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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/6/2010 8:40:37 PM   
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Politesub if we blow up the segment in question even further we get...



See See!

How much more proof do you need that 911 is a gigantic conspiracy, I asks? Can't you not see what is staring you in the face man!

OMG the references in this thread are right, the WTC was slimed! I always thought Harold Ramis was an islamic terrorist.

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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/6/2010 9:59:21 PM   
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you really dont get it do you.

You come out here and make smart assed remarks all the while and now hide under miss sincerity.

I am laughing my ass off.

You also think that everyone is like you and are nothing more than fucking keyboard commandos.   Well I will be happy to link you to the fucking wheel assy when you figger out how to do that.  DUH.

You just go out and measure one up and report back and if you are bullshitting us I will be happy to correct you.  LOL



I give up. You're even crazier than i thought, and when you consider that I already thought you were crazier than a shithouse rat, that's saying a lot. Go back to chanting about mooslims and beer cans, and I'll just go back to laughing at the freak show.


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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/6/2010 10:45:32 PM   
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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/6/2010 10:52:07 PM   
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Politesub if we blow up the segment in question even further we get...



See See!

How much more proof do you need that 911 is a gigantic conspiracy, I asks? Can't you not see what is staring you in the face man!



Well wait a minute, guys...that does look pretty suspicious.

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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/6/2010 11:19:07 PM   
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thank you gentlemen I accept your concessions on the matter.






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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/6/2010 11:20:53 PM   
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Politesub if we blow up the segment in question even further we get...



See See!

How much more proof do you need that 911 is a gigantic conspiracy, I asks? Can't you not see what is staring you in the face man!



Well wait a minute, guys...that does look pretty suspicious.


That's just because he's messing with us - he turned it upside down to alarm us! If you set it rightside up again, it looks like exactly what it is.


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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/6/2010 11:39:13 PM   
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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/7/2010 10:18:04 AM   
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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/7/2010 11:40:55 AM   
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I know that there are lots of people who claim to be eye-witnesses. I have investigated only a few of them, just as I have investigated only a few of the people that were in the towers. As I said before the planes were my main focus. The small number of New York eye-witnesses that I investigated were all somehow either tainted of I could not get sufficient information about them. Nor was it easy to gather information about some of the people that allegedly died during the collapses of the towers.




So you physically, and in person checked each of these few? You tried to contact them in person? You ran background checks on each to insure that they were indeed real people?

Considering at the time of the first airplane strike, the NYC 911 phone system was flooded with calls
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Within minutes, New York City's 911 system was flooded with eyewitness accounts of the event. Most callers correctly identified the target of the attack. Some identified the plane as a commercial airliner.

full report


and you ascertained the identity of each of these callers to insure that they actually saw what they claimed to have seen?

Until you can show proof of transcripts of interviews, as well as video of this investigation of yours, I would have to assume, sir, that you are making a bold statement with no evidence, which unfortunately is what most conspiracy theories consists of, bold statements and no evidence.

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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/7/2010 12:11:02 PM   
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I know that there are lots of people who claim to be eye-witnesses. I have investigated only a few of them, just as I have investigated only a few of the people that were in the towers. As I said before the planes were my main focus. The small number of New York eye-witnesses that I investigated were all somehow either tainted of I could not get sufficient information about them. Nor was it easy to gather information about some of the people that allegedly died during the collapses of the towers.




So you physically, and in person checked each of these few? You tried to contact them in person? You ran background checks on each to insure that they were indeed real people?

Considering at the time of the first airplane strike, the NYC 911 phone system was flooded with calls
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Within minutes, New York City's 911 system was flooded with eyewitness accounts of the event. Most callers correctly identified the target of the attack. Some identified the plane as a commercial airliner.

full report


and you ascertained the identity of each of these callers to insure that they actually saw what they claimed to have seen?

Until you can show proof of transcripts of interviews, as well as video of this investigation of yours, I would have to assume, sir, that you are making a bold statement with no evidence, which unfortunately is what most conspiracy theories consists of, bold statements and no evidence.


Its as valid as ANYTHING YOU CAN PROVIDE!

Unless of course you can show us the omission Commission, fema asce and nists reports have been deposed and sworn under penalty of perjury with wet ink signature attached to a living corpus.

on ta yer shit in spades!

