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Breath Play Question - 2/20/2010 12:30:36 AM   
Massokissed


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Status: offline 		I've been looking around trying to find a more definitive answer, but maybe I'm just searching for the wrong things. I understand there are serious risks involved with choking and those are extensively covered, but I'd like to know the risks of breath play regarding holding someone's mouth/nose shut. Recently, I was involved in such a thing and can hold my breath for a fair amount of time, so when I'd finally struggle, I'd get one breath and then be shut off again. It was extremely fun, but I'd like to know if I'm going to do some damage if I continue. Thanks :)
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RE: Breath Play Question - 2/20/2010 5:50:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Profile does not exist. I suspect we have seen this guy before and were very critical of him.

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RE: Breath Play Question - 2/20/2010 6:04:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh, no. I hid my profile a long time ago and I believe this is my first post (though I joined the site many years ago). I'll put it back up if that's necessary.

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RE: Breath Play Question - 2/20/2010 9:56:37 AM   
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I'd like to know if I'm going to do some damage if I continue.


Yes, you will. All types of breath play, in varying degrees, involve physiological damage. Even with careful practice, this type play has more functional dangers than other types. But that rush can be quite addictive. Oh yes...that would be another danger.

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RE: Breath Play Question - 2/20/2010 10:02:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		One of the best posts done on breath play, an essay by Jay Wiseman,...by DemonKia... http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=2994327

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RE: Breath Play Question - 2/20/2010 10:35:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for you response :) I'm sure this all sounds noobish to many of you, so I apologize in advance. I have actually read that article recently, but feel so many things are concerned with the dangers of choking-style breath play, including this article, so I was hoping to be directed to something more along the lines of what I mentioned. I understand the dangers of oxygen deprivation and the blood-flow problem associated with choking, but is hand suffocation I described similarly putting me at risk for a heart attack (I'm obviously not familiar enough with anatomy to make this call) in the same way? Does the periodic breath prevent the risk of oxygen not getting to the brain enough? 

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RE: Breath Play Question - 2/20/2010 10:55:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Massokissed

Thanks for you response :) I'm sure this all sounds noobish to many of you, so I apologize in advance. I have actually read that article recently, but feel so many things are concerned with the dangers of choking-style breath play, including this article, so I was hoping to be directed to something more along the lines of what I mentioned. I understand the dangers of oxygen deprivation and the blood-flow problem associated with choking, but is hand suffocation I described similarly putting me at risk for a heart attack (I'm obviously not familiar enough with anatomy to make this call) in the same way? Does the periodic breath prevent the risk of oxygen not getting to the brain enough? 


The degree of damage done depends on how long you are prevented from breathing.

Cutting off the air through any method creates an oxygen deficit which affects the brain rather rapidly. While giving an individual oportunities to catch a breath will delay unconsciousness, it does not make up for the oxygen deficit.

If repeated long enough, the deficit reaches a point where catching a single breath is not enough.

I would not recommend breath play of any kind over an extended period of time. A short period of breath play followed by a longer period of normal breathing (to restore blood-oxygen levels) can then be followed by another short period of breath play.

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RE: Breath Play Question - 2/20/2010 11:03:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Massokissed

Thanks for you response :) I'm sure this all sounds noobish to many of you, so I apologize in advance. I have actually read that article recently, but feel so many things are concerned with the dangers of choking-style breath play, including this article, so I was hoping to be directed to something more along the lines of what I mentioned. I understand the dangers of oxygen deprivation and the blood-flow problem associated with choking, but is hand suffocation I described similarly putting me at risk for a heart attack (I'm obviously not familiar enough with anatomy to make this call) in the same way? Does the periodic breath prevent the risk of oxygen not getting to the brain enough? 


If you're unsure or don't know enough about anatomy and wish to participate in what many see as a form of edge play, you really need to do more research than simply asking on a bdsm site.  This isn't meant to sound curt or condesending in any way, everyone needs to start somewhere.
I'm not a medical professional which is why I'm suggesting you take this either to a forum on a medical site or just ask a professional ie, nurse/doctor. 
The Jay Wiseman essay offered some good references...have you checked them out? 

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RE: Breath Play Question - 2/20/2010 11:08:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the responses, again :) I do not intend to lose consciousness and would be put out if I did, so obviously I am not going for very long. I can hold my breath for about 40 seconds on my own, which is where I would start to wiggle and get a breath. The rush is very addictive and the feeling is just great. Maybe I kind find some replacement... Ug!

I agree, CarrieO, and will be pursuing this further than just this site, but I hope to (and am) gleaning some useful insight from all of your posts. I have not checked out Wiseman's resources, yet, but did read a short rebuttal to some of his claims. I will check them later tonight. Thanks again, everyone :)

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RE: Breath Play Question - 2/20/2010 11:16:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CarrieO
I'm not a medical professional which is why I'm suggesting you take this either to a forum on a medical site or just ask a professional ie, nurse/doctor. 


