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Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: should her submission be taken for granted (2/17/2010 4:18:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf if she comes to the relationship claiming to be submissive/slave can the dominant take it for granted she is? The answer you seek after the many miles of traveling to an ancient temple on top of a immense mountian, is within this riddle. If a rock comes to rest upon the ground, can the earth take for granted that the rock is firmly at rest? (pretending to be david carradine, sitting cross legged on the floor, smoking a long pipe with questionable contents) Using the reserve gears of the thought being driven in the question. If somebody comes to a relationship claiming to be Dominant/Master can the submissive take it for granted that they are?

osf -> RE: should her submission be taken for granted (2/17/2010 5:09:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4 quote: ORIGINAL: osf if she comes to the relationship claiming to be submissive/slave can the dominant take it for granted she is? The answer you seek after the many miles of traveling to an ancient temple on top of a immense mountian, is within this riddle. If a rock comes to rest upon the ground, can the earth take for granted that the rock is firmly at rest? (pretending to be david carradine, sitting cross legged on the floor, smoking a long pipe with questionable contents) Using the reserve gears of the thought being driven in the question. If somebody comes to a relationship claiming to be Dominant/Master can the submissive take it for granted that they are? what if neither is what they say they are and neither realize it in the other, does that mean they both are? just asking

kallisto -> RE: should her submission be taken for granted (2/17/2010 5:19:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf if she comes to the relationship claiming to be submissive/slave can the dominant take it for granted she is? Maybe I'm reading the question wrong ... but anyone can "claim" anything they want to. It's not claiming to be anything that counts. So I guess the Dom can take her "claim of submission" for granted. Whether she lives up to that claim to his satisfaction is a different story.

Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: should her submission be taken for granted (2/17/2010 5:35:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf what if neither is what they say they are and neither realize it in the other, does that mean they both are? just asking A state of innocent bliss without questioning what defines them both individually, but rather acceptence of who they are that defines the relationship.

NihilusZero -> RE: should her submission be taken for granted (2/17/2010 7:04:18 PM)
Of course, the underlying question really being asked here is: Can you trust someone to not be misleading you or misleading themselves? The answer depends mostly on how good a judge of character you are; and even then it can slip.

MasterSlaveLA -> RE: should her submission be taken for granted (2/17/2010 7:24:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CalifChick quote: ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA quote: ORIGINAL: osf if she comes to the relationship claiming to be submissive/slave can the dominant take it for granted she is? The "taken for granted" part screws up the question... what's essentially being asked here is: "If a person has labeled themselves a sub/slave, can you assume they are?" Answer: Yes, in THEIR mind, but maybe not in YOUR mind, as everyone has their own ideas and expectations. This. In spades. What I find fascinating is the number of people that misread the OP's statement, even though it was so short. He never said anything about taking THE GIRL for granted. Cali It's rather telling, isn't it... the knee-jerk "victim" scenario that's often automatically attributed to those on the bottom side of the slash?!! [:(]

OriginallyFromLA -> RE: should her submission be taken for granted (2/17/2010 7:31:48 PM)
quote: Originally from LA Many , many kudos for this mot d'esprit. Oscar Wilde would not have said it better! Currently not in LA Henry I got me some Kudos!!! Delicious delicious kudos. MMmmmmmmmmmmmm.

MasterSlaveLA -> RE: should her submission be taken for granted (2/17/2010 7:36:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero Of course, the underlying question really being asked here is: Can you trust someone to not be misleading you or misleading themselves? The answer depends mostly on how good a judge of character you are; and even then it can slip. I don't believe judging one's "character" or whether Person-A believes Person-B has been "misleading" is a valid benchmark because again, everyone has their own ideas/expections when it comes to this dynamic... i.e., one person's slave may be another person's sub, and vise-versa; which is a big part of the "compatibility" portion of many power dynamics.

Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: should her submission be taken for granted (2/17/2010 8:16:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero Of course, the underlying question really being asked here is: Can you trust someone to not be misleading you or misleading themselves? The answer depends mostly on how good a judge of character you are; and even then it can slip. Often we can mislead ourselves in judgement by focusing our view of another person under a certain shade of light that is condusive to our own wants, needs and desires. Often falling victim to our own internal driving forces. More often than not, we are truely our own worse enemy.

osf -> RE: should her submission be taken for granted (2/17/2010 11:01:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero Of course, the underlying question really being asked here is: Can you trust someone to not be misleading you or misleading themselves? The answer depends mostly on how good a judge of character you are; and even then it can slip. tell me about it