I love it when you people fucking make demands of others for shit you cannot and never will provide for your side as if the gubes were up there inspecting anything before they went down.

So having fun yet?  LOL


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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/7/2010 12:18:21 PM   
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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/7/2010 12:27:26 PM   
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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/7/2010 12:34:01 PM   
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you really dont get it do you.

You come out here and make smart assed remarks all the while and now hide under miss sincerity.

I am laughing my ass off.

You also think that everyone is like you and are nothing more than fucking keyboard commandos.   Well I will be happy to link you to the fucking wheel assy when you figger out how to do that.  DUH.

You just go out and measure one up and report back and if you are bullshitting us I will be happy to correct you.  LOL



I give up. You're even crazier than i thought, and when you consider that I already thought you were crazier than a shithouse rat, that's saying a lot. Go back to chanting about mooslims and beer cans, and I'll just go back to laughing at the freak show.


I guess he's talking to me...but I've given him this info before.  He doesn't believe it.  Go to the FEMA engineering analysis; in chapter 2 there are pictures of debris.
http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch2.pdf

(btw, here's the analysis of WTC7 http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch5.pdf)

www.aerospaceweb.org has debris photos and analysis relating to 9/11 myths.  A landing gear one is here; an engine one is here.

(edited because I hit submit too soon.)




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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/7/2010 1:20:55 PM   
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you really dont get it do you.

You come out here and make smart assed remarks all the while and now hide under miss sincerity.

I am laughing my ass off.

You also think that everyone is like you and are nothing more than fucking keyboard commandos.   Well I will be happy to link you to the fucking wheel assy when you figger out how to do that.  DUH.

You just go out and measure one up and report back and if you are bullshitting us I will be happy to correct you.  LOL



I give up. You're even crazier than i thought, and when you consider that I already thought you were crazier than a shithouse rat, that's saying a lot. Go back to chanting about mooslims and beer cans, and I'll just go back to laughing at the freak show.


I guess he's talking to me...but I've given him this info before.  He doesn't believe it.  Go to the FEMA engineering analysis; in chapter 2 there are pictures of debris.
http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch2.pdf
(btw, here's the analysis of WTC7 http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch5.pdf)




Just because I am in a good mood and had a few beers and kicked back and relaxed and all that shit I will take the time to explain a few things to you.

The title I assigned to this little lesson was physics for retards 101.

retards cannot think for themselves until they have several red faces and even then I am lucky to save 1 in 100.

In laymans terms:
When an expanse of steel in this case is heated the metal expands up the point it losses its structural strength due to heating and begins to sag.

The sagging takes place because it cannot support the load placed upon it.

The column held the load prior to heating then majically became overloaded. 

Where did the additional load come from and what gave it increased strength to pull in the columns that it could not before the fire?  Heavy fire maybe?

The floor sagged because it lost its strength but majically has more strength than it originally had in that it pulled the columns inward!

Use your heads people, if the floor lost strength its impossible to pull the fucking columns inward.

when the floor losses strength to the point it is sagging the metal is stretching like taffy due to loss of strength.  That means it now has less strength and is only capable of putting less force then original design on the columns and less ability to pull the columns inward. 

just like when the floor slowly sags to the point it touches the floor below it is now out of the "hot" zone of the (in this case mostly invisible), flames and cools.

Therefore global failure cannot occur.

you people really need to wise up and start using your heads.  If you have brains in them.

ahz beleeves I showly does beleeves!







oh that picture is out of your honest joe government link btw.....

Oh now if you wanna know what would cause the columns to buckle inward?  That is really a simple scenario as demonstrated by the demolition of wtc1.

Blow the core first.  We seen this when the antenna fell 20 feet before the rest of the building started to move.

So we know they took out the core first.

It would suck anything attached to it inward exoskeleton included.

Very well thought out demolition if I do say myself.

Sorry if I am laughing.




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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/7/2010 1:42:00 PM   
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Use your heads people, if the floor lost strength its impossible to pull the fucking columns inward.


Must....resist....bait.....must...resist.....

Actually, that is simply not a truthful statement, this one right here. While I am naught but a humble architect, I do have knowledge of structural engineering.

