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ValkyrieCane -> Safety concerns (2/21/2010 5:22:40 PM)

i'm looking for advice on how to make first time meets safer, for me and anyone else who might be involved. Any suggestion, thoughts or advice, please let me know!
Thanks,
val




CarrieO -> RE: Safety concerns (2/21/2010 5:28:52 PM)

Hi val...

Take a look in the upper right hand corner of the screen and you'll see the word "search".  Click that and type in what you're looking for.  I typed in "first meeting safety"  and got 15 pages of posts.....[:)]

btw...welcome and have fun!




BLoved -> RE: Safety concerns (2/21/2010 5:33:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ValkyrieCane
i'm looking for advice on how to make first time meets safer, for me and anyone else who might be involved. Any suggestion, thoughts or advice, please let me know!
Thanks,
val



The better you get to know someone, the better a position you will be in to determine whether the person is safe.

Talk a lot, about a variety of topics before you meet.

I'll leave all the rules and regs to those who know them better, but I felt this advice was important. I think impatience too often leads to disaster, so my advice is go slow, and be thorough.




AquaticSub -> RE: Safety concerns (2/21/2010 5:50:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ValkyrieCane

i'm looking for advice on how to make first time meets safer, for me and anyone else who might be involved. Any suggestion, thoughts or advice, please let me know!
Thanks,
val



Well, what kind of meet are you going for? Are you meeting a potential friend for coffee or are you making to meet to scene with someone at their home?




LafayetteLady -> RE: Safety concerns (2/22/2010 12:06:33 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

quote:

ORIGINAL: ValkyrieCane

i'm looking for advice on how to make first time meets safer, for me and anyone else who might be involved. Any suggestion, thoughts or advice, please let me know!
Thanks,
val



Well, what kind of meet are you going for? Are you meeting a potential friend for coffee or are you making to meet to scene with someone at their home?


And it is that very distinction that makes all the difference in the world. Before there was internet dating sites, I don't think that people had all these concerns about "safety" when going on a first date. Many seem to say that is because they had already met face to face, as though that means anything.

With internet dating, we aren't in a situation where we meet someone while out somewhere public, talk to them and then get asked for a date. But you ARE talking to them and determining whether or not there is an interest. Of course, what you see in a picture or hear over the phone is not a gauge of whether or not someone is trustworthy, and so reasonable "precautions" should be taken before meeting a stranger.

But what IS reasonable? Reasonably, we should know the name of the person we are meeting. Reasonably, we should tell someone that we are going to meet someone, where, what time, etc. But reasonably, we should do this in many ordinary circumstances. Just meeting a known friend for coffee or telling someone you are going out to a club with friends, so a room mate or friend has an idea of your whereabouts could be considered a safety precaution. After all, you could easily suffer a flat tire or mechanical failure or be "abducted" by a crazy at the club, so someone knowing where you were last is helpful, right?

I guess my point is that I always wonder about these questions whether someone means "how can I make meeting someone I never met for a play date safer," or is there actually a real fear about meeting a stranger at the local Starbucks? Because simply telling a friend you are meeting someone named "X" for coffee on Tuesday at 7:30 at the Starbucks down town is more than "safe" enough. But if you are planning on meeting "X" at the local "No Tell Motel" so they can tie you up and cane you, nothing you do is really for your "safety," it is really all making sure that if you are found dead or disappear, there is a "ground zero" for the police to start investigating.

Now I'm not saying that meeting someone you (general you) never met before for a "play date" is going to result in your death or dismemberment. I admit that years ago, I had someone over to my home that I never met before in my life and there were NO safety precautions in place other than my own ability to take care of myself. Nothing went wrong, and I still am friendly with the man today. I believe that more often than not, these types of meetings don't result in death or dismemberment.

But the reality is that if you are going to meet someone to "play" when you have never met them before, if they are a crazed lunatic, no safety measure in the world is going to protect you. Likewise, if you are just meeting at the local Starbucks for coffee, taking all kinds of "safety precautions" as though you are meeting a crazed lunatic and need to protect yourself is overkill. Simply letting someone know you have a "blind date" (no need to even talk about BDSM at all) at the local coffee house and expect to be home by 10 should be enough.

