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RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE - 3/11/2010 5:35:55 PM   
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Video: Q&A – Homeland Security’s Michael Chertoff Gets Pounded With 9/11 Questions By C-SPAN Callers


LOL-  he gets a pounding.


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RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE - 3/11/2010 6:01:21 PM   
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http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/706.html  9-10   the waste in Pentagon

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RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE - 3/12/2010 6:54:04 AM   
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RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE - 3/12/2010 7:54:47 PM   
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olberstein claims there was no plane at all, just an explosions

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3cpHxbIIV4


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RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE - 3/12/2010 9:31:07 PM   
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Alex site been attacked.  Possibly trig by Iceland ref that passed to void the debt.


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RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE - 3/13/2010 2:09:17 AM   
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Olberstien?!?!?! sounds like a Jew to me. Obviously trying to confuse the good Christian Patriots

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RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE - 3/13/2010 3:36:04 AM   
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quote:

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olberstein claims there was no plane at all, just an explosions

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3cpHxbIIV4



Big deal, so she heard the crash but didnt see it, no suprise there. What IS interesting is she said it wasnt a loud boom. Have you ever heard a bomb go off, or a controlled explosion. ( Why do I think you havent )  If it was a bomb then she would have heard it, same for a demolition.

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RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE - 3/13/2010 6:00:26 AM   
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Olberstien?!?!?! sounds like a Jew to me. Obviously trying to confuse the good Christian Patriots


The woman from Iceland is a hero.

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RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE - 3/13/2010 5:59:03 PM   
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That's a good point, politesub.  Controlled demolitions use high-energy explosives (fast shock waves) that crack when you hear them.

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RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE - 3/13/2010 6:59:13 PM   
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quote:

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Olberstein claims there was no plane at all, just an explosions

Big deal, so she heard the crash but didnt see it, no suprise there. What IS interesting is she said it wasnt a loud boom. Have you ever heard a bomb go off, or a controlled explosion. ( Why do I think you havent )  If it was a bomb then she would have heard it, same for a demolition.


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That's a good point, politesub.  Controlled demolitions use high-energy explosives (fast shock waves) that crack when you hear them.

That is indeed interesting, Politesub53.
So, thornhappy, what does an explosion that does not produce a loud boom tell about the nature of the explosive? Recall that Olberstein was talking about an alleged impact explosion. Did she see that huge billowing cloud outside the tower? If that was real cloud, then what caused it (presumably twice), and when relative to the damage to the facade?

I simply assume(d) that a huge volume of kerosine was stashed in some office and an explosive added, and that first explosives to damage the facade were activated and that next the trigger explosive on the kerosine stash was ignited. Would such a scenario produce not a loud boom? If anyone has a more credible hypothesis to explain the same effects (assuming as I do that the billowing clouds were real) using some manner of explosives, then please present it. Perhaps whatever is used in a flamethrower instead of kerosine?



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RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE - 3/13/2010 9:06:20 PM   
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There would be a lot of different noises from a plane crash - impact noise with the structure, and the blowout of the opposite wall, and noise from a fireball, which is a low-order explosion (a "whoomp" or gentle boom instead of a "crack").

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RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE - 3/13/2010 9:24:41 PM   
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Umm, you seem to be confused as to the nature of my question, thornhappy. For purposes of clarity: I was not asking what kinds of different sounds a hypothetical aircraft impact makes. I was asking what kind of explosive scenario would produce an "it was not a loud boom" sound.

If you do not know, then admit as much or do not say anything.

If instead someone else can answer my question with a more probable explosion scenario than my own primitive hypothesis, I will be most interested.

Besides: there were no planes.

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RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE - 3/13/2010 11:55:56 PM   
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quote:

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There would be a lot of different noises from a plane crash - impact noise with the structure, and the blowout of the opposite wall, and noise from a fireball, which is a low-order explosion (a "whoomp" or gentle boom instead of a "crack").


oh you mean like this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw




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RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE - 3/16/2010 1:07:43 AM   
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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=agk0FnplVMmc&pos=6


silverstein about to default

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RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE - 3/16/2010 6:29:50 AM   
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http://dprogram.net/2010/03/15/building-what-day-1/#more-32840   ppl valuegly aware 7 fell

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RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE - 3/16/2010 8:23:36 AM   
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http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1519713420100315

Ex-AIG employees might sue over lower payouts
keep in mind YOU bailed AIG out 2x- and AIG paid Silverstein double claim on WTC.

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RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE - 3/16/2010 9:34:40 AM   
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Maybe it was the Green Goblin behind it? He likes his explosives and the buildings did get knocked over in New York...

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RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE - 3/16/2010 10:49:40 AM   
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That is not a credible conspiracy hypothesis, Moonhead. There were plenty of people that utilize explosives just about everywhere in the world and yes, the buildings did get knocked over in New York.

(Besides, the Green Goblin is a fictional character.)

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RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE - 4/6/2010 1:28:52 PM   
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100 million Americans question or find fault with the official 9/11 story In the recent Angus Reid Public Opinion survey of a representative national sample of American adults, 62 per cent of respondents disagree with the view that the “Sept. 11 incident was a big fabrication as a pretext for the campaign against terrorism and a prelude for staging an invasion against Afghanistan.” Far more Republicans disagree at 80 percent, compared to 66 percent of Independents and 55 percent of Democrats./snip





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RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE - 4/6/2010 9:04:56 PM   
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Couldn't find the survey they sourced (and I'm getting veeeeery sleepy), but here's another one by them: (the results at the bottom aren't rendering properly; see the web site for the proper format.)


Angus Reid Global Monitor) - Few people in the United States agree with some of the allegations that have been made in relation to the events of 9/11, according to a poll by Angus Reid Public Opinion. Only 15 per cent of respondents think claims that the collapse of the World Trade Center was the result of a controlled demolition are credible.


In addition, 15 per cent think United Airlines Flight 93 was shot down, 13 per cent believe no airplane actually crashed at the Pentagon, and six per cent agree with the claim that no airplanes crashed into the World Trade Center and that the images seen on television were altered.


Al-Qaeda operatives hijacked and crashed four airplanes in the U.S. on Sept. 11, 2001, killing nearly 3,000 people. In July 2004, the federal commission that investigated the events of 9/11 concluded that "none of the measures adopted by the U.S. government from 1998 to 2001 disturbed or even delayed the progress of the al-Qaeda plot" and pointed out government failures of "imagination, policy, capabilities, and management."


In October 2001, U.S. president George W. Bush ordered the invasion of Afghanistan, claiming that there would be "no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbour them." The conflict began in October 2001, after the Taliban regime refused to hand over al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden without evidence of his participation in the 9/11 terrorist attacks in New York and Washington.


Earlier this month, U.S. attorney general Eric Holder discussed the fate of bin Laden, saying, "The possibility of capturing him alive is infinitesimal. He will be killed by us, or he will be killed by his own people so that he is not captured by us. We know that. (...) The possibility [of capture] simply does not exist."

Polling Data Many things have been said and written about the events of 9/11. For each of the following statements, please say whether you deem them credible or not credible.   Credible Not credible Not sure The collapse of the World Trade Center was the result of a controlled demolition 15% 74% 11% United Airlines Flight 93, which crashed in Pennsylvania, was shot down 15% 62% 22% No airplane actually crashed at the Pentagon on Sept. 11 13% 76% 11% No airplanes crashed into the World Trade Center—the images seen on television were altered 6% 87% 7%

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