In laymen's terms, the greatest bending stress in a beam happens in themiddle; when a beam is weakened by fire, it bends in the middle. The beam doesn't have enough strength to hold up the load, but it does have plenty of strength in tension to pulls its supporting columns inward.

Test it for yourself- open a cardboard box at both ends so it is like a tube; press down on the middle- the ends will - magically! pull inwards. Thats pretty much what happened.

Now, lets stop quibbling over trivial stuff- what HAS been documented pretty well, is that Satan's face was glimpsed in the fireball of the Twin Towers- check it out- CANT YOU PEOPLE SEE WHAT IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR FUCKING EYES????




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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/7/2010 2:03:49 PM   
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Use your heads people, if the floor lost strength its impossible to pull the fucking columns inward.


Must....resist....bait.....must...resist.....

Actually, that is simply not a truthful statement, this one right here. While I am naught but a humble architect, I do have knowledge of structural engineering.

In laymen's terms, the greatest bending stress in a beam happens in themiddle; when a beam is weakened by fire, it bends in the middle. The beam doesn't have enough strength to hold up the load, but it does have plenty of strength in tension to pulls its supporting columns inward.

Test it for yourself- open a cardboard box at both ends so it is like a tube; press down on the middle- the ends will - magically! pull inwards. Thats pretty much what happened.

Now, lets stop quibbling over trivial stuff- what HAS been documented pretty well, is that Satan's face was glimpsed in the fireball of the Twin Towers- check it out- CANT YOU PEOPLE SEE WHAT IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR FUCKING EYES????



yeh I know, I enjoy showing that face in many of the other doctored pics that support your side of the story.  There are plenty of them.

You just shot yourself in the foot with doubletalk.

I got this far and stopped reading:
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In laymen's terms, the greatest bending stress in a beam happens in themiddle; when a beam is weakened by fire, it bends in the middle.


bending stress? wtf is that?

You mean the sum of the loads are the greatest midway.  That I agree with.

If you mean it is likely to give way at a lower temp in the middle because the sum of the loads are greatest in the middle I again concur.

(of course that is not cast in concrete unless you know the exact loading of the floor but same point none the less)

(and then you would also need ot know the precise location of the fire which would also have to be in the center)

but who cares about trivial details of where the fire was?  You know that invisible one?

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The beam doesn't have enough strength to hold up the load, but it does have plenty of strength in tension to pulls its supporting columns inward.

now that is complete bullshit.
have someone suspend tie you with your arms straight out and then with your arms straight up if you think I am wrong. LMAO
then report back here and tell us how the straight out damn near broke your wrists while straight up or at a 45deg angle was easily tolerated.

I dont know if you simply do not understand physics or if you are fucking with me.  your funny face impresses me that you are fucking with me and will earn you an answer alright but you aint gonna like it.

You cannot have greater force than what was already there unless you want to claim that so called fire had weight to it.  Air load maybe?  That is pure loonacy.  If you do not see that not to much I can do.

This is not rocket science man and I have not even touched on the realities of localized heating and all the other shit that goes along with it that pound even more nails into the coffin of the "official lie".

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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/7/2010 2:25:44 PM   
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bending stress? wtf is that?
You mean the sum of the loads are the greatest midway. That I agree with.
If you mean it is likely to give way at a lower temp in the middle because the sum of the loads are greatest in the middle I again concur.
(of course that is not cast in concrete unless you know the exact loading of the floor but same point none the less)
(and then you would also need ot know the precise location of the fire which would also have to be in the center)

but who cares about trivial details of where the fire was? You know that invisible one?

Bending stress is what occurs at the extreme fibres of the section. When the section is sagging then beneath the neutral axis there is tension and above the neutral axis there is compression. Thus the section is bending because the sum of the forces above and below the neutral axis must be equal and opposite or the section would be spinning in space (unrealistic).

The way you term maximum loading at midspan is erroneous as most floor loading is most commonly in the form of a UDL (uniformly distributed load) as the name suggests the load is spread uniformly across the floor. Occasionally you may have a point load for column carried on beams etc. That would be rare in a structure of that type.

In a beam maximum bending moment occurs where the shear is zero, often centre of the beam but can be offset due to arrangement of supports. Also if the beam is continuous or simply supported plays a part in this, as for simply supported beams (not often found in realistic structures) the maximum bending moment would be at mid span.

