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RE: Do you think a d/s relationship is any less real th... - 3/4/2010 6:37:51 PM   
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i just read a profile where a woman said she wants a dom with a sense of humor because d/s was not real

so the question is do you find your sense of commitment any less than you would or have in a marriage

does being socially sanctioned make marriage more real?


The underlined sentence does not make sense to me.  Are doms without a sense of humor fake or is it the d/s that's fake with a humor challenged dom?  Why is someone who thinks d/s isn't real, looking for a dominant?

Osf, not picking on you, I  promise.  But, how did you jump from that single statement to the correlation you are making between a commitment to d/s and marraige?  What am I missing?

Am I just being dense and not getting the underlined statement?  Can someone explain it to me?

Ok, that out of the way, I'll answer the actual questions. 

Since I never expect to ever marry again, I sure hope that my sense of commitment to any relationship I'm in would be as strong without it.

If I was looking for sanction from society, it might make it more real.  But I'm not.  So, no.



she felt d/s wasn't real so i got to wondering what women felt about that and how they compared it to a socially recognized relationship that is considered real

to me all human relationships and activities have a certain unreality about them as they are only real by consensus

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RE: Do you think a d/s relationship is any less real th... - 3/4/2010 6:45:53 PM   
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so the question is do you find your sense of commitment any less than you would or have in a marriage

does being socially sanctioned make marriage more real?


My mom is a lesbian, and has been with her partner for fifteen years. Marriage doesn't make anything more "real" and has nothing to do with commitment. All it does is enable people to see their partners in the hospital, and get custody of the kids and the like. It's pure legality and has nothing to do with the strength and love behind a relationship. I understand there are those that enjoy the security of marriage, but being without one doesn't make two people any less committed - the people themselves are responsible for that commitment.

As to whether D/s is comparable to marriage, I would say that it's not, because the D/s isn't the crux of the relationship, the people are. People who are Doms and subs are comparable to people who are vanilla. Commitment level depends on those involved.

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RE: Do you think a d/s relationship is any less real th... - 3/4/2010 6:54:52 PM   
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As to whether D/s is comparable to marriage, I would say that it's not, because the D/s isn't the crux of the relationship, the people are. People who are Doms and subs are comparable to people who are vanilla. Commitment level depends on those involved.



I mostly agree with this that it's both individuals commitment that makes or breaks a relationship

but in the case of a d/s relationship the phrase i like is," both serve the relationship"

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RE: Do you think a d/s relationship is any less real th... - 3/4/2010 6:57:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: osf

i just read a profile where a woman said she wants a dom with a sense of humor because d/s was not real

so the question is do you find your sense of commitment any less than you would or have in a marriage

does being socially sanctioned make marriage more real?


fast reply

I actually believe My sense of commitment within My D/s relationship is equally as committed as a marriage. Actually, (from My experience) I have found that My D/s relationship/marriage is more honest, loving, trusting, and communicative than any vanilla relationship or attempt at a vanilla marriage I have ever had. But, I also am a firm believer that in life you get out what you put into a situation. So, if said "Domme" believes D/s is not real, than it's not real for her... it's pretty real for Me.


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RE: Do you think a d/s relationship is any less real th... - 3/4/2010 6:59:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: osf

she felt d/s wasn't real so i got to wondering what women felt about that and how they compared it to a socially recognized relationship that is considered real

to me all human relationships and activities have a certain unreality about them as they are only real by consensus


Thank you for taking the time to clarify a bit for me. 

Growing up as a Southern Baptist, where wives were taught to submit to their husbands - I tended to see Marriage as religiously sanctioned D/s.   Even now that I'm a happy heathen, it is still hard for me to see the diference sometimes.

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RE: Do you think a d/s relationship is any less real th... - 3/4/2010 7:00:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: osf

i just read a profile where a woman said she wants a dom with a sense of humor because d/s was not real

so the question is do you find your sense of commitment any less than you would or have in a marriage

does being socially sanctioned make marriage more real?


One is NOT mutually dependent nor inclusive of the other. Each is it's own entity and each is valid under it's own set of circumstances. A person can have one ot he other or even both as part of their lives. There is no need to compare whether one is better then the other. To do so implies a one wayism which indicates a form of stupidity and ignorance.


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RE: Do you think a d/s relationship is any less real th... - 3/4/2010 7:15:33 PM   
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I would argue that in some cases, a consensual D/s relationship is more "real" than a marriage simply because all parties involved are there for the simple reason that they want to be there.  Even though it is becoming much easier to have a divorce, it seems as though there are still many married couples who are unhappy, yet stay in their unfulfilled relationship because of the legal elements involved in the marriage contract.

While there may be legal repercussions for certain things a married individual may do, those in D/s relationships are free to enslave and be enslaved...or some such paradox.


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RE: Do you think a d/s relationship is any less real th... - 3/4/2010 8:02:51 PM   
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I think finding a Dom you can feel a connection to that has a sense of humor is the twigs and berries!

