , the British subjects, who rules, is beyond us, it follows it's own succession, and they will continue or not, as what suits them, they are apart from the great majority of British Subjects, so far removed, to become irrelevant in this day and age., They hold very little political power beyond an occaisional chat on TV, the annual Queen's speech and the publicity that comes when a royal does a faux pas or otherwise becomes embroiled in things that really do not concern them, but when they do flap their lips, on whatever, they appear to have more credibility to the general public than what any politician does. So, for Britain perhaps we need a monarchy, a lot of people want it, but if they reserve their role to speaking out when times are hard, they will be appreciated, a challenge at least to the mealy mouthed self serving politicians.

The question maybe asked, if we dissolved the monachy, would we still have a tourist industry in London, how many chequer trousered Americans would visit and how less will we hear the cameras clicking of the far Eastern visitors. Like it or not, the monarchy are good for our economy, it makes Britain worth coming to for those foreign to our shores. Perhaps in countries devoid of ancient history, castles of stone and ancient tales, an old country is an attraction.

But, for the future of the monarchy, then for me, it is the sons of Diana, that need to rule.


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RE: Who then replaces the queen? - 1/26/2010 5:30:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Greetings LanceHughes

Your informaton is only half correct. Should Prince Charles die before the Queen his oldest son will be next in line for the throne, only if Prince Charles and his children (and any child they might have who are born in wedlock) die before the Queen does Prince Andrew become next in line for the throne. Regradless of who dies the succession order remains with people moving up in number, but none being skipped unless they fail to met all statute...eg if they marry a Catholic or become catholic.

http://www.royal.gov.uk/ThecurrentRoyalFamily/Successionandprecedence/Succession/Overview.aspx

http://www.infoplease.com/askeds/british-royal-succession.html

If Prince Charles dies before Queen Elizabeth who will succeed to the throne? Prince Andrew? If so, after him, would his children be next in line for the throne?

The Answer:
Prince Andrew, younger brother of Prince Charles, is currently fourth in the line of succession; the primary line goes through Prince Charles and his descendants, making Charles's oldest son, Prince William, the next in line, should Charles die before Queen Elizabeth. William is followed by his younger brother Prince Henry, at least as long as William remains unmarried and childless. Then comes Prince Andrew, followed by Prince Andrew's children (5th and 6th place), followed by Andrew's younger brother Prince Edward, followed by Edward's daughter, followed by Charles's sister, Princess Anne, followed by her children.
If William has children within the bounds of wedlock, those children would follow him in the order of succession; they would then be followed by Henry, Henry's children (if any), and only then Prince Andrew.
In short, the line of succession goes to the first person in line, then that person's descendants; only after exhausting one branch does one go back up the family tree and down the next path. Within any given set of siblings, sons have precedence over daughters, and the elder has precedence over the younger.
You'll probably want to check out the line of succession on the official website of the Royal Family; you might cross-reference that with our royal family tree. We also have a complete list of the rulers of England and Great Britain.

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RE: Who then replaces the queen? - 1/26/2010 5:46:22 PM   
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Both wrong. The little nazi Harry would be next idiot in line after Wiily.

But seriously, who gives a fuck about this overpaid inbred bunch of snobs. Against the wall with the lot of them.


This. Having had the dubious honour of meeting Harry when we were both at school, I do not want to live in a country of which he is Head of State. He's a moron, and we strongly suspected him of peeing in the pool.


I ran in to quite abit of that at the school I went to as well.  (and yes- that was the post I had referred to)

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