Also steel transmits heat quite efficiently so the position of the fire isn’t that precious IMOSHO.

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I dont know if you simply do not understand physics or if you are fucking with me. your funny face impresses me that you are fucking with me and will earn you an answer alright but you aint gonna like it.

He seems to understand structural mechanics far better than yourself, is my observation.


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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/7/2010 2:53:14 PM   
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You cannot have greater force than what was already there unless you want to claim that so called fire had weight to it. Air load maybe? That is pure loonacy. If you do not see that not to much I can do.

Firstly the pictures you show are of cladding components, which I have said over and over again are not designed to take vertical load and could buckle in any direction depending on a lot of random factors.

but if the column is bending inwards (I've not seen actual column in any of your pictures just a load of cladding) it would be due to the steel beam being fully fixed and acting as a lever arm. Thus it bends at midspan and according to virtual work calculations the deflection induced in each column bending inwards (on that 2D illustration) must be half the deflection of the beam at midspan. There are two columns the total work done must be divided between them.

The column will also have pre-existing out of vertical alignment issues which will induce bending and ultimately buckling in any direction due to eccentricity of vertical loading.

Stop it with this game of silly beggars, you is wrong!

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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/7/2010 3:47:16 PM   
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Its as valid as ANYTHING YOU CAN PROVIDE!

Unless of course you can show us the omission Commission, fema asce and nists reports have been deposed and sworn under penalty of perjury with wet ink signature attached to a living corpus.

on ta yer shit in spades!

I love it when you people fucking make demands of others for shit you cannot and never will provide for your side as if the gubes were up there inspecting anything before they went down.

So having fun yet?  LOL



Actually, there is proof in the hours of 911 tapes of the calls to report the first crash. There is also the live film footage of ABC, CBS, MSNBC, FNC, BBC, NBC among others, all taken from different angles which would have required extreme amounts of money and people to replace the actual camera operators of each network, require the duplicity of each network, which quite frankly is beyond the scope of reason.

There is also the amateur video that captured the first impact and the second impact, as well as footage from the local stations, a pair of news helicopters.

As for eyewitness testimony, it would be impossible to scan every document concerning such testimony from the 9/11 commission report, the 911 phone logs, among the countless others that made reports to various newspapers, television stations and networks.

I will allow that you may have checked out a few, as you say, but that few is not a fair sampling of the total number of people involved. You would have to interview every one that possibly saw the crashes to prove your contention that the witnesses had lied, or were tainted in some way.

Scientific and investigative process requires the largest possible number of witnesses be interviewed, processed, and then verified.




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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/7/2010 4:18:36 PM   
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The way you term maximum loading at midspan is erroneous as most floor loading is most commonly in the form of a UDL (uniformly distributed load) as the name suggests the load is spread uniformly across the floor. Occasionally you may have a point load for column carried on beams etc. That would be rare in a structure of that type.

In a beam maximum bending moment occurs where the shear is zero, often centre of the beam but can be offset due to arrangement of supports. Also if the beam is continuous or simply supported plays a part in this, as for simply supported beams (not often found in realistic structures) the maximum bending moment would be at mid span.


You are going to have to stop speaking in engineering lingo- its making me horny.


RealOne-

What draws me to these conspiracy theories is the idea that anyone's ideas are equal to the experts; the claim that the professional experts who have studied this building are not trustworthy.
Even though I have a smattering of knowledge, I never claim to be an engineer- instead, I consult with and trust in the opinions of professional engineers, exactly like the ones that analyzed this building.

Why do I put so much faith and trust in the engineers?
Because every prediction they make has come true. For instance, when my engineer tells me a beam must be such and such a size to hold up the building, it proves to be accurate; when he tells me I can alter it this way or that and still be safe, it never fails.

Whenever you drive over a bridge, ride an elevator, walk into a building, you are trusting your life to the engineers that you so strenuously attack; Yet their theories and models and calculations of building behavior have always worked, in my experience.

Your opinion isn't equal to theirs; your expertise and reputation and qualifications aren't equal to theirs. I would rather put my faith in them than you, and all the pictures of grey smoke or black smoke or arrows pointing to blobs aren't going to convince anyone that you know better than them.

I am not trying to conivnce you to embrace the theories put forward by the professional engineers; but to explain to you why I have faith in them and not you.

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