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Klinefelters - 9/9/2004 9:03:19 PM   
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Just curious how many people..willing to divuldge the info who have KS in the lifestyle.
I know California is a hot bed of lifestyle activity so we may have more here per capita.
I also know the odds of KS in men.

I know there are a couple here on the boards who must have KS. Although I know it is highly personal so I do understand those of you who wish not to discuss it.

I know 6 people in person here who have KS. Two have had the surgeries already.

For those of you who do not know what KS is. It is a genetic defect which gives you an extra Y chromosone. XXY. In other words an extra female. There are many distinguishable traits associated with it.
At this time I don't know if anyone even wants to chat about it. If so...I'll talk more about it at a later date.
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RE: Klinefelters - 9/10/2004 1:16:07 AM   
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sub4hire, First Klinefelter's Syndrome is an extra X not Y, if it was an extra Y then the code would be XYY. As the usuall configuration for a male is 46, XY, and for a female is 46,XX. A male having XXY does not automatically assume the syndrome, they may or may not develope KS. AND it is very very treatable. You are hinting that they are effeminate, and that you know of males who have under gone sex change operations. Since one of the characteristics is that they are very tall, 6' or better, I see no predispostion to them being female at "heart". Yes, they have small testes, and low sperm count, so? Females born with Turner's syndrome only have one X, and have underdeveloped ovaries. They are still female. Have I understood your post correctly? I am neither pro or con sex altering surgeries, but I see no correlation here, as 1 out of every 500 to 1000 males born have this configuration. Of course not all develop Klinefelter's. Sundew

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RE: Klinefelters - 9/10/2004 9:21:01 AM   
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You’re right it is an extra X chromosone. It was late and I was tired. The mere fact someone knew what I was even referring to here impressed me. Research is really just beginning on KS. Not a whole lot is known about it yet.
They may not call it KS now. They try to stay away from that nowadays. The past few years that has changed actually. Regardless that is exactly what it is. There are different genotypes. It is treatable NOW. Just a few years ago a person would be 30 before being diagnosed and most of them were suicidal at the time. I’ve been to 3 national KS conferences now. Met well over 5000 KS patients. I live with one. I know several in the scene here. They develop breasts. Small penis size. Low self esteem. Learning difficulties. When they gain weight they do as a woman does, more so in the stomach. The ones I know in the scene are all cross dressers. Those whom I have spoken to with KS who have had the sex change operations usually tell you they have KS.
So, no I am not saying all are feminine. However the charachteristics are there.
Parents now are lucky. Simple tests before the babies are born can tell them they have KS. It really helps in teaching the child early on to where they can live a normal life. Testosterone treatments can be discussed at length. They have the ability to choose the right one for the child.
By the way there are issues with every form of testosterone whether patch, shot or androgel. People have bad reactions. With the shot they get it all at once and become very violent until some of it wears off. Then become depressed nearing the end of the month when there is no more testosterone in their systems. The sticky on the patch causes reaction to many. The gel I have heard as many good things about as bad. Although most abandon it after trying it. I’m really not sure why that is.
I was wanting to connect with others who have suffered with it for a while. The children today getting it can do much better.

I think it is important to say not all KS patients have all of the symptoms. It almost as if the symptoms bypass some and not others. About the only thing I have seen that all have is low testosterone. Depression. Other than that they change from person to person. I know a 47Xxy man here, he cannot heal a cut if he gets one. It is the hyper-baric chamber no matter how large or small the cut started out as. I have never seen that in another XXY patient. It is however in the list of literature, as a symptom.
I just want to learn as much as possible. That way I can help more people when we have our support group meetings.


