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RE: Building a Better Teacher - 3/7/2010 11:31:19 PM

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Welcome to the teachers union in Wisconsin. That is the salary for 188 teaching days in the year.

Again for the math challanged we have 188 teaching days a year where the teacher dedicates between ten and twelve hours a day is over 2000 hours a year. Teachers are salaried not hourly,so there is no overtime.
Forty hours a week for 50 weeks a year is 2000 hours.
This private tutorial has been brought to you free of charge,by a math teacher, because you obviously failed to pay attention when you were in school.

Bullshit. Try to find a teacher before 0745 or after 1530.

188 x 7= 1365.
65,000/1365= c. 47.62

This is brought to you by a guy with a calculator, but without a need to justify his earnings.

BTW, my wife teaches nursing at a local college. Has since Flo died, more or less. Listening to her complain about how unbelievably hard her day was on the rare, rare occasions she actually puts in an eight hour day goes a long way towards explaining the high cost of college and the terrible burden of government in general.

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RE: Building a Better Teacher - 3/7/2010 11:42:18 PM

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Bullshit. Try to find a teacher before 0745 or after 1530.

Bullshit. I am a teacher. I go in to work at 7 am and stay usually until 4. I then go home and snag a few hours with my family, then do lesson plans and grade papers. I went into teaching just a few years ago, leaving a very cush corporate job behind. I did this because teaching is an incredibly fulfiling job, but it is certainly one of the toughest jobs I have ever had. I am liable and responsible for 170 students a day in a room full of potential explosives. I may not refuse to teach a student, even if they have screamed obsenities at me, or started a fight. I most likely will get a call at night from some angry parent whose lazy child has not done his/her homework, begging for me to fix their grade.
Don't even start it, Bub.

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RE: Building a Better Teacher - 3/8/2010 1:16:20 AM

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In BC tutoring is very popular. The parents often pay for private tutoring lessons to advance child's knowledge and understanding.
In US it is not so widely spread in my experience. To somehow magically make the teachers teach much better in short period of time is total illusion. Laying off bad teachers would not help much as you will end up getting them back as there is no large unemployed pool of certified teachers available. The whole system of teachers education and certification is very inert. Modern governments are not capable solving any complex problems. So, the tutoring is viable solution. Many tutors here have advanced university degrees. They could not teach at school otherwise as the government would not issue the teaching certificate without pedagogical education. Also it makes some retired high level professionals share their knowledge.

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RE: Building a Better Teacher - 3/8/2010 4:05:12 AM

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In BC tutoring is very popular. The parents often pay for private tutoring lessons to advance child's knowledge and understanding.

The same in Québec. But you realise that private tutoring is only available to those who can afford it. Those are the same who can afford private schools and all the amenities that can enhance a child's learning experience.

I don't think there are so many issues with the quality of education of the privileged. They will be just fine. I think it's the education of the masses that is greater concern.

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RE: Building a Better Teacher - 3/8/2010 6:29:39 AM

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Bullshit. Try to find a teacher before 0745 or after 1530.

That would be easy,finding truth or logic in your post is not.

188 x 7= 1365.
65,000/1365= c. 47.62

This is brought to you by a guy with a calculator,

What do you do when your battery dies?

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RE: Building a Better Teacher - 3/8/2010 1:24:34 PM

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Teachers are born, not made

You reckon mate?

Without a WW1 there would have been no Hitler.

Without Nietzsche's father dying when he was young there would have been no Nietzsche and probably no Freud.

Without the waterways and natural resources that Britain enjoyed there would have been no British Empire.

Without Sartre's father dying when he was young there would have been no Sartre and this would have had an impact on the number of left-wing revolutions in the '60s and '70s.

Life is one of possibilities/doors/options/paths......to suggest something is born a certain way suggests an inevitability and I for one can't agree with that.

