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Aylee -> RE: Talking Women (2/15/2010 7:05:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika quote: Embracing the term in a positive manner reclaims the term to be used by women for women instead of against women. Well then you go ahead and embrace the term bitch. I will continue to attribute it to women who behave with no integrity and respect for others, who decide that it is ok to slander, accuse, rip them a new one, etc, all in the name of reclaiming something or other. And I will continue to do my best to be a Lady and making progress through diplomacy and earning people's respect. Deal? - LA I will assume that there was no veiled insult there. Deal.

Loki45 -> RE: Talking Women (2/15/2010 7:08:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee Wah. Wah. Fucking Wah. Break out the violins... Exactly the expected reply from someone so empty and ugly they say they are 'reclaiming' the word bitch. quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee Healthy women NEVER miss whiney "nice guys" or "assholes" - they always kick them to the curb. Yeah, sure. Just keep telling yourself that. History says otherwise. quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee Maybe some day you'll get fed up enough to stop, look in a mirror, and see where the REAL problem is. I already did that, genius. That's why I am the way I am today. quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee Nah. You were already in the lame whiner bin. And we all know what "bin" you're in. It's the bin filled with stark-raving cunts I wouldn't fuck with someone else's dick and me pushing. quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee I think you'd get more mileage (and greater benefit) if you say it to your therapist - and I'm not being flippant here. Oh of course you aren't. You were flippant for the rest of your post, why continue it in the last line? Oh that's right. Go on and reclaim that bitch word! [8\|]

Aylee -> RE: Talking Women (2/15/2010 7:09:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Loki45 quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee Bitch is one of the powerful epitaphs/epithets used to pull women into line. Other epitaphs/epithets include cunt, slut, whore, and fat. The Bitch is and can be a positive female role in American society if more women ready and willing to face down negative stereotypes and patriarchal role can embrace her. When you get a full understanding of what is being said with the injunction, "Don’t be a bitch," the meaning is: do not be a difficult or unpleasant, spiteful, lewd female, or just do not be female. Elizabeth Wurtzel sums it up best when she wrote: "She may, in fact, be as nice as can be, but as soon as she says catch me if you can I’m so free this is my life and the rest can fuck off and die – as soon as she lays down the option of my way or the highway, it’s amazing how quickly everyone finds her difficult, crazy, a nightmare: a bitch." Embracing the term in a positive manner reclaims the term to be used by women for women instead of against women. Since when is "fat" a word used only for women? And how does that 'keep them in line?' If someone is fat, they're fat. It's simple fact. It need not be an insult unless they allow it to be. Just ask Kevin Smith. I did not say that it was. I included it in a list of words used against women. And if you want to take the discussion on patriarchy and masculinist myths off of the boards or into another topic that is fine.

Level -> RE: Talking Women (2/15/2010 7:10:17 PM)
LA, I have seen some of that with my employer; when she was first running for office, her campaign manager told her that she'd need to be strong to garner votes; her response was to speak loudly, then ask if that was "strong enough". That memory makes me sad to this day, almost 8 years later, because she IS strong, but has seldom seen that in herself, and because she confused two very different things.

Loki45 -> RE: Talking Women (2/15/2010 7:11:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee I did not say that it was. I included it in a list of words used against women. And if you want to take the discussion on patriarchy and masculinist myths off of the boards or into another topic that is fine. Sure, right after you take your feminist myths off the boards.

Aylee -> RE: Talking Women (2/15/2010 7:12:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Loki45 And we all know what "bin" you're in. It's the bin filled with stark-raving cunts I wouldn't fuck with someone else's dick and me pushing. Do you even RECOGNIZE how you objectify women?

domiguy -> RE: Talking Women (2/15/2010 7:12:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika quote: Embracing the term in a positive manner reclaims the term to be used by women for women instead of against women. Well then you go ahead and embrace the term bitch. I will continue to attribute it to women who behave with no integrity and respect for others, who decide that it is ok to slander, accuse, rip them a new one, etc, all in the name of reclaiming something or other. And I will continue to do my best to be a Lady and making progress through diplomacy and earning people's respect. Deal? - LA I will assume that there was no veiled insult there. Deal. I understand fully when a woman utilizes the term "bitch" to describe herself...A bit headstrong and not willing to take a lot of shit from anyone. It's part of the terminology of the day. You can choose not to endorse it, but that by no means lessens the meaning of the word for those who choose to employ it.

Loki45 -> RE: Talking Women (2/15/2010 7:13:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee Do you even RECOGNIZE how you objectify women? You mean the ones like you? I should fucking hope so. I had to work hard enough at it. Funny. Let's ask Lt or LadyA if they feel "objectified" by me. Let's see if either of them have gotten replies anywhere near the ones you've gotten. Then you can take your own advice and look into the mirror to see where the problem lies.