A couple of things to keep in mind when consulting medical professionals about bdsm activity (especially activities such as breath play).

Do not be surprised if they are cautious. If they give you the go ahead and something happens as a result they can be held legally responsible for giving their professional approval.

That doesn't mean they are wrong if they advise against it, but understand that by asking for their approval to do something as risky as breath play you may be putting them in legal jeopardy where the only safe answer is to say "don't do it".

As I said, this doesn't mean they are wrong. But you might keep this in mind should you decide to discuss it with them.



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RE: Breath Play Question - 2/20/2010 11:29:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Light breath play with covering the mouth and nose is not harmful... as long as it is not done until you are dizzy or otherwise feeling the impacts of loss of air... for example... my Daddy will cut off the air for about 20 seconds or so while I give him oral... not long enough for me to get "high" from it, but long enough for me to feel slightly deprived of oxygen. It is not really auto asphyxiation, but more a show of control over my breathing...  

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RE: Breath Play Question - 2/22/2010 7:58:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		As a nurse I'd say don't f'n do it. Or you can add to the body of knowledge supporting Darwin's theory. You haven't any offspring have you?

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RE: Breath Play Question - 2/22/2010 8:19:49 AM   
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As a nurse I'd say don't f'n do it.


I am curious as to your reasons.

My wife and I enjoyed breath play nearly every day for several years.

You can find a description of one of the forms of breath play we used in "Winter Interlude".



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RE: Breath Play Question - 2/22/2010 8:39:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		We've had patients. If you hurt yourself enough to be hospitalized you've gone too far. I drive a sports car incredibly fast some times and in some places and it is inherently unsafe and I should add that I've had a lot more patients from car accidents than breath play, which would make me the dumber guy. Geez, I waltzed myself right into that one.

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RE: Breath Play Question - 2/22/2010 8:52:57 AM   
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We've had patients. If you hurt yourself enough to be hospitalized you've gone too far. I drive a sports car incredibly fast some times and in some places and it is inherently unsafe and I should add that I've had a lot more patients from car accidents than breath play, which would make me the dumber guy. Geez, I waltzed myself right into that one.


~smile~

I agree that breath play is potentially fatal and can cause damage short of death. The health of the individual involved must also be considered (other health risks can be aggravated, such as blood pressure).

I was just curious as to whether you had specific concerns in mind.

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RE: Breath Play Question - 2/22/2010 12:04:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		I did it with my last partner, but only during intercourse. She loved it, so I did too. It wasn't an every day thing and I was always very careful.

Consider that wrestlers (real ones) and martial artists are put in sleeper holds all the time. You have to be on top of things for sure, but done right I think it's as safe as anything else that's considered dangerous.

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RE: Breath Play Question - 2/24/2010 5:08:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
Light breath play with covering the mouth and nose is not harmful... as long as it is not done until you are dizzy or otherwise feeling the impacts of loss of air... for example... my Daddy will cut off the air for about 20 seconds or so while I give him oral... not long enough for me to get "high" from it, but long enough for me to feel slightly deprived of oxygen. It is not really auto asphyxiation, but more a show of control over my breathing...  

This is similar to what my Owner does to me. Sometimes he briefly cuts off my air completely and sometimes he cuts it off mostly (but not completely) for longer periods, but never to the point where I am dizzy. We've been doing this for almost a year, fairly regularly, and I haven't noticed any side effects.

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RE: Breath Play Question - 3/7/2010 4:07:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am also a respiratory medical professional, and here is my two cents:

ANYTIME you cut off oxygen to the brain, you can cause potential harm to yourself. As you cut off the oxygen supply to the brain and body, your carbon dioxide level rises which in term can toss off your acid/base balance, which is what is really its all about. Of course, doing it for 10 seconds is not going to be harmful to 99.5% of the population. Doing it for a minute, two minutes, you are starting to tread into an area where someone could get hurt. Everyone is built a little differently and playing oxygen deprivation games can trigger a physiological reaction due to a million different things you may not even know was an issue for you. If you do it, do it VERY cautiously.

As far as purely phyiscal damage goes, just putting a hand over someones mouth is generally harmless. One thing I know I would really be careful of is you are doing this with a new partner or somone who you just do not know their physical history, be careful about cutting lips, gums etc and causing an open wound in the mouth. While its a long shot, if one partner happened to have some sort of disease transmittable by blood, saliva, semen and other bodily fluids, this could obviously become a  problem.

When it comes to choking, the one thing you need to make sure of is that there is not enough pressure to damage the trachea/esophagus and other parts of the neck. Again, everyone is different, and choking me hard would probably snap anothers neck. Caution really needs to be practiced with this.

Have fun....but play safe!!!!!

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