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JonnieBoy -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (2/25/2010 5:46:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

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ORIGINAL: Rule
You are now speaking about one of the towers? Or did WTC7 also lurch?

I did investigate the fires in the towers. Those fires were small, of limited duration, and as best as I could determine burned at a maximum temperature of about 230 degrees Centigrade. Those fires could not have made the towers collapse.


WTC7 from memory wasn't that slender, why should it lurch it already had a low centre of gravity.

It really offends me because I watched those towers burn before they collapsed, you nuts are taking away from the fact people were waving for help from those towers with fire raging beneath them. The fire we all saw.

I get offended when people claim they watched it burn and for the life of me I cant find any damn fire!  Please point out the fire?

[image]local://upfiles/59055/4A0A895E30BD4EDDBADD889048F79F3E.jpg[/image]

[image]local://upfiles/59055/50AF8478B82346BCA31244C22B8ECE5D.jpg[/image]

I get very offended when people claim there was all that fire when I cant find any substantial fire what so ever.
So please for all of us point out all that fire that you watched?

I really dont think you need a degree in fire to understand the difference between fire and no fire.

You are taking away from those many independent sources that recorded the initial impacts from various locations. You are trying to rewrite the history we all saw and remembered.



yeh and they all show the airplane going all the way through the building.

We know that is impossible so how can you say that?

[image]local://upfiles/59055/B438A0499A694F60A99DAE484A17D43A.jpg[/image]





Look ... help me (persuade your foreign audience time) out if you can be arsed, since I thought we were on about building 7 ... where exactly is it here ?

Or are you lot just joining in with the programme and tring to muddy the water ?

Pirate



Rule -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (2/25/2010 5:48:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3
It really offends me because I watched those towers burn before they collapsed, you nuts are taking away from the fact people were waving for help from those towers with fire raging beneath them. The fire we all saw.

I like being a nut, thank you. I am even nuttier than you think. Waving people do not make a building collapse, so they are no factor in the collapse.

Yep, I also saw some smoke coming out of them towers. However, smoke neither does make a building collapse. In fact smoke transports heat away, so it was less hot than if there had been no smoke.

As for that little bit of fire? Not sufficient to make such buildings collapse.

quote:

ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3
You are taking away from those many independent sources that recorded the initial impacts from various locations. You are trying to rewrite the history we all saw and remembered.

There were no planes. Thus all these independent sources at those various locations were either lying or purposely telling their individual truth in such a suggestive way that it was interpreted as something else.

Nobody can rewrite the past. The past is, whatever lies people tell about it.



SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (2/25/2010 5:49:51 PM)

You've fucked up that quote I don't remember posting images and I don't know who you are answering.



SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (2/25/2010 5:55:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Rule
I like being a nut, thank you. I am even nuttier than you think. Waving people do not make a building collapse, so they are no factor in the collapse.

Yep, I also saw some smoke coming out of them towers. However, smoke neither does make a building collapse. In fact smoke transports heat away, so it was less hot than if there had been no smoke.

As for that little bit of fire? Not sufficient to make such buildings collapse.

There is no smoke without fire, I saw fire too.

Believe me when I say there is no way at all you can be nuttier than I think you are.

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There were no planes. Thus all these independent sources at those various locations were either lying or purposely telling their individual truth in such a suggestive way that it was interpreted as something else.

Nobody can rewrite the past. The past is, whatever lies people tell about it.

This is how people justify telling lies about history? What is your point?



Real0ne -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (2/25/2010 5:55:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: Rule
I had read up about that suggestion a couple of years ago and my conclusion was that there was no solid evidence for missiles being present: missiles are a false trail.



I agree.

I stick with 7 which was imploded for the insurance money.   



well and the core didnt even get damaged.
Oh they use words like a section was SCOOPED  out to make it sound like there was huge damage when in fact it was nother more than a minor scratch as buildings go.

no mention of column damage anywhere to be found on wtc 7






[image]local://upfiles/59055/00C81F601D0B47A0B6634C8DBC973A03.jpg[/image]



Rule -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (2/25/2010 5:59:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3
Believe me when I say there is no way at all you can be nuttier than I think you are.