Humor and a good sense of it are a lost art. So many people are wrapped up in their little tiffs and dramas. The way, I find, for myself to relax about issues or any obstacle, seems, to be able to laugh at it. I'm not a comedian, and I don't say I have the art of humor, yet I can be a silly goose. Still humor to me is a gift right up there with rocket science or mind reading....or something. Somehow, if two people are able to establish something real and have a good give & take of humor banter, well humor is like a social bandaid to any aliment. I'm new to figuring it out, yet someone has been teaching me. I can be twice shy and I overthink, yet the humor aspect, his ability to make me laugh and give it right back, ugh...it just is "good feeling" Plus he's smart as hell, genuine, real and quick.

anyone who finds this combo, count your lucky stars......the scales tilt in your favor and his/hers.


edited because i re-read the prev posts...

concerning marriage, I almost think it's the best way to end a relationship.
I'm a libra, subject to change, yet feel I am most committed to someone when the door to exit is right there in front of me. My commitment is show in my freedom of choice to be who I am with who I am with with no legal binds around me. I cannot understand the construct of marriage. Not after divorce. Marriage makes one lazy. It says I've got you, in a legal cage. It's a mental fuck....eh...I'm a jaded girl on the issue. I'd rather have a best friend, bonded by what is only the true bond, ones word. No one is better than their word and their word is as good as their bond. Fuck legalities. Fuck all of that. If I am committed to you, you will know it, 100 percent. True connection is not written on paper. What is written on paper is a dying mans will....an indian treaty.....

some will argue, some will differ, and I know for some it isn't true...in this present state, I see things as such and I never do suspect my word will not be as good as my bond.

fuck paper trivilialities...someone would have to make me see a good argument of their pov to see otherwise.

< Message edited by sweetboundesire -- 3/4/2010 8:13:04 PM >


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RE: Do you think a d/s relationship is any less real th... - 3/4/2010 8:16:51 PM   
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does being socially sanctioned make marriage more real?

Real as opposed to what fake? They are both real but marriage is more of a commitment in the sense that if the relationship ends it's not just a matter of walking away, they have to deal with the government.

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RE: Do you think a d/s relationship is any less real th... - 3/4/2010 8:51:51 PM   
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I believe marriage should be outlawed until you are at least 60 yrs old.

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RE: Do you think a d/s relationship is any less real th... - 3/4/2010 9:27:10 PM   
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quote:

she felt d/s wasn't real so i got to wondering what women felt about that and how they compared it to a socially recognized relationship that is considered real

to me all human relationships and activities have a certain unreality about them as they are only real by consensus


When I first started seeking a dominant some 4 years ago I was perplexed by how serious sounding most of the profiles were that emailed me... even the screen names... like sterndom, StrictHardAss etc etc etc. I did not want a "strict" dom. I did not want a hard ass. I did not want someone who was stern. This was a major turn off to me. I wanted someone who did not take themselves or life to seriously and who made me laugh and who knew how to laugh...

Perhaps this submissive is of the same mindset I was all those years ago and is just communicating it differently? Perhaps she is tired of those oh too serious sounding dominants that sound as if they wouldn't know what a good time was if it jumped up and bit them on the ass


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RE: Do you think a d/s relationship is any less real th... - 3/5/2010 5:20:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sweetboundesire

I think finding a Dom you can feel a connection to that has a sense of humor is the twigs and berries!

Humor and a good sense of it are a lost art. So many people are wrapped up in their little tiffs and dramas. The way, I find, for myself to relax about issues or any obstacle, seems, to be able to laugh at it. I'm not a comedian, and I don't say I have the art of humor, yet I can be a silly goose. Still humor to me is a gift right up there with rocket science or mind reading....or something. Somehow, if two people are able to establish something real and have a good give & take of humor banter, well humor is like a social bandaid to any aliment. I'm new to figuring it out, yet someone has been teaching me. I can be twice shy and I overthink, yet the humor aspect, his ability to make me laugh and give it right back, ugh...it just is "good feeling" Plus he's smart as hell, genuine, real and quick.

anyone who finds this combo, count your lucky stars......the scales tilt in your favor and his/hers.


edited because i re-read the prev posts...

concerning marriage, I almost think it's the best way to end a relationship.
I'm a libra, subject to change, yet feel I am most committed to someone when the door to exit is right there in front of me. My commitment is show in my freedom of choice to be who I am with who I am with with no legal binds around me. I cannot understand the construct of marriage. Not after divorce. Marriage makes one lazy. It says I've got you, in a legal cage. It's a mental fuck....eh...I'm a jaded girl on the issue. I'd rather have a best friend, bonded by what is only the true bond, ones word. No one is better than their word and their word is as good as their bond. Fuck legalities. Fuck all of that. If I am committed to you, you will know it, 100 percent. True connection is not written on paper. What is written on paper is a dying mans will....an indian treaty.....

some will argue, some will differ, and I know for some it isn't true...in this present state, I see things as such and I never do suspect my word will not be as good as my bond.

fuck paper trivilialities...someone would have to make me see a good argument of their pov to see otherwise.



