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pahunkboy -> Woman becomes first prosecuted for failing to report treasure (2/27/2010 5:57:25 AM)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/7326151/Woman-becomes-first-prosecuted-for-failing-to-report-treasure.html it is just a coin! how dumb

Termyn8or -> RE: Woman becomes first prosecuted for failing to report treasure (2/27/2010 10:36:55 PM)
Well I almost don't know where to start. To start, was it on her property ?, even without concerning the laws about what is described as bounty, was she actually on "private" property. Personally I would've sold the thing to someone in another country and be done with it, but what I would do is not the issue. When you buy land in the US you very infrequently get mineral rights. I did not. This place was built in 1905 or so, and back then if oil gushed up I would be rich, but not so today. Now my buddy had no credit, hooked up with a Woman who did, wound up with a couple of kids. He got a house, which was hand built by his own ancestors, on land which was purchased from the "Indians". There had not been a loan on this house for a hundred years, if ever. He had mineral rights. He gave the property to his Woman and she procured a loan at a good rate and they expanded the house for their growing family. All is fine and good right ? Whoops, forgot one thing. There was one day there were mineral rights, which are an asset. The next day there were no mineral rights. Just where did they go ? When I used to hang with the common Law croud, I came up with a saying that got me some real applause, "Property cannot own property". You can only be a holder in good grace. You see we are their property, until and unless we say not. The US is the frontline, the spearhead of the whole thing only because of our unique Constitution. Get people to understand this and we can not just take over the world, we can do it without a shot fired. Our enemies did it to us, and it is plain to see how they did it for those who can comprehend it. And I might add this, no matter how sexist it sounds. Women are easier to control than Men. I am talking on average. I may be in a different world and not brainwashed so much, but I would've not said anything about the origin of that coin. I would have said "NOYFB", and for those of you who may not understand PRE-internet abbreviations, that means None Of Your Fucking Business. So now if I find a penny laying on the sidewalk I have to report it to the police, take three days off work filling out forms, submitting to tests, probably including a polygraph and sit in temporary detention for 72 hours while my international background is verified ? I got two words to say, 10 Termy Points for someone who can guess them. T

PyrotheClown -> RE: Woman becomes first prosecuted for failing to report treasure (2/27/2010 11:31:14 PM)
argh,this case be troublesome

susie -> RE: Woman becomes first prosecuted for failing to report treasure (2/28/2010 12:50:06 AM)
The Treasure Act of 1996 states that anyone fnding an item of treasure (and the law states quite clearly what constitutes treasure) must report the find to the local coroner within 14 days. The Coroner will then determine if it is actually treasure. If it is then the owner is required to offer the item for sale to a museum at a price determined by an independent board of experts. This law is in place to ensure that any artifacts found are kept within the UK and will be available to the general public to view. The finder, if they are the owner of the item, benefits from the sale. Again this is a case of someone clearly breaking the law and being punished for it as should be the case.

WyldHrt -> RE: Woman becomes first prosecuted for failing to report treasure (2/28/2010 1:06:06 AM)
quote: If it is then the owner is required to offer the item for sale to a museum at a price determined by an independent board of experts. Looks like the lady screwed up big time, then. She could have gotten a nice windfall, but wound up with a fine instead.

JonnieBoy -> RE: Woman becomes first prosecuted for failing to report treasure (2/28/2010 7:32:07 AM)
It's a sensible law in terms of protecting heritage as well as identifying significant archaeolocical interests. If someone finds a significant artefact and makes up that it was in their back garden, for example, then the place it actually came from cannot be identified and obviously therefore there's next to no chance of any resultant archeaological investigation or excavation, the end result, which has been the case in the past, is that historical sites and finds remain undiscovered for decades, centuries and perhaps lost forever. There's plenty of metal detectorists who sneak around with questionable motives in the UK, even at night. Considering the wealth of potential history and heritage yet to be found, there could be a lot more than two grands worth of financial interest, which is why this goes on. Not saying thats gone on here, but it happens. Who's to say this woman doesn't know there's more to it? The likelihood of such a find being made in a garden is totally unconvincing. If there's more to it at all, then that sentence would have to be considered a piss take, it's not about the money, she tried to defraud the people of their history and heritage. Without further news on this, it's hard to know, but there's a good possibility someone else/others will know the find location and the find could have involved more than one item. There are plenty of genuine ameteur and professional metal detectorists too, staff working for archaeological trusts and comissions are in their numbers on their days off to my knowlege my comments are not targeted at such hobbyists. Pirate

Termyn8or -> RE: Woman becomes first prosecuted for failing to report treasure (2/28/2010 8:17:47 AM)
Have to disagree here, I think property rights should mean more than that. I also abhor the "righteous"(sp) intervention of "experts". What people are supporting in this nonesensical law is that if I find an old tire in the backyard of a house I bought, I must take it to a government office so they can determine if it's from a 1971 Ford Pinto or a 1931 Bugatti Royale Kellner Coupe. As far as I am concerned, when we bought this property we bought everything on it, in it and under it. Of course that includes the bad sewer line which is going to cost me $$$ this year. If I own the bad pipe, I own the gold watch buried next to it. However living in a country that requires a license for a TV set, the results of the brainwashing will differ. This makes a mess. Now in the US we have the BLM, Bureau of Land Management. This is where you get mineral rights without having to actually buy the land. This happens to have caused a bloodbath up in Montana years back, with claimholders actually waging war. This only came to light when the loser opened up on his neighbors and killed a roomful of people. Of course we all heard about the carnage on the news because it's good for gun control, but my buddy "Yuck" up there told me how it is. You DO NOT go in that area unarmed. The guy that went off was landlocked by other claimants, and they told him the only way he was getting any gold out of there was by helicopter. He did for a time, but it was too inefficient to ship the ore that way so he smelted it the old fashioned way, which pretty much means in a hole in the ground. Buried way back in the back room of a business I bought back in the 1980s was a coin. I don't know if it had any value or what. But it looked really old. As such, I attempted to find out, and this was a rented building, it was just a lease bought with the business. We didn't own the actual land or building. Not very trusting in numismatics and other "professionals" the coin was put away for safe keeping. Put away so well in fact that over the years it got lost. But under these rules I am still a thief ? Debate or agree to disagree, but I am a "finders keepers" type. I have lost and wept, so fukum. There are limits though. If I find a bag full of money, you'll never know. If I find a wallet with a good bunch of money in it I would make every attempt to return it within reason. But finding like fifty grand in a paper bag is probably the result of a drug deal gone bad. Not that it makes it right to take the money, except for the fact that the previous owner did not want it. When I have my whole front yard dug out this year, if I find a Zippo lighter from years past, do I need to take it to the local authorities before lighting my cigarette with it ? Or would filling it with modern lighter fuel and flint be considered defacing public property ? My view is that a line must be drawn, and everyone has their own idea on just where it should be drawn. I suggest the property line. T

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