I am sure that assertion says more about your lack of imagination than about my nuttiness.



SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (2/25/2010 6:02:05 PM)

You have a better imagination than me, this is true.

At no point in life have I looked for the most unrealistic complex answer to a question.



JonnieBoy -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (2/25/2010 6:05:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

You've fucked up that quote I don't remember posting images and I don't know who you are answering.


If you're talking about post # 61 ... Check it again ... I'll accept your apology

Pirate



Real0ne -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (2/25/2010 6:06:23 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rule
I like being a nut, thank you. I am even nuttier than you think. Waving people do not make a building collapse, so they are no factor in the collapse.

Yep, I also saw some smoke coming out of them towers. However, smoke neither does make a building collapse. In fact smoke transports heat away, so it was less hot than if there had been no smoke.

As for that little bit of fire? Not sufficient to make such buildings collapse.

There is no smoke without fire, I saw fire too.

This is how people justify telling lies about history? What is your point?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkVAvFt3Omc




flcouple2009 -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (2/25/2010 6:06:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

right-  1000 engineers signed petition.

go figure.



Hundreds of Thousands didn't,  go figure.

pssst he's also not an engineer, he's an architect



Rule -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (2/25/2010 6:07:37 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3
You have a better imagination than me, this is true.

At no point in life have I looked for the most unrealistic complex answer to a question.

I quote:

1) "Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle in "A Scandal in Bohemia", spoken by the character Sherlock Holmes."
Source and further information:
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Truth



SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (2/25/2010 6:07:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JonnieBoy

quote:

ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

You've fucked up that quote I don't remember posting images and I don't know who you are answering.


If you're talking about post # 61 ... Check it again ... I'll accept your apology

Pirate


Nope it's still fucked up



Real0ne -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (2/25/2010 6:17:43 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: JonnieBoy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rule
You are now speaking about one of the towers? Or did WTC7 also lurch?

I did investigate the fires in the towers. Those fires were small, of limited duration, and as best as I could determine burned at a maximum temperature of about 230 degrees Centigrade. Those fires could not have made the towers collapse.


WTC7 from memory wasn't that slender, why should it lurch it already had a low centre of gravity.

It really offends me because I watched those towers burn before they collapsed, you nuts are taking away from the fact people were waving for help from those towers with fire raging beneath them. The fire we all saw.

I get offended when people claim they watched it burn and for the life of me I cant find any damn fire!  Please point out the fire?

[image]local://upfiles/59055/4A0A895E30BD4EDDBADD889048F79F3E.jpg[/image]

[image]local://upfiles/59055/50AF8478B82346BCA31244C22B8ECE5D.jpg[/image]

I get very offended when people claim there was all that fire when I cant find any substantial fire what so ever.
So please for all of us point out all that fire that you watched?

I really dont think you need a degree in fire to understand the difference between fire and no fire.

You are taking away from those many independent sources that recorded the initial impacts from various locations. You are trying to rewrite the history we all saw and remembered.



yeh and they all show the airplane going all the way through the building.

We know that is impossible so how can you say that?

[image]local://upfiles/59055/B438A0499A694F60A99DAE484A17D43A.jpg[/image]





Look ... help me (persuade your foreign audience time) out if you can be arsed, since I thought we were on about building 7 ... where exactly is it here ?

Or are you lot just joining in with the programme and tring to muddy the water ?

Pirate



well they like to take the conversation all over hoping they stand a better chance of making one of their arguments stick.

[image]local://upfiles/59055/7BA5997A0D054F998CBCB6A8A436A83D.gif[/image]

straight down in 6 seconds


sort of a no brainer.





SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (2/25/2010 6:20:44 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Rule
quote:

ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3
You have a better imagination than me, this is true.
At no point in life have I looked for the most unrealistic complex answer to a question.

I quote:
1) "Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle in "A Scandal in Bohemia", spoken by the character Sherlock Holmes."
Source and further information:
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Truth

"No more things should be presumed to exist than are absolutely necessary" William of Occam

"In so far as a scientific statement speaks about reality, it must be falsifiable: and in so far as it is not falsifiable, it does not speak about reality" Karl Popper.