People seem to feel a need to go crazy with over the top safety precautions that, in my opinion, really don't amount to that much safety at all.




stoshbig -> RE: Safety concerns (2/22/2010 6:50:12 AM)

A sniper.




ValkyrieCane -> RE: Safety concerns (2/23/2010 6:05:58 PM)

Thanks for your replies! I appreciate them greatly!
Stosh, where can i employ a sniper?




Smutmonger -> RE: Safety concerns (2/23/2010 8:34:06 PM)

The last girl I had coffee with also had a safecall. She told him we were having a conversation about spirituality. He was a little confused.

She ended up being a little too "out there" and poly for me.

Even the wierdest perverts decide it's a no go at times.




Termyn8or -> RE: Safety concerns (2/24/2010 12:29:48 AM)

In reality three words cure this period.

DON'T GO ALONE.

Whether you let them know you're not alone is your call.

And there is absolutely nothing in the world that can make sure a partner does not become abusive or something in a few months. NOTHING. You can meet someone under armed guard for a year and not have any guarantees.

First meets are a problem, but really going into an LTR with a total asshole can be much more detrimental.

T




GraciousLady -> RE: Safety concerns (2/24/2010 7:00:45 AM)

I always meet in a very busy public place in broad daylight and do not park in the parking lot. I NEVER give anyone my picture, last name, personal e mail address or phone number until I'm comfortable. Absolutly NO exceptions. Anyone who has isues with those rules is not to be trusted.




UniqueRaven -> RE: Safety concerns (2/24/2010 7:14:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: GraciousLady

I always meet in a very busy public place in broad daylight and do not park in the parking lot. I NEVER give anyone my picture, last name, personal e mail address or phone number until I'm comfortable. Absolutly NO exceptions. Anyone who has isues with those rules is not to be trusted.


How funny, for me for my safety i never meet anybody who will not give me a picture, last name, alternate email address, or phone number. i tend to see those people as hiding something. Also, trust issues from the get-go? Not what i'm going to be able to sign up for. [;)]

OP, it's really all up to you and your comfort level and how much you trust the person involved. i tend to go off of how "transparent" a potential Owner is being with his information - as i mention above, if it's like pulling teeth to learn anything about a potential Owner other than his CM profile, my little alarm bells of "distrust" tend to go off.

i've flown across the country to meet potential Owners before, to cities where i've known nobody else - and felt very safe. i flew to my ex Master in NYC this way - and we wound up together for 5 years. Thing is i always know how i can get out of a situation, and i always have a "back up plan" for how to leave or get away if things go south - and i don't get into a situation where there is no back up plan available to me, plain and simple. Common sense, really.

A good potential Owner will go out of his way to make sure you feel comfortable, telling you everything you need to know and what to expect, how you will meet, etc. Most have always started with me with a nice dinner or drinks somewhere, with no pressure, and the option that i could leave at any time if i wasn't comfortable. And if someone is pressuring that we will meet and then immediately play or hit the bedroom, then, i don't meet him. i'm not a casual player and i make that very clear before we meet - this property is ultimately for my Owner.

And i share as much information as i receive - he needs to be able to trust me too. [:)]




Smutmonger -> RE: Safety concerns (2/24/2010 9:14:01 AM)

I tend to get really put off and offended if someone is so paranoid after all of the usual honesty and assurances I make-and still seems to think I may be "the nutcase predator."

It does point to a lot deeper issues with me. I usually don't waste time with women with this kind of complex.




TxRanger -> RE: Safety concerns (2/24/2010 9:40:19 AM)

If their middle name is Wayne, or their last name is Peterson, don't go. Never get in a van, and if they are wearing clown makeup run like hell.




stef -> RE: Safety concerns (2/24/2010 9:49:14 AM)

What's wrong with clowns in vans?

[img]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2478/4134028237_52c66340f7.jpg[/img]

~stef




Kaiel -> RE: Safety concerns (2/24/2010 10:54:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TxRanger

If their middle name is Wayne, or their last name is Peterson, don't go. Never get in a van, and if they are wearing clown makeup run like hell.


