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forsaken555 -> RE: Feel guilty after being aroused by news-report of torture. (5/24/2010 5:47:19 PM)

I fantasize alot about getting kidnapped, raped and being kept prisoner as a sexual slave, and even as I enjoy being humiliated and beaten, there are always guilt feelings about it. I am against non-consensual rape and abuse of women, and there are women out there who are facing these stuffs in a non-consensual manner, and I can imagine the real hell they are in, and there I am play-acting these situations and enjoying myself. Guilty pleasures I call them.



youascend -> RE: Feel guilty after being aroused by news-report of torture. (5/24/2010 8:46:41 PM)

Perhaps somewhat strangely I don't find the idea of slavery / abuse or even submissive personalities as the defining attributes of people very tolerable. Men who are excessively indecisive, infantile, effeminate and what have you are laughable. Abusing pregnant women with mental disabilities is reprehensible.

I've talked about this idea privately in regards to a very general concept regarding exchange of power and society. I see a wide band that defines the mainstream with an elite class above the band and a criminal element below it. Extreme exchanges of power purely for pleasure are shared amongst both the elite and undesirable elements (the mainstream seems to have little taste for such things, in spite of creating a facade of dominance [keeping up with the Jones] are realistically subordinate to the elite class and can fall victim to the criminal class as well).

This story is clearly a case of the underbelly of society festering in a twisted case of abuse. How small and pathetic must a person be to abuse someone who is mentally retarded? I would consider this type of individual no more sophisticated than psychopaths who abuse animals for entertainment.

I won't pass judgement on anyone's particular interests or desires, however I find the top of the pyramid more alluring, not the bottom.

In conclusion, no, I don't see anything hot, interesting, alluring or arousing from the scum of the earth.



allthatjaz -> RE: Feel guilty after being aroused by news-report of torture. (5/25/2010 4:12:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: SlaveSubtoserve

..i know what you mean by this though this one was too vile for my fantasies but the one re keeping the peron locked up in a box under the bed for a while would do it....unfort so few of these refer to males so captured.


Actually it was pretty horrendous. I remember reading 'The Simple Gift of Life' and feeling nothing but repulsion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Colleen_Stan



PeonForHer -> RE: Feel guilty after being aroused by news-report of torture. (5/25/2010 4:33:06 AM)


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ORIGINAL: WestBaySlave
Sadly, my moral compass and my sex drive are not in harmony. There's some lizard-brain part of me that looks at things that I find reprehensible on every level and says "Oh, that's hot!" Even if I don't want to think something is hot. Not only am I turned on by things I would personally never be involved with, I'm turned on by things I think no-one should ever do.


My position too. I should think, also, that it's the semi-conscious position of everyone who likes watching war films, thrillers or indeed Disney animations which involve princesses who are being terrified by evil witches, dragons or grand viziers with sinister beards and long noses. We shouldn't be feeling pleasure at someone's terror.

There's a very long-established moral view that has it that an immoral thought is as bad as an immoral act. What can I say? It isn't, and that long-established moral view is simply wrong.



daddysprop247 -> RE: Feel guilty after being aroused by news-report of torture. (5/25/2010 9:29:51 AM)

OP, you are not alone. i too have often become aroused after reading about horrible crimes committed against others, or after seeing a report on television about such a case. and many of the types of crimes i have been aroused by are so horrendous i would never feel comfortable sharing them here..but i will say they always involve rape and brutalization, sometimes murder. it is the worst feeling because i will simultaneously be completely heartbroken for what they have endured, enraged at the vile offender, and underneath it all, strangely aroused. just the other day i was watching an episode of "I Survived" where a teenage girl was recounting her story of being attacked and raped by two men. she broke out in tears frequently telling this story. and i was right along with her, crying my eyes out. at the same time, my body was aroused by her tears and by the complete helplessness she felt during her ordeal. it is the emotional and psychological suffering of the victim which seems to arouse me in these cases, more so than any explicit details.

it is especially difficult for me to reconcile such feelings as i can relate to being abused and tortured, and to the lifetime of suffering it causes. i do not wish such suffering upon myself or any other human being. i just have to accept this as part of my sexuality.



Wheldrake -> RE: Feel guilty after being aroused by news-report of torture. (5/25/2010 2:43:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

There's a very long-established moral view that has it that an immoral thought is as bad as an immoral act. What can I say? It isn't, and that long-established moral view is simply wrong.


I tend to think of morality as a nebulous realm where nothing is simply wrong or simply right, but in practice I fundamentally agree with you. I have a little deal with the dark side of my psyche: it can think about whatever it likes, however twisted, but I'm under absolutely no obligation to translate its ruminations into concrete action. It's worked pretty well so far.

For me the issue actually goes beyond sexuality. My instinctive response to things that seem to horrify other people is often one of interest, or even excitement, and that can happen independently of sexual arousal. I don't feel guilty about these aesthetic reactions, since they don't have any practical consequences. A thought, in itself, doesn't impinge on anything outside the confines of the skull.







porcelaine -> RE: Feel guilty after being aroused by news-report of torture. (5/25/2010 2:50:31 PM)

atUrMercy,

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Do other submissives feel the same? I thought I'd share it with others who are like me, and hear what they have to say.