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RE: Building a Better Teacher - 3/8/2010 2:19:17 PM

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What I am saying with that statement is there are many who aspire to be teachers for whatever reason, but once they become teachers, depending on their personal abilities it is not to say they would be a useful teacher, sure they could go through the motions and teach what the authorities want taught, but if they lack natural teacher skills like patience and a real desire to reach out to those that have to know so that they may learn, beyond the pay check they are not a good teacher and may actually create confusion, not education. I am here referring to teachers as if they were in our education system, teaching those who have to be taught by law.

Personally, with our modern advances in psychology and psychometric testing, I believe part of school should be testing as to find out where a person's natural skills lie, testing to be done over a period of years to account for growing up. The result of such testing might give the children and their parents a clue as to what would be a suitable job for them to pursue training for, relevant qualifications etc. I say this, as from schooltime memories, I remember the career ideas I had, which were supported, but none of which were followed, as I did not have the abilities needed for my chosen path. The lack of natural abilities was only found later, long after choices and exams routes were chosen.

With such testing, those who would be suitable as natural teachers may be found and there equipped with the additional skills necessary to build a better teacher, like I said, teachers are born, not made, as are mechanics, designers, medics etc, just find the natural ability and there develop it.

I recently have had such psychometric testing for the first time in my life, and the realisation was what jobs I have been doing over the past twenty years I lacked the natural ability in those fields, work I know was a big contributor to my depressive issues, and the though is, if I lacked the natural personality for the job, no wonder I did not enjoy what I was doing, and had little belief in where I was going.As work is a large and important part of our lives, it makes sense that we should be doing what we are naturally good at, as we may then be happier in our work. Following my psychometric testing, I am now in a position to correct my ill chosen career path.

The world of work depends on how we were taught, what we get from work beyond the pay is influenced by our natural abilities.

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RE: Building a Better Teacher - 3/8/2010 2:26:32 PM

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Psychometry? I thought that was that crap about psychic impressions being left in inanimate objects by the people who handle them. When did the psychologists reclaim that term from the nutcases?

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RE: Building a Better Teacher - 3/8/2010 2:50:49 PM

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I am not promoting this company, but giving them as an example of the uses of psychometric testing ;

http://www.psychometricadvantage.co.uk/

and one for your own amusement, free from the above website ;

http://www.personality100.com/page/partner.xml?partnerid=a42b28f2cf1&linkid=2

Though I did my testing via an educational psychologist

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RE: Building a Better Teacher - 3/8/2010 3:04:37 PM

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Personally, with our modern advances in psychology and psychometric testing, I believe part of school should be testing as to find out where a person's natural skills lie, testing to be done over a period of years to account for growing up.

I would think this idea belongs to a fantasy world of social engineering (vs. natural processes). We find many examples from the futuristic fiction for this. Some bureaucrat would decide where an individual (lower class individual, the upper classes are immune for this) belongs based on junk science. "Advances in psychology" makes me smile. The advances are mostly related to increased numbers of psychologists. We do not know much more than we understood 100 years ago.

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RE: Building a Better Teacher - 3/8/2010 3:33:39 PM

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And, how do you know we are not already undergoing social engineering ? Surely, there has to be method to all this madness.

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RE: Building a Better Teacher - 3/8/2010 4:16:31 PM

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And, how do you know we are not already undergoing social engineering ? Surely, there has to be method to all this madness.

Certainly we are to some extent. The science of psychology is part of the system: think of all the wonderful science advances like Prozac , Ritalin etc... plus invented diseases like "Attention Deficit Syndrome" and so on. We are being slowly turned into a nation of zombies.

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RE: Building a Better Teacher - 3/8/2010 4:38:34 PM

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Yes, all the maladies, and all the diagnosi, some of which really help those that suffer and those that have through love suffer them, but the medications that are matched to conditions, whether they work or not, they definately help those that research and provide medication, which at the end of the day, is yet another industry and there, obviously, corporate interest and the politicians that serve them, it is all part of our system, what we have as a result of capitalism.

The interest though, where people's health is concerned, capitalism meets the caring professions, perhaps an interesting symbiosis to show caring can be profitable.

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