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RE: What a wonderful global economy - 3/3/2010 7:15:54 PM   
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"Central banks are limited in their gold sales to 500 tonnes a year under international agreements. But still, not all central banks are sellers, including the world's biggest.

"The US is the world's biggest official holder of gold, at 8135 tonnes at the end of 2007, and it hasn't been selling.

"Unlike most central banks, the US Federal Reserve holds the bulk of its official reserves - or close to 80 per cent - in gold. That's because it can't hold its own US dollar assets as official reserves.

"The second biggest holder of gold is Germany (3417 tonnes at the end of December or 66 per cent of its reserves), followed by the IMF (3217 tonnes), France (2622 tonnes or 56 per cent of its reserves) and Italy (2452 tonnes or 67 per cent of its total reserves).

"On average, countries hold 10 per cent of their reserves in gold, although the proportion varies widely from one country to another."

[Source: WSJ]


The US has 300 billion $ in gold.

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RE: What a wonderful global economy - 3/3/2010 7:17:47 PM   
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The U.S. has 8,133.5 metric tonnes of gold (it is the world’s largest holder). That’s 16,267,000 pounds. At current dollar values, it’s worth around $300 billion.

http://nationalexpositor.com/News/2172.html

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RE: What a wonderful global economy - 3/3/2010 7:19:25 PM   
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It's too bad that the rest of our "worth" is in totally worthless paper. A big percentage of which is held by China now.

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RE: What a wonderful global economy - 3/3/2010 7:24:16 PM   
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If by worthless you mean a $14 trillion economy, yeah.

Money is a concept, not a thing. Paper, shells, beans, gold, makes no difference.

If it were worthless, then China holding it wouldn't mean anything.

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RE: What a wonderful global economy - 3/3/2010 7:28:51 PM   
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Silver and to a lesser extent gold do have applications in electronics.

the point is with all the trillions- when you add up all the US gold- that tally comes to only 300 billion.  which when taken in proportion is small money.

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RE: What a wonderful global economy - 3/3/2010 7:29:54 PM   
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When you look at the cost of delivered American goods-by the time it works it's way up the supply,transport and labor chain.......as much as fifty percent of the cost of wholesale goods is in taxes. but people still stupidly insist that business is the culprit in offshoring.

They are not-they have to remain competitve in a global market-and are being hamstrung at home. It doesn't help that investment bankers are encouraging them to send thier business overseas-since they are more likely to get a return on thier loans if they do. So the real issue is to do with a wasteful government-but the politicos are not going to allow the media to run stories on that-they can yank fcc liscences if you buck city hall.

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Sorry, myself not a big fan of the U.S. subsidizing China. Look at all the poison drywall that went to the south east, antifreeze in toothpast, lead in toys....

The biggest thing that pisses me off, all the digital boxes the U.S. government gave coupons for, all made someplace else. Why not do wht China does? Subsidize manufacturing and keep the prices lower (and jobs) here.

Yeah global economy is a good idea but it aint working when all the players aren't playing the same game. China manufacturing is not regulated the same way it is here, EPA, OSHA.

As far as Jap car recalls, I read someplace the government whants to investigate some of their "recalls" or lack of publication of them.

Oh I drive Chevy Astro work vans, all over 150K other than usual maint no issues.

I try to buy American, and local, support small buisness as much as possible. Somethings are going to be imported, it's going to happen. But when a country has a track record of violations and fraud and unsafe practices shouldn't something be done?







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RE: What a wonderful global economy - 3/3/2010 7:32:51 PM   
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When you look at the cost of delivered American goods-by the time it works it's way up the supply,transport and labor chain.......as much as fifty percent of the cost of wholesale goods is in taxes. but people still stupidly insist that business is the culprit in offshoring.

They are not-they have to remain competitve in a global market-and are being hamstrung at home. It doesn't help that investment bankers are encouraging them to send thier business overseas-since they are more likely to get a return on thier loans if they do. So the real issue is to do with a wasteful government-but the politicos are not going to allow the media to run stories on that-they can yank fcc liscences if you buck city hall.