It's taken me years to get rid of my sense of humor and now you say i have to get it back.

I wish you women would make up your minds about what you want in a dom

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RE: Do you think a d/s relationship is any less real th... - 3/5/2010 7:20:42 AM   
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They are simply two different types of relationships. One has rules and laws protecting the parties in that relationship. The other doesn't.

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RE: Do you think a d/s relationship is any less real th... - 3/5/2010 8:55:56 AM   
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do you find your sense of commitment any less than you would or have in a marriage


nope. it is merely a different type of commitment...both are as real as the participants integrity.

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does being socially sanctioned make marriage more real?


a legally enforceable contract, in this slave's mind, doesn't make anyone's relationship "real". the participant's individual integrity does.

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RE: Do you think a d/s relationship is any less real th... - 3/5/2010 1:51:24 PM   
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but in the case of a d/s relationship the phrase i like is," both serve the relationship"


The implication then is that couples in a vanilla relationship do it differently? Ultimately for any relationship of any kind to work, both need to "serve the relationship." Two friends both need to be willing to "serve the friendship," married couples must "serve the marriage," homosexual couples must "serve the partnership," the list goes on and on. Hell even one's relationship with their dog, man's best friend and man are both serving that relationship as well.

People need to stop thinking that slapping a D/s label or power dynamic on their relationship makes their situation more special than anyone else's. While you may have a deeper commitment than you neighbor, it isn't necessarily deeper than the couple's across the street. It's the two people who are involved who have made decisions as to how their relationship is going to work, regardless of a power dynamic that makes each relationship "special" to the people involved in it.

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RE: Do you think a d/s relationship is any less real th... - 3/5/2010 1:55:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dominasola

I would argue that in some cases, a consensual D/s relationship is more "real" than a marriage simply because all parties involved are there for the simple reason that they want to be there.  Even though it is becoming much easier to have a divorce, it seems as though there are still many married couples who are unhappy, yet stay in their unfulfilled relationship because of the legal elements involved in the marriage contract.

While there may be legal repercussions for certain things a married individual may do, those in D/s relationships are free to enslave and be enslaved...or some such paradox.



Your theory completely ignores those relationships where the s-type is unfufilled yet feels they can't leave without proper "release" or that since they made the commitment, they are stuck for life. The difference there is there is NO legal protection for their stupidity in believing that to be so.


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RE: Do you think a d/s relationship is any less real th... - 3/5/2010 2:29:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady


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ORIGINAL: Dominasola

I would argue that in some cases, a consensual D/s relationship is more "real" than a marriage simply because all parties involved are there for the simple reason that they want to be there.  Even though it is becoming much easier to have a divorce, it seems as though there are still many married couples who are unhappy, yet stay in their unfulfilled relationship because of the legal elements involved in the marriage contract.

While there may be legal repercussions for certain things a married individual may do, those in D/s relationships are free to enslave and be enslaved...or some such paradox.



Your theory completely ignores those relationships where the s-type is unfufilled yet feels they can't leave without proper "release" or that since they made the commitment, they are stuck for life. The difference there is there is NO legal protection for their stupidity in believing that to be so.




if they believe it so, then for them it is so and to call it stupid may be doing them a diservice

after all marriage at one time was thought to be like that

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RE: Do you think a d/s relationship is any less real th... - 3/5/2010 3:54:38 PM   
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so the question is do you find your sense of commitment any less than you would or have in a marriage

No
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does being socially sanctioned make marriage more real?

No.

Marriages are about as real as the couples make them....which is to say (statistically speaking) not very.

D/s relationships are about as real as the couples make them...probably also not very.


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RE: Do you think a d/s relationship is any less real th... - 3/5/2010 6:35:25 PM   
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As much as this may tick off some, while both types of relationships (i.e., of the 'nilla or BDSM sort) are very "real" to those involved, marriage holds the greater "commitment" because there are LEGAL CONSEQUENCES associated with marriage.



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RE: Do you think a d/s relationship is any less real th... - 3/5/2010 7:30:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: osf


quote:

ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady


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ORIGINAL: Dominasola

I would argue that in some cases, a consensual D/s relationship is more "real" than a marriage simply because all parties involved are there for the simple reason that they want to be there.  Even though it is becoming much easier to have a divorce, it seems as though there are still many married couples who are unhappy, yet stay in their unfulfilled relationship because of the legal elements involved in the marriage contract.

While there may be legal repercussions for certain things a married individual may do, those in D/s relationships are free to enslave and be enslaved...or some such paradox.



Your theory completely ignores those relationships where the s-type is unfufilled yet feels they can't leave without proper "release" or that since they made the commitment, they are stuck for life. The difference there is there is NO legal protection for their stupidity in believing that to be so.




if they believe it so, then for them it is so and to call it stupid may be doing them a diservice

after all marriage at one time was thought to be like that


At one time, it was impossible to LEGALLY obtain a divorce. At no time has it been illegal to leave a consensual master/slave relationship. The "disservice" is to let them continue to believe that they must remain miserable because some foolish dom refuses to "release" them.

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