WHAT IS KLINEFELTER SYNDROME?
In 1942, Dr. Harry Klinefelter and his coworkers at the Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston published a report about nine men who had enlarged breasts, sparse facial and body hair, small testes, and an inability to produce sperm.
By the late 1950s, researchers discovered that men with Klinefelter syndrome, as this group of symptoms came to be called, had an extra sex chromosome, XXY instead of the usual male arrangement, XY. (For a more complete explanation of the role this extra chromosome plays, see the accompanying section, "Chromosomes and Klinefelter syndrome.")
In the early 1970s, researchers around the world sought to identify males having the extra chromosome by screening large numbers of newborn babies. One of the largest of these studies, sponsored by the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development (NICHD), checked the chromosomes of more than 40,000 infants.
Based on these studies, the XXY chromosome arrangement appears to be one of the most common genetic abnormalities known, occurring as frequently as 1 in 500 to 1 in 1,000 male births. Although the syndrome's cause, an extra sex chromosome, is widespread, the syndrome itself-the set of symptoms and characteristics that may result from having the extra chromosome-is uncommon. Many men live out their lives without ever even suspecting that they have an additional chromosome.
" I never refer to newborn babies as having Klinefelter's, because they don't have a syndrome," said Arthur Robinson, M.D., a pediatrician at the University of Colorado Medical School in Denver and the director of the NICHD-sponsored study of XXY males. "Presumably, some of them will grow up to develop the syndrome Dr. Klinefelter described, but a lot of them won't."
For this reason, the term "Klinefelter syndrome" has fallen out of favor with medical researchers. Most prefer to describe men and boys having the extra chromosome as "XXY males."
In addition to occasional breast enlargement, lack of facial and body hair, and a rounded body type, XXY males are more likely than other males to be overweight, and tend to be taller than their fathers and brothers.
For the most part, these symptoms are treatable. Surgery, when necessary, can reduce breast size. Regular injections of the male hormone testosterone, beginning at puberty, can promote strength and facial hair growth-as well as bring about a more muscular body type.
A far more serious symptom, however, is one that is not always readily apparent. Although they are not mentally retarded, most XXY males have some degree of language impairment. As children, they often learn to speak much later than do other children and may have difficulty learning to read and write. And while they eventually do learn to speak and converse normally, the majority tend to have some degree of difficulty with language throughout their lives. If untreated, this language impairment can lead to school failure and its attendant loss of self esteem.
Fortunately, however, this language disability usually can be compensated for. Chances for success are greatest if begun in early childhood. Sections that follow describe possible strategies for meeting the special educational needs of many XXY males.


http://pediatrics.about.com/cs/conditions/a/klinefelter_syn.htm

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RE: Klinefelters - 9/10/2004 10:08:14 AM   
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Interesting discussion. Unfortunately I don't know any KS people in the scene so I don't have anything to contribute in that regard...

I can see how we might have a slightly larger than average percentage in the scene, but I have no data one way or the other.

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RE: Klinefelters - 9/10/2004 10:13:49 AM   
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quote:

I can see how we might have a slightly larger than average percentage in the scene, but I have no data one way or the other.


Well, I think the only reason we do is because most of these men are confused. What do you do when you're confused? Explore other avenues. Also, again I'm not saying they are feminine. There are certain charachteristics though.

I've yet to meet a post op trans sex who didn't have KS.

So, in a way in my brain right beside this thought is back to the age old question.

Are we born gay? Or is it learned behavior? Most post ops will tell you they are not gay as well. They were just born in the wrong body.

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RE: Klinefelters - 9/10/2004 10:17:13 AM   
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I know of two, both are crossdresser, but still function as males. Neither have any desire to NOT be male. Both are submissive, one would prefer to be a slave, the other likes to switch. Anyway my drop of information worth. As to what percentage, I would have to be able to remember all the males I have met in this lifestyle, mmmm 15years worth. Wicked smile, I don't think that one is going to happen. Sundew

And Sub4hire, thank you for the compliment. It was even later when I found your thread. I am surprised I had a functioning brain cell left.


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RE: Klinefelters - 9/10/2004 10:58:11 AM   
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Well, I'd like everyone to keep in mind here I am a neophyte when it comes to KS. I do have a habit of over researching. Talking and asking questions. Espeically when it is something I'm passionate about. This is.
I don't know the statistics either. I've got it pretty much down to a science of looking at a person and sort of knowing they either have KS or should get themselves checked out.

Most people my age who have it have no clue they do. Back then there weren't tests that were just done. There was nothing. Still today there are two doctors in the world who are deemed experts. Luckily one of them has his practice in Long Beach. One in France I believe. Never met him yet.
I do know KS patients who are not crossdressers. I know some who lead what we consider a normal life..other than the self esteem issues.
Within the BDSM group I run I have two post op transexuals. Two waiting..well scrimping and saving for their operations.
Another is a top/bottom crossdresser.
Anyway the national conference is coming up in Chicago soon. So it has me thinking. Should I go this year? Has anything new been learned. I know the people here on collarme...well a lot of you are intelligent people. Yet at the same time KS really has not hit mainstream society yet. People just don't know what it is.
I do have to say when I first learned of it. If I had known a baby I was carrying had it I would have aborted. Science has at least marched on enough now to where I would have it. I know it would be an uphill battle for myself and the child. Worth it though.

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