Icarys -> RE: should her submission be taken for granted (2/18/2010 2:22:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero Of course, the underlying question really being asked here is: Can you trust someone to not be misleading you or misleading themselves? The answer depends mostly on how good a judge of character you are; and even then it can slip. The answer for me is no. I'd like to be able to and do try to give the benefit of the doubt but I still pay attention. Yes we all can and do slip at times. (New pic :>..Were you going for the Norman Rockwell of the naughty world look?)[:D]

Icarys -> RE: should her submission be taken for granted (2/18/2010 2:41:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania quote: I will agree there are different levels of submissiveness so it's probably not good to judge each other as less or more because of our own standards..That goes for both sides. Perhaps this was a poor choice of wording on your part, by levels did you mean that being "obedient" is a deeper, better, more profound part of being submissive than being tractable, passive, calm, and tame.. or are they simply different types of cookies? Mostly different cookies..I know it's a fact of life that some will have a few of these that you've listed while others will have again different ones. Speaking for myself..Obedience is a main measure of a submissive or maybe I'll say slave as NZ has pointed out..There is a difference from my point of view. For me obedience is very important..all of those other things you've listed are just as important to me also but I probably wouldn't take a woman who had the personality of a loudmouth sailor who happened to be very obedient. She would be an embarrassment. So it's all extremely relevant to my wants. Nor would I want her if she were attracted to that in a Dominant.

NihilusZero -> RE: should her submission be taken for granted (2/18/2010 6:34:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys but I probably wouldn't take a woman who had the personality of a loudmouth sailor who happened to be very obedient. She would be an embarrassment. But... charades the role of someone pointing a commanding finger at another "You will cease to curse in public from here on." jumps to the other side to charade the other role, adopting an obedient, affirming pose "Okay, Sir." [:D]

Icarys -> RE: should her submission be taken for granted (2/18/2010 7:39:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys but I probably wouldn't take a woman who had the personality of a loudmouth sailor who happened to be very obedient. She would be an embarrassment. But... charades the role of someone pointing a commanding finger at another "You will cease to curse in public from here on." jumps to the other side to charade the other role, adopting an obedient, affirming pose "Okay, Sir." [:D] Your funny [:D]...That wasn't intended to point any fingers. Just squawking from my own desires. Would you like 1 NZ point back? They are collectors items and I really wouldn't want to part with more than that. Yes I'm greedy like that......

NihilusZero -> RE: should her submission be taken for granted (2/18/2010 8:13:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys Your funny [:D]...That wasn't intended to point any fingers. Just squawking from my own desires. No, no! that wasn't what I meant at all. I meant...if this hypothetical girl was obedient but not very verbally proper...couldn't you just command her to refrain from speaking the vulgarities? [:D]

Icarys -> RE: should her submission be taken for granted (2/18/2010 8:35:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys Your funny [:D]...That wasn't intended to point any fingers. Just squawking from my own desires. No, no! that wasn't what I meant at all. I meant...if this hypothetical girl was obedient but not very verbally proper...couldn't you just command her to refrain from speaking the vulgarities? [:D] Ohhhh I thought ya were pickin on me because I cursed the other day lol.. Yeah I suppose you could but I was getting at the personality as a whole...Ya know I like the timid meek mild females[:D]...

catize -> RE: should her submission be taken for granted (2/18/2010 9:48:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf if she comes to the relationship claiming to be submissive/slave can the dominant take it for granted she is? I believe that if either side assumes their personal definitions of dominance and submission are the same as some one else's, then there is small chance the relationship will go well. Even if the definitions match, I don't think any one of us should take for granted that the other person wants to dominate or submit to the other. Lots of discussion about interest in, expectations and responsibilities of and to each other would increase the likelihood that the couple will be successful together.

elleX -> RE: should her submission be taken for granted (2/19/2010 6:05:46 AM)
good morning , well he can beleive her ,, but will sure find out by himself if he gets involved with her a bit more,, but i beleive he should start with a receptive attitude towards her elleX

crazyml -> RE: should her submission be taken for granted (2/24/2010 11:15:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeffff He can always release her if it doesn't work out. I like to release mine back into the wild. You have to be careful though, if she has human stink all over her the other subs might peck her to death. It is best not to mention that if it happens. Some submissives can be so squeamish. Jeff Oh man! Has that happened to you too?? I'm so glad you shared - I felt so alone before!

Fitznicely -> RE: should her submission be taken for granted (2/24/2010 2:40:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf if she comes to the relationship claiming to be submissive/slave can the dominant take it for granted she is? No. Verifying the claim should take plenty of time and be much fun.

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