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Sorry, myself not a big fan of the U.S. subsidizing China. Look at all the poison drywall that went to the south east, antifreeze in toothpast, lead in toys....

The biggest thing that pisses me off, all the digital boxes the U.S. government gave coupons for, all made someplace else. Why not do wht China does? Subsidize manufacturing and keep the prices lower (and jobs) here.

Yeah global economy is a good idea but it aint working when all the players aren't playing the same game. China manufacturing is not regulated the same way it is here, EPA, OSHA.

As far as Jap car recalls, I read someplace the government whants to investigate some of their "recalls" or lack of publication of them.

Oh I drive Chevy Astro work vans, all over 150K other than usual maint no issues.

I try to buy American, and local, support small buisness as much as possible. Somethings are going to be imported, it's going to happen. But when a country has a track record of violations and fraud and unsafe practices shouldn't something be done?








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RE: What a wonderful global economy - 3/3/2010 7:34:35 PM   
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Lets also not forget the high cost of environmental regulations that businesses in this country are forced to deal with and pay for. They are fighting a losing battle.

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RE: What a wonderful global economy - 3/3/2010 7:35:07 PM   
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Silver and to a lesser extent gold do have applications in electronics.

the point is with all the trillions- when you add up all the US gold- that tally comes to only 300 billion.  which when taken in proportion is small money.

Of course they do. Silver and gold are things.

Money, though, is a concept. You too are confusing the two.

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RE: What a wonderful global economy - 3/3/2010 7:59:23 PM   
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Yeah global economy is a good idea but it aint working when all the players aren't playing the same game...


Free trade only works if you're making something that someone else wants to buy at a better price than they can get it at home. The U.S. has been failing in that area for some time.


That's partial bullshit. Free trade works quite well when you provide anything at a substantially lower cost than your competitor.  As for the US failing in that area, it has not been on quality. My last 3 US cars went over 600,000 miles combined and the current one is closing in on 200,000. Basic and good maintenance is all it really takes to make most any car these days last.

The thing the us has failed on is cost. I won't waste the energy on that except to say that cost, good or bad, is what built a lot of American lives - something we've exported along with the jobs. Retrain, rethink only works for a portion of society. There is and always will be a portion that needs the steady day in, day out grind of the kind of work we have let go everywhere else.

But then again, we're all about subsidizing the rest of the world. And who really gives a shit who made the thing they're wanting to buy as long as it is cheap. That's the overriding decision in a lot of cases.


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RE: What a wonderful global economy - 3/4/2010 4:49:50 AM   
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God forbid that Americans should buy cheap crappy foreign products rather than expensive crappy domestic products. They must be socialists. Or Nazis. Or National Socialists...

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RE: What a wonderful global economy - 3/4/2010 5:18:53 AM   
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Show me where else I can get a reliable, fuel-efficient, safe automobile that holds its value well for $12,000 new and drive it for 200,000 miles plus.



I don't want to jinx it but my Nissan and my previous Honda all fit your criteria. 

My son now drives my Nissan and I drive my Master's Chrysler 300C.  So far I've been very impressed with the Chrysler.

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RE: What a wonderful global economy - 3/4/2010 7:03:40 AM   
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Show me where else I can get a reliable, fuel-efficient, safe automobile that holds its value well for $12,000 new and drive it for 200,000 miles plus.



I hate to disillusion him as well but my poor chevy truck has 210,000 hard miles.  Work miles, loaded with the bed down on the axle pulling overloaded trailers.  It had a starter at about 180,000, an alternator at about 204,000 and a rear u joint somewhere in between. 

Not to mention the in laws have slew of Buicks like LeSabres and Centurys  that have all run over 200,000 with minimal problems and they also get close to 30mpg on the highway. 

If you wanna buy your cute little toyota that's fine but let's not pretend that everything else is junk. 

I don't want to jinx it but my Nissan and my previous Honda all fit your criteria. 

My son now drives my Nissan and I drive my Master's Chrysler 300C.  So far I've been very impressed with the Chrysler.

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RE: What a wonderful global economy - 3/4/2010 7:43:21 AM   
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At least Toyota tried to identify and fix the problem not cover it up to reduce costs.



