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jlf1961 -> American Takfiris (2/21/2010 8:51:05 PM)

American Takfiris

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The theological justification for al Qaeda's wholesale slaughter of civilians was provided by Sayyid Imam al-Sharif, also known as Dr. Fadl, one of the founding fathers of al Qaeda. Because the murder of innocents is forbidden in Islam and the murder of Muslims in particular, Ayman al-Zawahiri and Osama bin Laden required some sort of theological framework for justifying terrorism. This was provided by al-Sharif, who essentially argued in his book, "The Compendium of the Pursuit of Divine Knowledge," that apostates could be murdered, and that approach, takfir (which has come to be known as takfirism) allowed al Qaeda to, for all intents and purposes, kill anyone they wanted without violating the laws of Islam by declaring them to be apostates (One who has abandoned one's religious faith, a political party, one's principles, or a cause.) In other words, Dr. Fadl helped provided a theological justification for something that everyone involved knew was wrong.

The legal memos justifying torture aren't very different in terms of reasoning--it's clear that John Yoo and his cohorts in the Office of Legal Counsel saw their job not as binding the president to the rule of law, but to declare legal any tactic that the executive branch believed necessary to fight terrorism. They worked backwards from this conclusion, and ethics officials at the Department of Justice, we now know, decided that they they had violated professional standards in doing so. Whereas al-Zawahiri and bin Laden turned to al-Sharif for a method to circumvent the plain language of the Koran, Bush and Cheney went to Yoo and Jay Bybee to circumvent the plain language of the law. Most Islamic scholars, just like most legal experts, reject their respective reasoning as unsound.


This article came to my attention via twitter, a post by Rachel Maddow. I find it to be one more way the faithful justify killing in the name of God (and not just Muslims.) What happened to the go out and preach the word and make converts?




AnimusRex -> RE: American Takfiris (2/21/2010 8:59:01 PM)

From that same article-

"and so, the Bush administration turned to Yoo, a man who believes the president is bound by no laws during wartime: he can murder a village of innocent civilian non-combatants just as surely as he can crush the testicles of a child or deploy the military against residents of the United States. The architects of torture are the intellectual mirror image of their declared enemies, depending on the perceived inhumanity of their foes to justify monstrous actions."





DarkSteven -> RE: American Takfiris (2/21/2010 9:36:33 PM)

It never ceases to amaze me that we don't fight Islam ideologically.  Pointing out how Islam prohibits the slaying of innocents and then calling on prominent clerics to publicly disavow the bloodshed would do a tremendous amount of good in countering the madrassas' bullshit.




JonnieBoy -> RE: American Takfiris (2/21/2010 10:14:49 PM)

That's begun to happen in UK, more of a media campaign than a fight really, there's cetrainly an effort to actively include Muslim community leaders and personalities opinions in the mainstream when there's been the chance. I'm thinking it seems to be a smart move.

Basically, if the major organised religions of the world and their followers all stuck to their own rules ... dare I say it ... religiously ... the world wouldn't be in the mess it's in.

(I suspect China would have a big trade headache too then, considering it's naughty behaviour towards people)

Pirate





Termyn8or -> RE: American Takfiris (2/21/2010 10:51:04 PM)

Brillient idea. In fact, and this is not really a total joke, let's send the Jehovah's Witnesses over. My Father had engaged them and the Mormons, inviting them in for coffee. He busted their balls so bad with logic it just isn't funny.

But it is true, Moslemism is a religion of peace, but so are all in the absence of enemies. Well except for those holy wars.

This percieved threat vs a real threat thing is addressed in another thread. 

T




DarkSteven -> RE: American Takfiris (2/22/2010 5:12:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JonnieBoy

That's begun to happen in UK, more of a media campaign than a fight really, there's cetrainly an effort to actively include Muslim community leaders and personalities opinions in the mainstream when there's been the chance. I'm thinking it seems to be a smart move.



YAY!!!!

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Basically, if the major organised religions of the world and their followers all stuck to their own rules ... dare I say it ... religiously ... the world wouldn't be in the mess it's in.



Agreed!




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