Aylee -> RE: Talking Women (2/15/2010 7:14:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy I understand fully when a woman utilizes the term "bitch" to describe herself...A bit headstrong and not willing to take a lot of shit from anyone. It's part of the terminology of the day. You can choose not to endorse it, but that by no means lessens the meaning of the word for those who choose to employ it. I just wanted to quote you. I really never thought that I would do that.

Level -> RE: Talking Women (2/15/2010 7:15:28 PM)
All right, this has been interesting, but as the insults are starting to fly, from more than one direction, I'm taking that as my cue to hit the sack.

Loki45 -> RE: Talking Women (2/15/2010 7:18:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level All right, this has been interesting, but as the insults are starting to fly, from more than one direction, I'm taking that as my cue to hit the sack. Or you can do like me and find amazing hilarity in the fact that a self-professed asshole can have a conversation with others without resorting to insults, and a self-professed bitch cannot. I'm going to laugh about that one for awhile.

Level -> RE: Talking Women (2/15/2010 7:20:45 PM)
Loki, you did insult her, with the "ugly" comment.

intenze -> RE: Talking Women (2/15/2010 7:21:37 PM)
"And we all know what "bin" you're in. It's the bin filled with stark-raving cunts I wouldn't fuck with someone else's dick and me pushing. " Whew thank goodness that was not an insult! are you going to say "She started it?"

Loki45 -> RE: Talking Women (2/15/2010 7:32:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: intenze "And we all know what "bin" you're in. It's the bin filled with stark-raving cunts I wouldn't fuck with someone else's dick and me pushing. " Whew thank goodness that was not an insult! are you going to say "She started it?" I don't need to say it. It's obvious. (Plus, if you bothered to read my very long discussion with LadyA, you'll see that while I prefer to stay above board in debates and discussions, I will never say no to a trip to "immature land." She opened that door, and I walked right through. However, until she started her shit, I was perfectly fine with not insulting anyone.

Loki45 -> RE: Talking Women (2/15/2010 7:33:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level Loki, you did insult her, with the "ugly" comment. Yes, which was after she came into the discussion hurling insults and mocking me. I get attacked, I respond with one of my own. It's a simple concept.

intenze -> RE: Talking Women (2/15/2010 7:36:00 PM)
ok, here is what I am struggling with... You said: "Or you can do like me and find amazing hilarity in the fact that a self-professed asshole can have a conversation with others without resorting to insults, and a self-professed bitch cannot." Yet you did the same thing. I am puzzled by your logic here. I see that you resorted to insults.

Loki45 -> RE: Talking Women (2/15/2010 7:40:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: intenze ok, here is what I am struggling with... You said: "Or you can do like me and find amazing hilarity in the fact that a self-professed asshole can have a conversation with others without resorting to insults, and a self-professed bitch cannot." Yet you did the same thing. I am puzzled by your logic here. I see that you resorted to insults. You're puzzled because you clearly ignored the rest of this thread. I was having a perfectly fine insult-free discussion with many people. Then I was insulted. In RESPONSE I insulted back(which I indicated I would do in the lengthy discussion you overlooked). Had the original insult never come, I'd have not hurled one of my own. Clear enough?

pyroaquatic -> RE: Talking Women (2/15/2010 7:44:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Loki45 quote: ORIGINAL: intenze ok, here is what I am struggling with... You said: "Or you can do like me and find amazing hilarity in the fact that a self-professed asshole can have a conversation with others without resorting to insults, and a self-professed bitch cannot." Yet you did the same thing. I am puzzled by your logic here. I see that you resorted to insults. You're puzzled because you clearly ignored the rest of this thread. I was having a perfectly fine insult-free discussion with many people. Then I was insulted. In RESPONSE I insulted back(which I indicated I would do in the lengthy discussion you overlooked). Had the original insult never come, I'd have not hurled one of my own. Clear enough? No. Not even close. How does hurling your own insult soothe the initial insult?

Loki45 -> RE: Talking Women (2/15/2010 7:47:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pyroaquatic No. Not even close. How does hurling your own insult soothe the initial insult? Where on earth did you read that it was supposed to...."soothe"...the initial insult? Who said anything about soothing anything?

LadyAngelika -> RE: Talking Women (2/15/2010 8:08:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika quote: Embracing the term in a positive manner reclaims the term to be used by women for women instead of against women. Well then you go ahead and embrace the term bitch. I will continue to attribute it to women who behave with no integrity and respect for others, who decide that it is ok to slander, accuse, rip them a new one, etc, all in the name of reclaiming something or other. And I will continue to do my best to be a Lady and making progress through diplomacy and earning people's respect. Deal? - LA I will assume that there was no veiled insult there. Deal. There was simply matter of factness. We all choose our identities. - LA

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