LOL




juliaoceania -> RE: Safety concerns (2/24/2010 12:54:44 PM)

I have a clown phobia




Smutmonger -> RE: Safety concerns (2/24/2010 12:57:06 PM)

[:)]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDpM2pluNq0&feature=related




lovingpet -> RE: Safety concerns (2/24/2010 3:27:52 PM)

Again, I will say that this really isn't all that different from meeting someone in real life and then moving into the dating realm.  Often you have little information on that first date and the other person "seems nice enough".  I always kept money for phone calls and cab (pre cell phones [:o]) with me in case things didn't go well.  I always let someone know where I was, who I was with, how long I would be out, and called if anything changed.  That was enough.  With one glaring exception (and that wasn't a first date btw) it really was all that was necessary.  Then again, I didn't go home with people or to hotels or even "private" spots.  I wasn't, and still am not, into that.  I did the same with every first meet when I started this.

The one exception was when I was coming from a distance to meet someone I had been talking to for quite some time and felt very good about.  Then I took someone with me.  Why?  If things went well, we had decided we would try a play session together.  This person went to dinner with us.  He (a big, scary dude) cut up with us and had fun.  When things DID go well, he also received a copy of the room key as well as was able to phone from his room right next door.  He popped his head in a few times to make sure everything was okay and called once.  That was all.  It wound up being an annoyance since everything was just fine, but it was what I felt I needed in order to have a sense of safety.  It had more to do with past issues and hang ups than it did the person I was meeting.  And, as an aside, that is the partner I am moving to live with 24/7 in a couple months and we've been together close to two years now.  [:)]

Be smart.  Be safe.  Don't be paranoid.  Good luck and I hope everything goes well! 

lovingpet





GraciousLady -> RE: Safety concerns (2/24/2010 5:46:24 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: UniqueRaven


quote:

ORIGINAL: GraciousLady

I always meet in a very busy public place in broad daylight and do not park in the parking lot. I NEVER give anyone my picture, last name, personal e mail address or phone number until I'm comfortable. Absolutly NO exceptions. Anyone who has isues with those rules is not to be trusted.


How funny, for me for my safety i never meet anybody who will not give me a picture, last name, alternate email address, or phone number. i tend to see those people as hiding something. Also, trust issues from the get-go? Not what i'm going to be able to sign up for. [;)]

OP, it's really all up to you and your comfort level and how much you trust the person involved. i tend to go off of how "transparent" a potential Owner is being with his information - as i mention above, if it's like pulling teeth to learn anything about a potential Owner other than his CM profile, my little alarm bells of "distrust" tend to go off.

i've flown across the country to meet potential Owners before, to cities where i've known nobody else - and felt very safe. i flew to my ex Master in NYC this way - and we wound up together for 5 years. Thing is i always know how i can get out of a situation, and i always have a "back up plan" for how to leave or get away if things go south - and i don't get into a situation where there is no back up plan available to me, plain and simple. Common sense, really.

A good potential Owner will go out of his way to make sure you feel comfortable, telling you everything you need to know and what to expect, how you will meet, etc. Most have always started with me with a nice dinner or drinks somewhere, with no pressure, and the option that i could leave at any time if i wasn't comfortable. And if someone is pressuring that we will meet and then immediately play or hit the bedroom, then, i don't meet him. i'm not a casual player and i make that very clear before we meet - this property is ultimately for my Owner.

And i share as much information as i receive - he needs to be able to trust me too. [:)]



Trust me, I have had a real nut case turn up in my life. It even extended to my kids, brother and sister and our places of work. My clients accounts were hacked in my computer and things stolen from my house. Before it was over the FBI was involved and I had to hire a lawyer to act on my behalf. If that was to happen to you I bet my precautions would not seem as odd to you. It's very true we are completely safe most of the time. It's that one time in a lifetime that you have to be careful of. Besides, I have never had one person complain or refuse to meet me when I told them this is what I do for my safety and theirs.




DesFIP -> RE: Safety concerns (2/27/2010 10:16:20 AM)

Like GL, I see no reason to exchange info until after we've met for coffee and decided there's enough chemistry for a second date. But I can't remember the last time I've heard of a woman being abducted from a Starbuck's in broad daylight.




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