I take it you haven't been following this story too closely.

Government uncovered evidence of Toyota cover-up

New York, NY (NewYorkInjuryNews.com) – A government congressional council has uncovered proof that Toyota Corporation has consistently and deliberately withheld company records from many personal injury cases brought against them since the massive vehicle recalls, announced the New York Times.
...Toyota’s credibility is also in question about whether they withheld relevant and significant information from government officials, such as U.S auto safety regulators.

Japan Transport Minister Hints at Toyota Cover-Up

The Japanese Government turned its guns on Toyota Tuesday as its Transport Minister hinted at a cover-up of safety issues at the carmaker that is under criminal investigation by the United States over the recall of millions of cars.




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RE: What a wonderful global economy - 3/4/2010 7:56:28 AM   
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Yeah global economy is a good idea but it aint working when all the players aren't playing the same game...


Free trade only works if you're making something that someone else wants to buy at a better price than they can get it at home. The U.S. has been failing in that area for some time.


Failing?

So in order for the U.S. to offer that product at the better price we would need to lower the average factory wage of 21 dollars per hour to the 64 cents per hour the average Chinese factory worker earns.

And you think we are competing on even terms?






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RE: What a wonderful global economy - 3/4/2010 7:57:43 AM   
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well, perhaps a tax cut would resolve this................



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RE: What a wonderful global economy - 3/4/2010 7:58:17 AM   
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What ever happened to the Toyota guy that jumped up in those old commercials.

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RE: What a wonderful global economy - 3/4/2010 8:00:22 AM   
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killed in a defective toyota

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RE: What a wonderful global economy - 3/4/2010 8:00:54 AM   
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Well my car has sudden acceleration issues, a 1995 GMC with a vortec. Every time I step on that gas all the way it also loses traction on the rear wheels. However I have decided not to take it in for service because it only happens when I push the pedal hard. Must be that hundred year old technology, the cable and spring.

And fuck silver and gold as well as money. You can't eat it. What is the real difference if a mode of exchange is chosen or manufactured ? What I want to know is how they get those big oceanliners full of these parts across the globe for free. Someone is in on this. If it were that cheap I could send and recieve things from China for about fifty cents shipping, but only up to maybe 70 lbs. Am I to understand that the higher cost of shipping for us is because we have varied destinations ? I'll pick it up right at the harbor then.

It costs me to make an international call. Yet for some reason it's cheaper from India, to the point they can make cold calls selling me insurance and discussing medical and financial records. How can they do these things ? Apparently big business gets the advantage and we subsidise and amortize the cost of their infrastructure.

Just try to ship one car overseas. Call someone in Russia just to chat.

This "global economy" was not borne of fair market conditions. The numbers simply do not add up. The only thing that makes any sense is that workers in China are not paid at all, but in fact pay to work. Someone gives away millions of gallons of deisel fuel every day also, wish I knew where they were getting it.

The more things change......... Notice how Japanese car makers started building plants here after the standard of living went up there ? Now even they can't buy parts made in the US, even in the US. Poetic justice.

BTW, someone here thought I was unaware of the importing going on many years before the average Joe knew about it. To that I respond that the least recent evidence of mass importing I remember is the introduction of the Skoda back in about 1956. Your beloved Chrysler corp. imported them from Czeckoslovakia. No I wasn't here, but I do have the ads, on paper. Shall I scan them or will I be accused of "Photoshopping", which wasn't a verb when I was a kid ?

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RE: What a wonderful global economy - 3/4/2010 8:10:40 AM   
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Speaking of drug and booze... few here would want to see me 20 years ago.

I have mellowed 10 fold here.

I had some stored food- which I had to throw out - as it all went buggy.

Up until 1965 the coins were real silver.   that way you still had value- irregardless of how many.  I may not like dolls- but If I could trade them for things I do like- then it would not make sense not to.

if we get into trade for trade- what junk can you trade?   as it is few can trade labor because they have no real skills. so ok- you have a basket of garden stuff you grew= and you trade it for what?   What?   You might even trade it for the dolls knowing you can trade the doll for some cigarettes.   But in very few instances will you trade something of value for something with out value.  

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