"If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end in doubts; but if he will be content to begin with doubts, he shall end in certainties." Francis Bacon

Three quotes, I win quotewars.



JonnieBoy -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (2/25/2010 6:26:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3


quote:

ORIGINAL: JonnieBoy

quote:

ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

You've fucked up that quote I don't remember posting images and I don't know who you are answering.


If you're talking about post # 61 ... Check it again ... I'll accept your apology

Pirate


Nope it's still fucked up


I quoted a post directly, therefore it is not MY job to unfuck the fuckup. You wanna try again? (and try reading MY words ?)

Pirate



JonnieBoy -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (2/25/2010 6:29:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

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ORIGINAL: JonnieBoy
Not sure what people waving for help has to do with the question ??? I think it's more emotive to say falling helplessly to death rather than be burned alive (did they show that in the USA ? because that's certainly what I saw where I watched it). 

Real0ne is suggesting a controlled demolition with little fire and I am suggesting that I recall the building standing for a long period of time while the fire raged and I distinctly recall the fire because some emotive realities are hard to forget.



I'm not doubting there was a fire ... no one I know or was connected with at the time and even to my knowlege until today was on of those freefalling to death in the moving picture images I watched, I'm really unable to even comprehend what seeing this over and over again must be like for those who are alive to say different.

I understood that we were discussing the cause of collapse of building 7, that being so, regardless of the above, anyone who can't set that aside for the purposes of this discussion is surely de-railing the debate. I'm not fucking totally heartless, but no fucker will gag me by trying to twang heart strings, the whole reason we still debate the incongruity of "facts" after such apalling catastrophe is because of the human catastrophe involved.

Pirate



JonnieBoy -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (2/25/2010 6:32:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

well they like to take the conversation all over hoping they stand a better chance of making one of their arguments stick.



Yes ... I know, but some arguments stick like poles.

Pirate



SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (2/25/2010 6:36:26 PM)

I don't care who originally posted it in that state, people should take responsibility for everything they quote onwards.

real0ne fucked it up originally so what? Asking him to fix it is like asking him to believe 911 wasn't a conspiracy, I don't expect others to perpetuate it.

If you are quoting someone it means you have read the entire history of the quote, if you continue those original misquotes then it becomes questionable as to if you understood who said what and what the actual chain of events within the conversation were.

This is why I'm careful to ensure everything that goes through me is checked and I'll apologise if anyone ever points out my failings in this respect.



Rule -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (2/25/2010 6:38:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3
"No more things should be presumed to exist than are absolutely necessary" William of Occam

I agree, as does Albert Einstein, who said if I recall correctly: "Solutions must be simple, but not too simple".

quote:

ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3
"In so far as a scientific statement speaks about reality, it must be falsifiable: and in so far as it is not falsifiable, it does not speak about reality" Karl Popper.

I dunno what falsifiable is, but I do know that planes did not fly into WTC7 and that demolition might bring such a building down in precisely the way it was observed collapsing.

quote:

ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3
"If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end in doubts; but if he will be content to begin with doubts, he shall end in certainties." Francis Bacon

So where are the doubts that you have started out with?

quote:

ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3
Three quotes, I win quotewars.

Well done. I am glad for you.



JonnieBoy -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (2/25/2010 6:41:51 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

I don't care who originally posted it in that state, people should take responsibility for everything they quote onwards.

real0ne fucked it up originally so what? Asking him to fix it is like asking him to believe 911 wasn't a conspiracy, I don't expect others to perpetuate it.

If you are quoting someone it means you have read the entire history of the quote, if you continue those original misquotes then it becomes questionable as to if you understood who said what and what the actual chain of events within the conversation were.

This is why I'm careful to ensure everything that goes through me is checked and I'll apologise if anyone ever points out my failings in this respect.



Fuck me ... language barrier ?

You don't allow cm mail dude, so bollox to you if you think I'm getting drawn into your lingo limbo.

Pirate



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