Your ideas and responses aren't odd at all. There are lots of people that think as you do. Some will never admit of course. But I digress it happens. Check out this group if you're looking for others like yourself:

Dark Minds, Darker Thoughts

~porcelaine



PeonForHer -> RE: Feel guilty after being aroused by news-report of torture. (5/25/2010 3:51:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Wheldrake

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

There's a very long-established moral view that has it that an immoral thought is as bad as an immoral act. What can I say? It isn't, and that long-established moral view is simply wrong.


I tend to think of morality as a nebulous realm where nothing is simply wrong or simply right, but in practice I fundamentally agree with you. I have a little deal with the dark side of my psyche: it can think about whatever it likes, however twisted, but I'm under absolutely no obligation to translate its ruminations into concrete action. It's worked pretty well so far.

For me the issue actually goes beyond sexuality. My instinctive response to things that seem to horrify other people is often one of interest, or even excitement, and that can happen independently of sexual arousal. I don't feel guilty about these aesthetic reactions, since they don't have any practical consequences. A thought, in itself, doesn't impinge on anything outside the confines of the skull.



I think that what we're looking at here, Wheldrake, is yet another ancient, Christian, fuck-up. I do not care if someone gets his or her jollies from fantasies of torturing and killing a small child. I only care if he or she actually *does* go out and tortures and kills a small child.

God's sakes: if the legal world considered that desires were the same as actions, I'd have been locked up in prison, forever, long ago.




Wheldrake -> RE: Feel guilty after being aroused by news-report of torture. (5/26/2010 11:26:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

God's sakes: if the legal world considered that desires were the same as actions, I'd have been locked up in prison, forever, long ago.


Hell, we'd probably be cellmates. It might not be so bad if we had a tough female warden to drag us out for our daily beatings and extended periods of hard labour.



shivermetimbers -> RE: Feel guilty after being aroused by news-report of torture. (5/26/2010 11:18:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

Is your question:

Do others feel guilty by getting turned on at thoughts of being beaten with a plunger, burned with a hot glue gun, routinely scalded by boiling water so badly it peels your skin back, getting used her for target practice with a BB pistol and being forced to walk around naked?

or is it

Do others feel guilty by getting turned on by a murderer that you think looks hot in a mug shot?

[image]http://www.truecrimereport.com/Michelle-Riley.jpg[/image]

First, she isn't all that hot.

Second, from a fantasy standpoint, yes. Being victimized in such brutality, but at the same time being the object of pure lust, is a turn on. I don't want what happened to her, happening to me. From a fantasy standpoint where I don't endure any lasting effects of abuse, and of course, death, it's freaking hot.



DearJessicaD -> RE: Feel guilty after being aroused by news-report of torture. (5/29/2010 10:46:05 AM)

I totally get turned on by that shit. I've read books for enjoyment about enslavement, all kinds of abuse, cults, etc. I love it.

I don't feel guilty for being turned on by it because:

A. I would NEVER treat anyone like that
B. If I knew of anyone in that situation, I would absolutely bend over backwards trying to help them

IMO, it's totally okay to be saying "holy shit, that's pretty fucking kinky" and "oh my god, that is AWFUL!" in your head all at the same time.



kiwisub12 -> RE: Feel guilty after being aroused by news-report of torture. (5/29/2010 11:23:53 AM)

The account did absolutely nothing for me sexually.



joey46 -> RE: Feel guilty after being aroused by news-report of torture. (7/2/2010 7:56:24 PM)

Actually, every once in a while I find myself stimulated by something for about 15 or 20 seconds until the actual situation starts to sink in and then, yes, I feel guilty for having been turned on by it.



Ligeia72 -> RE: Feel guilty after being aroused by news-report of torture. (7/2/2010 11:07:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: WestBaySlave

I've made peace with the fact that something can be both intensely erotic and morally reprehensible, and as long as fantasy and reality never meet, those two things both being true isn't a conflict.



Same here from a (primarily) Top's point of view. I've thought/fantasised about doing some very dark and twisty stuff. Not quite to the level of what was in that News story but pretty close. I used to feel bad about it, but I figured at the end of the day it is just fantasy. When it's your own imagination you get to be as downright nasty or extreme as you wanna be.

I do draw the line at fantasising about stuff that has actually happened, as opposed to creating fantasy scenarios in one's head. So in regards to the OP's particular situation, I understand it, I don't think he needs to beat himself up over it (metaphorically speaking of course), but at the same time I personally find the story to be abhorrent and the thought of myself being turned on by it is repulsive to me.



WtfRandom -> RE: Feel guilty after being aroused by news-report of torture. (7/5/2010 4:37:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: windchymes

I have to admit, there are a couple of women at work that I have had very similar fantasies about doing those things to, but unfortunately for me, they will remain just delicious, satisfying fantasies.  I may be a sick fucker, but I'm not quite that sick.


This is a perfect example of why I`m glad there are no thought police! That`s the only way I can get through some days.



came4U -> RE: Feel guilty after being aroused by news-report of torture. (7/6/2010 1:19:44 PM)

A woman capturing me? no, I would bash her skull in and be outta there within minutes lol.

Now a man..ummm errr well.

Just think though, I mean kidnapping and forcible confinement is like..quite the punishable offense and quite risky to partake in planning. 

But, in (my) the sick mind, I'd think 'wow, he must think I'm purdy hawt n special to risk prison for me me me!'

Eventually, (I'm the type) I'd have some sort of Stockholm Syndrome going on and he would be my new bf within days.  hahaha

Like geeez...he takes risks!!  He took time and effort to 'smuggle' me for his own behalf?? wowzer, what a MAN! *pants.



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