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Should consensual Slavery be recognised and treated as ... - 2/21/2010 5:07:30 AM

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Being anything other than hetrosexual is generally frowned upon by the majority of people in society. That said same gender intimate relationships are now recognised in a number of countries and so is same gender marriage. Do readers of the question above think that politicians, some of whom are lifestyle practitioners, be lobbied to ensure that an act is passed that permits one or more persons to own one or more consenting adults who are submissive by nature and who seek the security of such a mutually beneficial relationship? Safegards would hopefully be put in place to protect the interests of the submissive. For instance, a citizen who becomes mentally imcompetant in some way can loose his/her freedom and human rights for life if a court grants guardianship of them to another person. Should the civil partnership marriage be extended to include civil person ownership?

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RE: Should consensual Slavery be recognised and treated... - 2/21/2010 6:07:00 AM

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I think until anyone who wants to be married in the vanilla sense is legally recognized that any chance of kinky relationships being legally recognized and enforceable is not going to happen.

However non-consensual slavery could easily come back under form of debt slavery or as a form of punishment for convicted criminals. That's true even in the USA, check out the constitution and read that 13th Amendment, you might be surprised by what it says.

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RE: Should consensual Slavery be recognised and treated... - 2/21/2010 6:43:02 AM

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There are no politicians that are lifestyle. At least, not publicly.

Barney Frank is an admitted homosexual, but that's about it. Larry Craig is adamant that he is not gay, even in the face of overwhelming evidence. Gov. Sanford evidently is in some kind of clueless poly relationship.

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RE: Should consensual Slavery be recognised and treated... - 2/21/2010 7:00:01 AM

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. Should the civil partnership marriage be extended to include civil person ownership?

No.

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RE: Should consensual Slavery be recognised and treated... - 2/21/2010 7:33:21 AM

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Consensual slavery is a contradiction in terms to society at large, so it couldn't ever be.

In law words have to mean the same and so be interpreted the same for everyone that reads them.

Whatever your personal desire it'll never happen unless you call it something else, like marriage.

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RE: Should consensual Slavery be recognised and treated... - 2/21/2010 7:41:00 AM

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no.

they should go the other way and GET OUT of the business of sanctioning/giving special priviledge/preference to ANYONE'S preferred relationship style/status...including heterosexual marriage.

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RE: Should consensual Slavery be recognised and treated... - 2/21/2010 7:44:07 AM

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Upon reflection, I believe that the fact that it is not sanctioned will force participants to think about what the hell they're doing. If something that potentially dangerous were done on an everyday basis, just think of the mayhem.

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RE: Should consensual Slavery be recognised and treated... - 2/21/2010 7:44:23 AM

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They only do this because they think it is supposed to facilitate a stable society whilst producing future generations to fund the pensions pyramid scheme.

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RE: Should consensual Slavery be recognised and treated... - 2/21/2010 11:50:39 AM

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no.

they should go the other way and GET OUT of the business of sanctioning/giving special priviledge/preference to ANYONE'S preferred relationship style/status...including heterosexual marriage.

I'm inclined to agree with beth. However, legal unions are, I suppose, useful in protecting the *victimized* party should the relationship end.

The fact that we even NEED the law to dictate what happens when a civil relationship ends, though, sadly represents how irresponsible many people are.

If anything, I would say that a generic legal *union* between two (or more) people of any gender would be adequate...with no specifications on orientation or sexual preference or whatever. Something like this would legally protect all members involved should the relationship fail, and would also give everyone the benefits of being considered a *family* under the law.

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RE: Should consensual Slavery be recognised and treated... - 2/21/2010 12:03:05 PM

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I can't imagine what benefit a civil recognition of consensual enslavement would give.

Laws are designed precisely to govern non-consensual things. For instance, a contract is enforced by the State only when one party tries to renege on it, or contest it. When a buyer and seller amicably agree and consensually abide by a purchase agreement, the State never gets involved. Only when one party violates the terms, the State forces the other party to comply.

This is why marriage boils down to property and custody; when two loving people agree and live peaceably, the State is absent; only when one wants to leave, the State steps in and enforces terms.

Since consensual enslavement is something that, by its very definition is revocable at will by either party, it is hard to imagine what terms the State would actually enforce.

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RE: Should consensual Slavery be recognised and treated... - 2/21/2010 12:05:08 PM

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Custody of the whip?

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RE: Should consensual Slavery be recognised and treated... - 2/21/2010 1:05:48 PM

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In short... no.

I would like to see the government staying out of our business as much as possible. But who is to say that the signature on a slave contract was not secured against the slave's will? There is real slavery going on all over the world, right now, including here. Legalizing "consentual slavery" for the convenience of bdsm'ers would be as bad an idea as legalizing wife-beating for the convenience of bdsm'ers. When the police raid a brothel full of fifteen year old girls who don't speak English, are we to absolve the pimps of human trafficking charges as long as they can produce a signed contract (in English) for each slave girl? If they can force the girls to have sex, why would they be unable to force them to sign a paper? Legalizing slave contracts is just a plain bad idea.

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RE: Should consensual Slavery be recognised and treated... - 2/21/2010 1:08:01 PM

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Simple answer from my point of view .....no

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RE: Should consensual Slavery be recognised and treated... - 2/21/2010 3:24:50 PM

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I think that will run into some trouble with the thirteenth amendment. Personally, I'm wondering if plural marriage will be legal within my lifetime.

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RE: Should consensual Slavery be recognised and treated... - 2/21/2010 4:05:36 PM

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RE: Should consensual Slavery be recognised and treated... - 2/21/2010 4:38:30 PM

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No. There is no conceivable benefit I can see in legalizing "consensual slavery".

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RE: Should consensual Slavery be recognised and treated... - 2/21/2010 4:40:54 PM

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Nope.

We already have marriage, legal guardianship, and power of attorney. That pretty much covers it.

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